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RealNames Customer Data Stolen

Sc00ter writes "C|Net News reports 'RealNames, a company that substitutes complicated Web addresses with simple keywords, is warning its users that its customer database has been hacked, and that user credit card numbers and passwords may have been accessed.' Complete story here." Remember when NSI teamed up with Centraal, the creators of RealNames?

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  1. How to fix this problem by willey · · Score: 3

    The way to fix this problem, quite simply, is to never store the credit card numbers on a public server, or for that matter, any machine that is connected to the net. Before anyone whines that this is too hard to do, let me tell you -- I do things this way.

    There are a number of other bonehead things that many e-commerce sites to that are IMHO grossly negligent. The big ones:

    • home page is unnecessarily on a machine that has scripts or cgi enabled -- strip down Apache or use 'publicfile', a secure static content server
    • web server does double duty as FTP server, email server, name server, godknowswhatelse
    • failure to keep up with security patches

    Security: It's not that hard.


    Mark
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  2. The perpetrator by Now15 · · Score: 3
    "The perpetrator was able to access customer records, credit card numbers and passwords. But Teare said there was no evidence that any credit card numbers have been used."

    "The perpetrator was able to access a stolen copy of Windows 2000 server. But Gates said there was no evidence that this criminal has actually installed it on his machine and fiddled around with the menu font"

    "The perpetrator stole a BMW from some old couple up in the hills. But Jones said there was no evidence the car had been used to do wheelies, or pick up chicks."

    "The perpetrator was able to get his hands on a very large amount of stolen hankerchiefs. But Smith said there was no evidence the hankerchiefs weren't sold at a ridiculously low price to a bargain basement store out in the suburbs."

    "The perpetrator was able to install Linux on his computer. But Linus said there was no evidence he has read slashdot."

    "The perpetrator was able to access customer records, credit card numbers and passwords. But Teare said there was no evidence that any credit card numbers have been used."

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  3. Re:Recent Security Attacks... by arivanov · · Score: 3
    Are all these attacks recently somehow related?

    Yes, they are related by the fact that:

    • Lots of companies have jumped on the Internet bandwagon without understanding what they deal with
    • Lots of companies who have been around for a while have grown to the point of "let's make exclusive agreements, long live marketing"
    As a result of both of these there is a lot of sites whose security is at best "relaxed". Worst of all some companies who used to deploy high quality equipment and personnel are dropping to inferior stuff due to the inability to maintain the quality in sight of quantity or even worse due to "exclusive marketing agreements". So the result is lots of dots (in guess which domain).
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  4. Dumb of them to have them but... by Merk · · Score: 2

    I know why they'd have credit cards online. How do you reconcile these three requirements:

    1. The site must be easy to use, and you want people to come back, so you want them to have their profiles stored and not require them to enter their credit cards each time.
    2. The web server (or applications server as the case may be) needs to know their credit card number so it can arrange payment for the order.
    3. The site must be secure so that nobody can get at people's personal info, esp. credit cards.

    I was recently hit with this problem... and didn't find a solution that was secure enough, so we're ditching 2 and doing that seperately.

  5. Re:Recent Security Attacks... by voop · · Score: 3

    Are all these attacks recently somehow related?

    ....well, damm good question, I'll say yes. Not necessarilly because they're committed by the same group of people. But because they are DUE TO the same group of people. Yes, I am of course talking about the group of people, commonly known as "system administrators", "network administrators", the "IS-department" etc.

    Without casting blame on anyone, my general experience from all too many years as an independant consultant is, that most of the people in charge of managing security at various sites know next to nothing (if even that much) about what they are doing and what they are up against. I've seen horrifying examples from within the financial sector as well as the public health sector, which makes me everything but surprised when security is violated or sites taken down (sites being used in a more general term than "www-servers").

    It's probably not the network administrators who are to blame either - it's their managers and organization who are often clueless as to what is required and therefore hire the first the best guy who can spell "Windows NT" without making too many mistakes. Being a bit harsh - I know - but these days people are hired on "vendor certificates" (as in MCP and CNE) rather than generic skills - for example within networking or computers in general. Having completed a "vendor certification program", one surely must know the products one has been certified for. But that's (unfortunately) no guarantee that the person has the knowledge required to manage a network.

