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Wireless Broadband Getting Closer

robertth writes "Wireless broadband is coming to offices and homes using a two-way point-to-multipoint implementation of the cable industry's DOCSIS platform. See the Broadband Week story ." This technology offers an interesting possibility: Building a cable modem-speed infrastructure without getting into the right-of-way hassles that have led to our current local cable TV (hence cable modem) monopolies - and may also offer a rapid way to bring Internet (and telephone, with voice over IP) service to remote areas.

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  1. who cares? (pissed off grumpy rant) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fine, get your wireless broadband, ill still be stuck with 56k .... my damn state/town (ri,usa) has notihng, no cable modems, no dsl, no isdn, nothing at all, we have one cable provider and its only for cable tv.... im sick of my stupid state, i want to move damnit.... what sucks more is, about 5 mins away is mass (swansea), they have Cox as their cable provider, and cable modems..... 5 friggen mins away, but they cant cross the damn state boarder to give me cable? argh i hate all of you, die die die ::cries::

    (this rant is by MrP-, posted a/c... you aint takin' my karma away!)

    1. Re:who cares? (pissed off grumpy rant) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get someone with a cable modem over there, plug in a 10baseT 10baseFL (fiber optic) converter, plug another converter in to your computer and get a really really long piece of fiber cable! Some of the converters can do 20,000 meters but trying to string the wire might get you in trouble.

    2. Re:who cares? (pissed off grumpy rant) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's one for you -- my folks live in a medium-sized city in southern California, and have no access to DSL or cable modem, and are stuck with a maximum dial-up speed of 26.4 kbps. Needless to say, I don't visit them very often...

    3. Re:who cares? (pissed off grumpy rant) by james_shoemaker · · Score: 1

      ///////////////////////////
      Sorry about that. My in-laws were like you television-wise until they got a satellite dish. But they are worse off with the modem... their local phone service is so old and slow that they can't even connect at 56k! Can you imagine?
      ///////////////////////////
      Can I imagine, easily. I have one phone line that tops out at 26.4K and one that tops out at 19.2K (one line is a full mile longer than the other). Wireless service is my ONLY possible answer for broadband at a reasonable price, 3 doors down I have a neighbor with ISDN, it cost her $4500 to install and $650/month connect. She wouldn't be paying it, but she is consulting with the phone company and they cover it.

    4. Re:who cares? (pissed off grumpy rant) by pcbob · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that sux. But it also sux when one is waiting for DSL to come ten more meters....
      #$%^%

    5. Re:who cares? (pissed off grumpy rant) by link2NULL · · Score: 1

      Sorry about that. My in-laws were like you television-wise until they got a satellite dish. But they are worse off with the modem... their local phone service is so old and slow that they can't even connect at 56k! Can you imagine?

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    1. Re:First nude post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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      Three people where I work have their necks on the chopping block (their computers are gone) for downloading masses of porn last week. Images like this can cause problems in a workplace where both genders work. I enjoy reading technical forums, but I can do without being the subject of a witch hunt when nude images are found.

    3. Re:First nude post by fReNeTiK · · Score: 1
      First nude post (Score:1, Interesting)


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    1. Re:Lorem ipsum by esperandus · · Score: 1

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  4. You crashed babelfish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does this mean? Is it a curse?

    1. Re:You crashed babelfish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks suspiciously like what the publishing industry uses to show layout. My mate has a program on his RiscPC that generates random latin, looks enough like english to give you an idea of layout without having any real content to distract. Always begins with that first line.

  5. Exactly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you imaging waisting bandwidth for playing games and downloading porno. The only good reason for wireless might be for people in rural areas who still have to rely on phone lines to connect, and at slow speeds compared to us city dwellers that now have DSL. Consider that rural homes weren't able to watch cable TV, then the satellite dishes came along. However, we should be focusing on getting wired out there instead, and it would be worth it now with broadband technology. The U.S. needs another project like the old rural electrification project.

