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Judge Reinstates Java Injunction Against Microsoft

Posted by Roblimo on from the battle-of-the-closed-source-titans dept.

Anonymous Coward writes " New York Times story (free registration required) - the lead paragraph: 'SAN JOSE, Calif. (Reuters) - In the latest chapter in the legal battle between two rival software titans, a federal judge on Tuesday reinstated an order forcing Microsoft Corp. (MSFT.O) to change software based on the Java programming language created by Sun Microsystems Inc.'" And as long as we're talking about Sun, check this Red Herring Story headlined "IBM wants to kick Sun butt." Whoa, baby! They play rough in the big leagues, don't they?

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  1. other stories with no registration required by Barbarian · · Score: 4

    Yahoo: http://dailynews.y ahoo.com/h/nm/20000125/tc/microsoft_sun_2.html
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  2. Auto-generated Code by jamesoutlaw · · Score: 4

    This is probably offtopic, but it is sort of related. Anyway, it is something that I felt like complaining about.

    MS is not the only company that is polluting Java or making it difficult to write code on one platform and deploy it on another... many of the IDE's that I've seen do the same thing. The auto-generated code makes use of classes that "wrap" the base Java stuff, resulting in source code that is only useable by the original IDE. Visual Cafe seems to be one of the worst offenders. A coworker of mine uses VC and she is constantly having problems with the autogenerated code and deployment on Solaris (she does her development on NT). She has had trouble getting applets to run under Solaris or HP-UX, even though they run on NT. The main cause seems to be some proprietary class that Visual Cafe includes. Some of the problems may be a result of her inexperience with Java, but I do not think that is the only reason.

    I use Metrowerks CodeWarrior for Java on NT at work and on MacOS at home... it seems to be one of the best development environments around. I have not had any trouble getting applets or aplications developed in CodeWarrior to run on any of our target platforms. Even when using the RAD tools that generate code for you... the generated code seems a lot cleaner than the code generated by other IDE's. I keep the use of the RAD tools to a minimum, though. I have had less experience with IDEs like NetBeans and Simplicity for Java, however, from what I have seen, they generate pretty clean code as well.

    I guess my main point is that I think its also important for the source code to be as portable as the resulting classes. Building a project in an IDE that ties you to that particular development environment is as bad as Microsoft's pollution of the basic language itself.

    Anyway, sorry for the rambling.

  3. It's not the additions so much as the removals by The+Wookie · · Score: 4


    It's really easy to not use any of Microsoft's extensions. I use Visual J++ as my IDE and generate code that runs beautifully on Solaris because I stay away from Microsoft's extensions.

    Unfortunately, they decided to use a different native method interface, which causes some packages to fail. Also, in their standard distribution, they omitted RMI (like we're all gonna choose DCOM if RMI isn't there). That makes it tougher to write applets and applications that use RMI and run under Microsoft's VM.

    It has gotten worse now because Sun no longer sends MS any Java updates, so the MS Java is pretty much stuck at around JDK 1.1.3. JDK 1.2 runs so much faster, I won't use jview at all to run programs, and I'm about to give up on VJ++.