try67 (and many others) wrote to tell us Mozilla Milestone 13 was made available yesterday. Check the release notes
here. You'll see full builds for Linux, Win32, and Mac OS 8.5. And the source, of course. This is the long-awaited Mozilla Alpha version. Have fun!
Slashdot Mirror
This is the mirror list of ftp.mozilla.org mirrors. I checked the nearest mirror to me, it was up to date; so don't /. the main ftp server :-)
A few quick things despite this thread's age.
Native system widgets CANNOT BE USED FOR A WHOLE LOT OF LAYOUT due to W3C specifications. They are just NOT the right thing for the job. Deal.
Yes the interface on the mac is probably going to suck for a while. Perhaps forever.
**THE USER INTERFACE IS COMPLETELY MUTABLE BY YOU!**
Read the release notes before talking about replacing X11.
Yes it crashes. Yes it's slow. Yes it's NOT DONE YET.
No it doesn't need to be 'pared down like icab'. Icab is icab. Mozilla is mozilla. Learn why they made the technology decisions they did and starting THINKING about the problemspace these products are addressing.
Most previous versions of Netscape had email clients and news readers and stuff.
AOL is probably going to spend around $100,000,000 on mozilla development all said and done. Perhaps MUCH more. You have paid $0.00. Netscape 5 is their product. Mozilla is yours. Bitch accordingly.
Internet Explorer 5's implementations of HTML4, CSS1, XML, and the DOM are broken according to specifications. Mozilla's generally are not.
Mozilla NEVER PROMISED CSS2 and will probably not deliver on it.
Finally, for the severely clue impaired, MOZILLA CODE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NETSCAPE CODE. AT ALL.
Toodles.
-troll taker
(like personal information being tranmitted to web sites)
for those using IE that haven't changed the default settings after they installed or upgraded, you should check under
Internet Options > Advanced
for the settings
Enable Page Hit Counting and Enable Profile Assistant (both are checked by default)
Make sure and right-click to read the "What's This" description and hate M$ all over again. You don't have to hide this stuff in code, just put it under "Advanced" "Security" settings and newbies will steer clear.
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Most notably, and are gibberish to Communicator 5 and will be ignored. The same goes for the Navigator 4 DOM extentions -- if you use document.layers[] in your JavaScript, it will fail. In fact, Communicator 5 will be more similar to IE 4 and IE 5 than to Communicator 4.
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
I think the decision was made simply because throwing all the resources at the browser would have yielded simply too many people working on the core technology, and an impossible to manage project. This way they've split the teams up into sensible chunks working on seperate things. Throwing the other people at the browser/renderer wouldn't really have helped things IMHO.
(I kind of agree though from a user POV, but I know from management experience that they're doing the right thing).
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
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The first cut was a monstrosity because it was simply the snapshot (more or less) of the current Communicator code with some minor changes. We all know Communicator is enormous.
The second cut was a total rewrite; basically what you see today. The key improvement here, besides the fact that it was a total rewrite, is that the HTML rendering engine is FAR more efficient and handles all the standards properly as per specifications (you can't say that about Communicator, IE or Opera!)
The rendering engine (Gecko) is more or less completed; they are still tweaking and adding minor features to it, but without a program to wrap around the engine, what's the point? Now what you're seeing is the addition of a mailer, news reader, preferences, history, etc. etc, eg. all the other crap that makes a modern web browser. Yes, this stuff is going to add to the code size, but the most important part of Mozilla is that the HTML rendering engine is quite good and very efficient.
Now only if I can get this release to build on Solaris... ;-)
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Never hit your grandmother with a shovel, for it leaves a bad impression on her mind...
make sure you DELETE your OLD PREFERENCES!!!! I can't stress enough how many weird problems crop up because you have out of date mozilla preferences lying aroung. If you are using linux, do an rm -rf ~/.mozilla. If you are under windows, I don't know what you should do. Mozilla is a constantly evolving project, and the preferences are constantly changing.