    1. Re:Exactly! by sallen · · Score: 1

      I agree with you there. the old rural electricification put lights on in the stick. And as one with a plot of land in the middle of nowhere, I'm all for wiring it up, or even the wireless! (Uh, and no, the REA didn't get that far there, as there's no electricity there either, but at least THAT I can take care of, good old sun, wind, and new fangled fuel cells.) I'll build soon as I can take the computers along, so I can still pay the bills!

  6. fiber a reality?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.whnet.com/new.html says a trial program in Palo Alto has 10 MB/sec (probably megabit/sec) for $90 and 100 MB/sec for $170. (the link looks down now) Not bad but looks priced a little more toward the business end.

  7. we need something else besides DOCSIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the countless reasons DOCSIS should be replaced with something non-proprietary.

  8. Damn it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't work.... Oh well... Copy and paste it in a text editor of your choice.

  9. Stringing wire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, that's a funny idea. But I know some people whose street was being repaved and the night before they went out and buried cable under the gravel so they could network their houses together!

  10. (No Subject) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like everyone cares alot about this. Nude pics, the trolls, etc... Anyway, slightly on topic. I have giving up on broadband. They ( Ameritech ) told me it ( DSL ) would be avaiable in 6 months. This is what they told me a year and a half ago. Then 6 months ago, they said another year. Now they are saying about another year and a half. Nice job Ameritech... Bunch of losers.

  11. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need this for people like me... I live out in Bumfuck Egypt... with my sorry ass 56k modem, that connects and 26.4k(on a good day) no chance for ever seeing a cable modem/ISDN/DSL/anything near the speed of all you other bastards

  12. Re:BELL SOUTH IS DRAGGING THEIR HEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DOWN WITH BELLSOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOSERS.

  13. Re:BELL SOUTH IS DRAGGING THEIR HEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same problem, they suck BAD. Cary NC Bellsouth needs to get their heads out of their asses.

  14. Re:BELL SOUTH IS DRAGGING THEIR HEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There must be something we can do to end this shit. Anyone know if we can sue Bell South for this Dark Age service? prob not, what about a petition, or a news story? Bell South are a bunch of damn liars.

  15. end of trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its getting very bad, there are more trolls than moderators.. now troll posts arent going down, and good posts arent going up, i have my view mode or whatever set to +2 and because trolls took over +1, but now there are some good posts in +1 but i cant see them... the only way I see to fix this is to disable anonymous cowards, and kill every login made within the last 2 months, and then only let us old members post, forget everyone else. yeah this sounds crazy, but if it doesnt happen we'll be trolled to death.... and you cant just kill A/C cause people will just make a hotmail account and a login name to troll... this has got to stop, im leaving slashdot, ill come back next month, maybe it will be fixed.

    1. Re:end of trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      posted by an anonymous coward?

    2. Re:end of trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound unhappy. perhaps you need a hot bowl of grits down your pants to cheer you up. thank you.

  16. Re:BELL SOUTH IS DRAGGING THEIR HEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want ADSL and I'm sick of Bell South's LIES. I WANT IT NOW. RIGHT NOW.

    DIE Bell South.

  17. Re:Thoughts on Multiple Postings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you were dumb enough to reply

  18. What about DNS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you notice joker.com makes you provide your own nameservers... What about people just wanting to park a name and who don't have a web host yet? I won't belabor the point... but you should read between the lines.

  19. Competition or monopoly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As one of the sorry wretched that suffer tawdry service and rapacious pricing under the one telco/one ISP regime {56k hahaha -I lose connect about every 15 minutes- on 3 different phone lines, 5 different modems}, I need to insist that broadband wireless become a player. If competition doesn't come to the rural areas, we'll all suffer- I'm a market, I'm a collaborator, and I am representative of 3/4 of the world. Not a market or resource to be ignored. I'm sure that many would like to compete for the radio spectrum-but it's a natural resource licensed by the public's government-we did form that damn thing to provide some equity in this world. No-one reading this is the biggest dog, we all enjoy some benefits of the public commons. Offering bandwidth to rural consumers to let them enjoy what urban DSL/Cable/LAN consumers have recently acquired seems fair to me. I'll pay real money, btw, that's not the root of this issue-it's having any competitive access.