    As an example I've time and time again been surprised to see the amount of "MCP's" (and those "microsoft certified engineers" or what their title be), who had superiour skills when it came to managing their NT-boxes - but for whom solving even the simplest networking problems was impossible. Most people who've grown up with computers are very familiar with tools such as ping, traceroute, tcpdump and friends and know some of the working of the commonly used protocol stacks - and most of those new-born administrators are barely familiar enough with networks to know what an IP-address is.

    I know it is difficult to find people with good qualifications. I've been looking for some for clients for the past 2 years with little luck. Most applicants put up a blank face when presented with technical questions that goes beyond "point-and-klick". Yet they still get jobs in different companies....

    So yeah, I am not surprised....and yeah, those attacks are somehow related...

    Just my $0.02

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  6. The fragility of our information age by RNG · · Score: 2

    Hmm ... it seems that not a day goes by without some sort of hacking/DOS incident making the news. Given the somewhat crazy valuation of internet/e-commerce companies, one must wonder how stable the current boom is. Most of these companies don't have much in terms of sales revenue or profit (especially when compared to the traditional brick and mortar business companies), so their valuation (and to some degree their success) depends on the image they evoke. As such, their valuation is really determined by the public believing the great future these companies hope for. How much would it take to shake this confidence? Is 1 incident a day enough to make Joe Public loose confidence? Because once that happens, they money that has been pumped into the .coms might just evaporate very quickly ...

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  8. www.rsa.com Cracked! by Cy+Guy · · Score: 2

    Potentially the most worrisome (at least to the general public), but least covered in the press of the recent cracker attacks against major websites, early Sunday crackers managed to replace the main page of www.rsa.com with their own message.

    Here is the Newsbytes story.

  9. Mark this post UP by cmuncey · · Score: 2
    Already some around here are making the 'well, OS Brand X is more secure than OS Brand Y' kind of statment. This poster is saying something that many of us know, but for some reason many commerce sites have not caught on to ...

    it does not matter how secure the OS is if you set it up and administer it insecurely

    Moving the database to a secure machine that is not accessible from the internet (as well as the other measures this poster lists) is a minimum precaution. True, you have to actually know something about communicating with a DBMS and more than HTML and the server scripting language of your choice. But this is not amateur hour anymore -- not when you are handling live financial information.

  10. Their Customers Should Sue Them by Greyfox · · Score: 2
    Keeping credit card data in the database is nothing short of gross negligence. We're going to see a lot of lawsuits over security practises now that the internet's gone commercial, and we're going to start finding how how piss poor most security is. This is going to start the trend -- release the hounds!

    In this case, a class action lawsuit is a surefire winner. There's no reason those bozos had to store credit card data in the database.

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  11. Security by shabble · · Score: 2
    "We've added further security over the last 48 hours," Teare said.

    Hmm - I'm just wondering why this 'further' security wasn't in place to start with.
    1. Re:Security by 348 · · Score: 2

      Seems like only "Face saving" efforts to me. The usual spin put on after blatant failure. In this case, I really think they were just unlucky that they got hit. With the lax effort put forth on most dot com's when it comes to security, I think their practices are the rule rather than the exception. With all the press the DoS and other attacks in the news recently, maybe the positive path is that companies will take a more serious attitude towards information security post the knee jerk period and really firm up defenses for the long haul.

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  12. Re:Recent Security Attacks... by Idrach · · Score: 2

    I suppose, in once sense, that the recent database hacks are all related - people so keen to get their wonderful site onto the net that they forget (aka are too lazy) to worry about basic database security.

    You can secure (effectively, not absolutely) a database: there are plenty of architectures, secure SQL gateways available. Even a firewall will help, if you can be bothered to set it up properly.

    Is this incident linked to the recent DDoS attacks? I doubt it. Cracking a database requires a more skill than launching a readily available attack tool.

    Is e-commerce secure? Probably not, but then neither is ordering over the telephone or letting somebody take your credit card out of your sight. Remember the Dilbert with the waitress and the fur coat?