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Better Holographic Data Storage

Pinlighter writes "Optical holographic data storage has the potential of providing better storage densities and access rates than the magnetic media used today. However, the technology has problems, mostly because the information tends to get a bit scrambled each time it is reread. According to the link, a group of Japanese scientists have now developed a material which is stable for hours and across multiple rereadings. The material also allows easy erasure (by UV light) and rewriting."

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  1. Is the continuous nature of holograms a problem? by Telcontar · · Score: 2

    I am no expert at this, but maybe the continuous, analog nature of holograms causes a problem here?
    If you have a holographic picture, we usually have smooth surfaces; if you view a program as a picture, it looks (more or less) like randomly set pixels. Having a 3D representation is only going to make things worse.
    Of course the goal is to increase the precision of the holograms, which will solve this problem; but unlike transistors, holograms do not have the kind of inherent "noise immunity" that silicon memory chips have. There is still a long way until we have data crystals à la Babylon 5.

  2. Re:Shocked and Abhorred by Yarn · · Score: 2

    it currently seems to have more in common with the B5 data crystal things. imo of course :)

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  3. Prototype tech by steelwraith · · Score: 2
    Well, they figured out another step on the path, BUT:

    The materials they're talking about are hideously expensive to manufacture.. and I doubt their set-up is very fast at this point. I also have to wonder if they've started testing what normal electron flow, or thermal effects, to the material would cause in the way of intereference.

    But they are starting to use angled beams to layer information, which should make the overall construct small, so possibly feasable to systems needing huge storage capacity.. at least short term capacity.. I also have to wonder if the beam disturbs areas that it's just 'passing through' and not trying to read.. in that case I hope the IRS adpots this technology in the near future.. I can just imagine what wholesale data degredation would cause some 'interesting' activity..

  4. Re:Is the continuous nature of holograms a problem by Yarn · · Score: 2

    Until you get down to about 10^-7m you can consider everything analogue. Memories have a continually varying number of electrons held in a capacitor. Its the thresholding of the charge that defines a 0 or a 1.

    You can do the same with holograms, "if the reflected intensity is >0.7 (relative intensity) its a 1, if its .3 its a 0".

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  5. Magnetic Core by Roger_Wilco · · Score: 2
    IEEE's Spectrum magazine, which appears to not be online (!), has an article in the Feb. 2000 issue about using magnetic RAM — just when the reason it's called a "core dump" was fading into the distant past :')

    Apparently these new iron memories would change in one clock cycle, but would then hold the state. (I can't recall the exact details of how it works, it was too late when I read it last night.) I got the impression that it could be used like EEPROM or flash-EEPROM, except sufficiently fast and inexpensive to be used for main memory.

  6. Why is Holographic storage good? by PG13 · · Score: 2

    So I am a little confused. It appears holographic storage merely uses a material that has optical memory properties (the electrons move to the light) to record a hologram on. So what is the benifit of holographic storage.

    It would appear you could get just as high an information density using lasers not in any holographic projection system. So what is the benifit of holographic storage.

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    1. Re:Why is Holographic storage good? by sloth+jr · · Score: 2
      Because in a CD-ROM, you'd read a pit. One-bit value. In holographic storage, that same little area that had one-bit could actually store (picking a magical number out of thin air) 32-bits, simply by adjusting the angle of read.

      Has the potential for enormous increases in storage capacity. I thought most of this was clear in the article.

    2. Re:Why is Holographic storage good? by Daeslin · · Score: 3

      I wrote a paper on this way back in college, so this is coming mostly from memory (mine, not holographic), but here's some of the hightlights that excited me:

      1) Massive increases in storable data. I believe the example given was the contents of the entire library of congress on a 10 cm/side cube of data.

      2) Near ram access times. I believe the actual figure is something like 100 and some odd nanoseconds.

      3) AI like ability to perform similarity matches. Not only can you shine a reference beam in and get the data, you can also project the data in and get an echo of similar data elements reference beams. Hence, you could shine in a bitmap, and get back the indices (echos of reference beams actually) of the closest matching chuncks of data in storage. The closest matches produce the strongest echos. I believe the U.S. Army was investigating using this to spot tanks via video cameras. The applications are endless. You've forgotten the name of a song, merely hum a couple of bars into a mic, convert it to wave, submit it and find out that it's similar to a chunck of "Stairway to Heaven".

      4) Potentially cheap once all the manufacturing is worked out.

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  7. Lithium Niobate - Not the way to go by MetricT · · Score: 2

    I did undergraduate research on iron-doped lithium niobate. While LiNb03 *could* be used to store data holographically, organic polymers do a much better job at lower cost.

    LiNb03 is fragile (it's a crystal, drop it and your data's dead) and very expensive to produce. The crystals are grown using the same? process as silicon but has a much more complex crystal structure and is much harder to produce consistent crystals of good quality). A crystal about 5 cm x 5 cm x 1 mm cost several hundred dollars.

  8. Jello RAM by demaria · · Score: 4

    Here's a project that some people are working on up here at Syracuse University.