  20. Re:Wantweb.net Microwave range wireless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I feel that some sort of wireless connection is the future for many people" doubtful, unless your talking about small in-house lans. not everyone has a handy dandy mountain nearby for convienient antenna location. in fact very few people do

  21. Re:Yoou can keep et! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I mean, come on, what harm could high-speed vibrations in the air do, really?"

    sound waves are not the same as electromagnetic waves.

  22. wireless broadband is good for rural usa (CCIE) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Broadband wireless PoPs would be swell.

    Fiber will never make it out to rural america. Cable companies in rural areas are generally ass backward. They serve larger cities first and hardly at all anyway. DSL is impractical because of the distances of rural living. DirecPC is a joke.
    Plunk down some broadband PoPs and let the airwaves carry the bandwidth. Offer cell phone service while you're at it to get some added cache$.

    While I'm here. Any people got there CCIE cert? Best method to do this.

    phat_code@yahoo.com

  23. Re:What a waste! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you guys think it's a bloody waste eh? I live in freakin' Austin, supposed to be one of the high tech capitals of the US....sure it has a lot of big companies, but where's the broadband? They have cable access almost anywhere (if they can get a Warner cable hookup, xDSL if you have a SWB phone line, and the connection is clean....but I live in an apartment that has both phone and cable hooked up by some company that filed for Chap11 last Halloween, and all their services are landlocked.....SWB can run a line, but it'll cost an arm and a leg for just the line, then the DSL on top of that...but Warenr cannot run cable over at all. Now here's the biggie....Austin has a few wireless broadband companies. they've been around for 2 years or so. 3Mbps (htat's megabitpersecond for thsoe of you who don't know how to use caps when describing bandwidth proper), symmetrical, both freakin ways....and secure! Howeve I just happen to live in a place that seems oh so conveniently outside their service area, me and about 3,000 other college kids that have to use their modems (connect max at 28.8 cuz hte lines are so noisy) and fight being disconnected cuz hte liens are so heavily multiplexed. It's a big market that corner of the world, the co I talked to last August said they'd have something there in a few months.....but nothing yet. YOu people want to run cable (phone/tv/fiber)...that costs a lot and takes too much time....putting up a relay tower for wireless, well that takes an eyesore, it takes zoning laws, it takes a small company to block cuz htey want a monopoly. If telephone and cable monopolies hadn't been banned a few years ago, I'd have an always on broadband connection, isntead of something that won't stay connected if it ever does connect, and is slower than whatever. Wireless would be the easiest solution, but the company takes forever, how come there's a cell phpone tower popping up on a different street corner everyday? guess that's the diff between a huge ever growing/ripping people off cell phone company, and a small startup that puts the tower on the wrong side of I-35 to get any money....

  24. Lucky you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish I could get 26.4.

  25. Re:What a waste! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Sure it may be a waste, but it's not like the people that own the fibre or copper are interested in providing decent bandwidth.

    I live in the city of Boston, I know there's copper and fibre under our streets but I pay through the nose for 384K/128K DSL service. I have cable TV service that was first offered in the '80s using second hand '70s technology that still hasn't been updated. The service is terrible, I pay to much for it, and they aren't even thinking about net access. A few years ago they changed their logo and added the word "Optimum" to their name, product was the same only it cost more.

    I'd gladly welcome wireless bandwidth that gave me more for less and challenged the current money grubbing bandwidth cartel.

  26. Re:Totally Unnecessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You only need one line if the exchange carrier uses hdsl-2 to carry the T1 payload.

  27. old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I live totally off the grid (no phone, solar panels) and have had an aironet wireless ethernet bridge for only the last four months.

    Works like a champ. I'm about sixteen miles from the repeater so I'm limited to 2mbits/second. The big limiter is the upstream link from my ISP is only a T-1. Supposedly there is some deal to fix that, but I won't hold my breath.

  28. Systems that work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Have a look at AB-Access, currently on UNI-II but MMDS in the near future. I have seen it working and I like it... They have about $500 million in signed contracts.

    See

    http://www.adapti vebroadband.com/datasheets/AB-Access_UNII_v2.pdf

    http://www.gofuzion.com/broadband _information.htm

    Ps there is linux somewhere in there :-)

  29. Low cost wireless network how-to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For those intrested, there is a how-to on building your own wireless network at http://www.qsl.net/~n9zia

  30. Not a waste at all by Brian+Knotts · · Score: 2
    Some of us will *never* get broadband without wireless. I need this now!

    You forget that not everyone lives in an area served by numerous connectivity options.

    New XFMail home page

  31. Re:no broadband in NYC by kip3f · · Score: 1

    What about Road Runner?
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  32. Re:Why? by Shorty · · Score: 1

    It can happen. I set up a similar system (the
    first wireless MMDS Internet outside of the US)
    in Lagos, Nigeria this past year. This year it
    will roll out in Abuja, Port Harcourt, and
    Enugu.

    If the market is there, this technology will come.
    I'm already talking to people in Kenya, Mauritius,
    and Venezuela about setting up similar systems.

    http://www.hybrid.com/ - These guys made the first
    reliable (non-DOCSYS) MMDS Internet system. It has
    it's faults and it's annoyances, but it's the only
    proven platform out there right now. Hey- it's
    head end equipment runs FreeBSD, so you've got to
    love it.. :-)

    Anyone out there who wants more information about
    offering wireless high-speed broadband Internet
    services send me an email.

    Robbie
    robbie@shorty.com

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  33. Say What? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2
    the spectrum is infinite in both directions

    Huh? There is 10 KHz of bandwidth between 10 KHz and 0 KHz. There is room for expansion in the high-frequency direction only if you consider the propogation characteristics. When you get really high in frequency the atmosphere becomes more opaque. All of the frequencies we are talking about here are line-of-sight only.

    Bruce

    1. Re:Say What? by db48x · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as 0 Hz. Think about it, a Hertz is one cycle per second, so zero Hz is the same as 0 cycles in one second, or 0/1. The wavelength (lambda) of such a wave would therefore be v/f (v=lambda*f). Since the speed of propagation of an electromagnetic wave is 300000000m/s (we're assuming that we're transmitting through a vacuum), we get 300000000/(0/1) = 300000000 / 0 = undefined, and so we can see that 0 Hz isn't possible. Instead, we approach 0 asymptotically, such that a wave with a frequency of 1Hz has a wavelength of x, a wave with a frequency of 2 has a wavelength of .5*x, and a wave with a frequency of .5 Hz has a wavelength of 2*x.

      Yes, I realize that as you get higher frequencies, you get more and more line of sight only. This isn't a bad thing, however, as this is what makes the whole system work. Sure, low frequencies are great for a point to point link because it can travel great distances easily (think AM radio, I live in Florida and can occasionally pick up stuff from across the country), but in a packet switched environment like IP gives us, you don't need that, in fact, it's undesirable because there would be too much interference from other nodes on the network.

      I also realize that to a certain degree (not sure to exactly what degree) higher frequency waves are capable of traveling less distance through air, but as I said, all that is required if you desire greater bandwidth are more receivers, or more powerful ones.

    2. Re:Say What? by Mister+Attack · · Score: 2
      I also realize that to a certain degree (not sure to exactly what degree) higher frequency waves are capable of traveling less distance through air, but as I said, all that is required if you desire greater bandwidth are more receivers, or more powerful ones.

      And at some point, when you're trying to increase frequency, you run smack into a wall - the atmosphere is quite opaque to most of the EM spectrum. Only a few small bands (like radio) are at frequencies where the atmosphere is reasonably transparent. The cost of trying to push anything on a frequency where the atmosphere isn't almost completely transparent would be astronomical. Trust me, the spectrum itself may be infinite, but the usable portion of the spectrum is very finite and going fast.
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  34. Re:Why? by Byteme · · Score: 1

    Wireless provides an immediate solution. I live in a rural area on a dirt road. I can connect my 56k at best 33000 on a good day. They say we will not see cable (TV or broadband) for another 10 years. There are many places like this in the US that would benefit from wireless... thats why!