    Jello RAM. :-) Okay, not exactly, but it's fun to call it that. A very small rectangular cube (about 0.5" by 0.5" by 1.5" or so) is filled with a protein substance suspended in a solution. It is primed by hitting the substance with a laser, and it denatures the protein. Then, a laser is shot through on an X plane, and a different laser hits on certain points on the Y plane. The protein is denatured where the two meet. This substance is a three dimensional memory system. You read back by a similar method, but with a lower power laser beam. The laser doesn't pass through the points that are denatured, and produces a grid of binary numbers essentially. Of course, the protein cube requires no power, so it's perserved when off. Imagine being able to take the ram out of one machine and put it in a different machine, without changing the contents.

    These small cubes can hold about 4 gigabytes of data, and last price I heard was $20 (the cubes are practically nothing. They're cheap to make. It's the read/write equipment that costs a bunch). It has decent access speeds, cheap, and very small.

    This is all very experimental lab stuff right now, so the size and speed can change. The goal is to make very cheap, small, random access memory. Might be good to replace tape drives. It's several years off though, but money keeps coming in and development continues. Should be nice stuff, keep on the lookout for it.

    I saw development stuff in use a year ago when touring that laboratory, so I reserve the right to be incorrect or inaccurate with some of the statements in this post. :-)

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  9. Re:yeah, I'd love to run my computer on that stuff by demaria · · Score: 2

    No, it is rewritable.

    Perhaps denatured isn't an accurate description. I'm not exactly sure of the specifics as I can't remember, but it does involve either a specific protein or organic creature (bacterial maybe).

    Whatever it is, the substance is rewritable and in a sealed container. Degradation is a valid concern, I don't know the status of that.

    Mike DeMaria

  10. Holo storage has been around for a LONG time by Dirtside · · Score: 2

    I remember reading an article in the New York times around ten years ago, talking about how holographic storage was going go be the Next Big Thing. They talked about 1-cm cubes holding a gigabyte (GASP!) of storage. Of course, this was when a 65 MB 5-1/4" hard drive was large. Hopefully we'll eventually see some actual holo storage technology in common use... eventually. I'd hate for this technology to become yet another of those things we always hear about but never get to have.

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  11. 3D data storage by nahtanoj · · Score: 2

    I have recently written a paper on this area for a photonics course. The inherent problems of 3D data storage are numerous to say the least. The only way currently to write the data is by way of laser, which also creates a problem of cross talk between the layers of the lattice structure of the recording medium. There is currently research being performed to eliminate this problem by utilising a dual-laser writing technique that would create only constructive interference at the position of recording.

    The other major problem is the type of laser used. A pulse laser writes and retrieves data faster, yet is known to damage the recording medium. The solution is to use a high-powered contiuous-wave laser, which is being looked into.

    The real decider in whether holographic memory is whether or not a certain compression of data can be reached. Off the top of my head I think it is somewhere around 10 megabits of data per square cm. Last I knew, I believe it was somewhere near 1 megabit per square cm. This is a really facinating topic, and I encourage all to look into it for themselves.

    Ciao.
    nahtanoj

  12. Photochromic storage again? by Animats · · Score: 2
    Photochromic storage has been around for a long time, and it still seems to have most of the problems it did in the 1960s, like slow writing rates and data slowly fading out. The write operation is a chemical reaction, so this is an inherently slow technology. Sounds like a marginal idea.

    Volumetric storage, where data is stored all through the volume rather than just on the surface, is a obvious idea that's been tried a few times but has never really worked. DVDs have a little of this, with several layers accessed by adjustable focusing. The coincident-beam laser scheme is attractive in theory, but requires beam-steering, which is mechanically messy. Still, mechanically messy concepts have been turned into mass-market technology before; look at the innards of a VCR.

    Stable, write-once volumetric storage might be useful as a backup and distribution medium. That may be a more promising direction than something that degrades with time.

    Corning Glass once built a computer display device using a photochromic plate for image storage. The plate was written with a UV CRT, erased with a bank of IR lamps, and read with a green light. It looked like a microfilm viewer, with rear projection. A few units were built and the idea dropped. This is one of the few products, other than photosensitive sunglasses, ever to use photochromic technology.

  13. Re:Government Interferance? by Danh · · Score: 2
    I make a PhD at ETHZ on this field. I don't think the NSA is worried about holographic storage, because it is still in research stage (what you have on the optical table is worth 100,000$) and because the storage densities won't be much higher than in HDs or in CD like media.

    But one thing you can do very efficiently with photorefractive crystals is comparing images (at some Terabit/s). This is because to calculate the correlation of two images (which tells you if two images are similar or where a smaller image is located in an image) you need fourier transform the images. Optically you can do a Fourier transformation very efficiently simply with a lens (in 10^-10 s = 100 ps): at the focus of the lens you have the Fourier transformation of the image and the time you need is just the time the light has to cover the distance of a few centimeters. A good image comparing system can be useful for military applications (guided missiles), security checking (fingerprints, face and voice recognition), person tracking, internet traffic filtering,... All dreams for the NSA, horror for me!