  35. Re:I feel your pain by Byteme · · Score: 1

    Hey... at least it works better in the winter! I live to far for ADSL to be a solution, and the is NO plans for cable in may area until after 2008. Wireless would seem to be a quicker to impliment solution. Whoever said it was a bad idea must own stock in MCI. Oh well.

  36. Interesting use of VODFM technology by Now15 · · Score: 1
    "He cited the new orthogonal-modulation system and the multipath signal-integration technique of the VODFM platform as key differentiators, along with the fact that the system can be implemented on DOCSIS-based circuit cards inserted into Cisco routers."

    IANAS but... This is exciting to hear, because multipath signal-integration has been a goal of many networking developers. I'd like to know how they achieved this without violating the FCC clause 385a (regarding M.S.I. for computer networks), indeed at the speeds they are claiming.

    What I disagree with however is O/M (orthogonal-modulation), which has many obvious problems in this style of implementation. VODFM and O/M can't co-exist as technologies in a single standardized implementation unless a large amount of redundancy (error correction coupled with signal compression) is also added.

    Well that's what I think anyway.

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  37. Wantweb.net Microwave range wireless by Drakino · · Score: 1

    I've been using WantWeb's service since mid 98, and have loved it, as I have enjoyed 30-180k/s downloads longer then most of the people in the area. And it's all done with microwave range transmissions fron an antenna on a mountain several miles away to an antenna on my roof. From there, it has a cable going to my cable modem that has an 10baseT port and a 9 pin serial port for the uplink. The parent company American Telecasting has two way rights from the FCC, they just haven't changed the equipment in my city to support it.

    I feel that some sort of wireless connection is the future for many people.

    1. Re:Wantweb.net Microwave range wireless by cqnn · · Score: 1

      > not everyone has a handy dandy mountain nearby

      Then they can (and do) use tall buildings instead.

      They can also set up repeater towers to
      get the signal beyond/around other obstacles.

      This will not be a universal solution, but it
      is proving to be more viable in areas that
      frankly, Cable and DSL are not interested in
      martketing to right now.

  38. EM spectrum by jabber · · Score: 2

    The EM spectrum is far from infinite, especially if you're interested in the portion that's referred to as RADIO.

    The RF range is relatively narrow, compared to the other sections of EM, but it's characteristics are such that it's very useful. Omnidirectional transmission, and the ability to propagate the signal through solid objects is of great benefit. Unfortunatelly the data carrying capacity of RF is relatively small.

    The amount of data that can be crammed into EM is proportional to the frequency, and if you jack up the freq, you lose the neat properties of RF. You go unidirectional, and you start cooking whatever meat you transmit through. Yes, that's right, the high side of RF is called microwave. Then there's X-ray, gamma radiation.. You really want that beaming your data into your house?

    Along with the adverse effects of high-freq EM comes the energy considerations. It takes a lot of power to push high freq signals, and they tend to dissipate in water vapor, so distance transmissions via air become a problem.

    In order to push a large amount of data through RF you need to spread the signal across sevaral frequencies. These frequencies must be relatively discrete. This improves your thruput, but it fills the medium more quickly, and as far as communication is concerned, air is the wire. Lots of collisions in a spread RF area.

    So, radio is of fantastic use where better options are not available, and for short and bursty traffic, but as far as web-browsing... Man, banner ads alone would kill the airwaves.

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  39. I feel your pain by Camaro · · Score: 1

    I'm in the same situation. I'm on a farm 50 miles from the nearest cable or ADSL internet access (province of Saskatchewan in Canada). Just getting a second line so I don't tie up our phone line when I'm online would cost a fortune! (last I heard it was $800) And similarily to you, on a good day my 56k connects at 36000 and I have to wonder if it'll get worse because it used to regularily connect at 38666. So I say bring on the wireless broadband! SaskTel is usually pretty good about rolling out new technology early (ADSL was in the larger cities two years ago) so I'm hopeful that I'll see this sooner rather than later.

  40. Re:Who cares? by foxtrot · · Score: 1

    It makes more sense to pull fiber?

    Not if I'm the service provider. See, I can cheap-like set you up with wireless now. Then, when the mobile applications need wireless, I can sell them my chunk of the spectrum and use that money to pay for fiber.

    Sure, it's a hassle and a half to the end user and the mobile application provider, but I get to get in the door for cheap and when I need to go fiber, somebody else pays for it!

    Of course, in all seriousness, when you get down to it, _we_ pay it, we being the consumers. If they can start offering broadband cheap over wireless, then that's good for us, too. We only wind up paying for fiber later, instead of now _and_ later.

    -JDF

  41. Re:Thoughts on Multiple Postings by maroberts · · Score: 1

    To this poem I must reply,
    Moderators shoot your cr*p from the sky,
    Surely it is no crime,
    when Anonymous Cowards like you behave like slime,
    when you submit multiple trash,
    we need a moderator to kick your ass,
    if we need to see your puns
    we just set our theshold to -1 (minus wun!)
    Once was a time when Anonymous meant brave and true,
    now most post garbage just like you.

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    Donte Alistair Anderson Roberts - hi son!
    Karma: Chameleon

  42. Re:Thoughts on Multiple Postings (Offtopic) by maroberts · · Score: 1

    Yes, I was dumb enough to reply, but reasonably witty posts, whether you agree or not, deserve a response....

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    Donte Alistair Anderson Roberts - hi son!
    Karma: Chameleon

  43. no broadband in NYC by Evro · · Score: 2
    My home's in Queens, about 10 miles from Manhattan -- and there is no broadband there! Supposedly Time Warner will have cable modem eventually, and BA is promising DSL, but this is already several months old. I just tried searching again, here's what it said (and has said for at least the past six months)
    We're sorry. Infospeed DSL is not available in your area at this time. The good news is that it should be available in your area in the next six months. If you'd like us to contact you when your number qualifies for Infospeed DSL, click here to be placed on our notification list. We will only contact you if Infospeed DSL becomes available to you.
    Note: In some cases, Infospeed DSL may become available in an area, but not be available to your home due to technical limitations. The technology is improving rapidly, so if you are affected by this situation, we will keep your name on our list and notify you if Infospeed DSL becomes available to you.


    This is not some boondocky place, this is within the New York City limits!!! Now I don't know if wireless is the solution to this problem, but the assumption that everybody has access to DSL or Cable is wrong.
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    1. Re:no broadband in NYC by Evro · · Score: 2

      hm, well, according to this, we have cable modem now (little neck), so I guess I was wrong about near my house, but look down by hillside and springfield gardens -- spring of next year. So the point is still somewhat valid... lots of people don't have it yet. Even parts of Manhattan still don't have it.
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    2. Re:no broadband in NYC by HalJohnson · · Score: 1

      Have you checked Flashcom? I know a few people in the bronx that have xDSL access from them, and the price isn't bad.

      Hope this helps.

  44. Re:Why? by fReNeTiK · · Score: 1

    Spread the meme indeed! Very interesting... and scary.

    Thanks for the link.

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  45. Re:Who cares? by voop · · Score: 2

    Who Cares? It's in the 5Ghz+ band. That is useless spectrum for anything but line of sight things like this. The more access options the better!

    Well, I have a past (and to some extend present) in ham-radio (amateur radio). At a cirtain time a long long time ago the VHF and later UHF-bands were assigned exclusively for ham-usage (at least in my regions) because "those very high frequencies are an useless spectrum for anything"......now, how many services have migrated from the HF-bands and lower to VHF and higher bands?

    History (also from within our own field of computers) should have tought us not to deem anything "useless for anything but " - sooner or later they will become usefull for a lot more than originally envisioned.

    While I agree on "the more access options the better", I also have to agree with those who point out that it makes more sense to pull a fiber to each house and use low-power, local-area wireless lan in-house, than it does to provide a global (or at least nation-wide) wireless system.

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  46. Yoou can keep et! by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1
    That's cool technology and all, but... to me it (wireless/airport) just seems to ruin the geekyness of networking.

    I mean, c'mon, what rocks more than taking the afternoon to lug half a dozen boxes to a central locality, spend an hour getting config info set, wires strung, and systems powered for a LAN fest? Wireless just kills the fun there. I mean, I just love to sit there playing Half-life or Quake 3 and have a large mass of RJ45 cable under my chair because it wasn't economical to cut. Having so much extra slack might hinder bandwidtha little, but so what? It's worth it.

    It just makes sooo much sence to have miles and miles of cable obliterated in turn for excessively high-speed vibrations in our air waves. I mean, come on, what harm could high-speed vibrations in the air do, really? It's not like you'll get sick from it. And you can just use a different frequency if the one you're using is already taken. There are plenty available, and I'm -sure- the FCC is more than willing to allow just about anyone to use them free of charge.

    Hmmm... somehow, that came out sarcastically.

    Oops.

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  47. Re:Why? by Keeper+ofthe+Keys · · Score: 1

    As much as we would all love to have fibre installed to every house and business, at this current time it's just not economical, especially in smaller city centres. While there is fibre running through my area (just outside Hamilton, Ontario) the local loop cost is over $300/month excluding bandwidth (depends on ISP), and that's just for 1meg bandwidth.

    With the telco's, it's over $1000/month just for local loop T1, and business ADSL is $500/month ... just not feasible for only bandwidth.

    There's a provider around here rolling out wireless 2-3meg for well under that, and it includes professional web hosting, etc... They're called WDSL Inc.

  48. Who cares? by cameldrv · · Score: 1

    Who Cares? It's in the 5Ghz+ band. That is useless spectrum for anything but line of sight things like this. The more access options the better!

    1. Re:Who cares? by podvent · · Score: 1

      yeah your right.... The more we have, the better communication we could, *plus* boosted access to the wide spectrum of information.

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  49. For those who complain about wasted spectrum by cameldrv · · Score: 2

    This is not a waste of spectrum. This is 5Ghz+, which only works for line of sight communications. It will not pass through anything. This is above even the microwave band. Therefore, applications like this are really the only way to use such small wavelengths.

  50. It's already here! by Jason+Straight · · Score: 1

    I have 11mbps to my home with lucent wavelan from my ISP (which I am the network engineer for) 5 miles away.

    Someone asked, "why wireless? why not fiber to the home?" Well, no matter what cable/fibre you use you know the telco or the cable or the power company is going to own it, and paying rent and upkeep on all those lines will add to the cost of the service.

    I live in an area with no ISDN even, it would cost me $300 a month to get a T1 from my ISP to the house and about $4k for routers and DSU's etc... this way I spend $300, and no monthly fee. And 11Mbps!

    1. Re:It's already here! by timcuth · · Score: 1

      Jason,

      Is this something anybody can get, or just you?

      Thanks,
      Tim

    2. Re:It's already here! by S_hane · · Score: 1

      This is precisely the scenario our nonprofit ISP (cat.org.au) faces. Tel$tra suck bulk money for some measly 64kbit I$DN and the ongoing cost is just ludicrous. It cost me about a hundred bucks to make some helical aerials (PVC tube formers, copper wire, N-connectors and some 9913 cable) and something like that again for some WaveLan cards, and we'll be getting about 2Mb/s when it goes, for *free*. Just what the greedy corporate fucks who own the bandwidth deserve.

  51. Re:cost by Jason+Straight · · Score: 1

    Not so - this stuff is realativley cheap - cheaper than offering dialup service for up to 11mbps! I am doing it at my ISP, we are small 700 users at a little over a year in business.
    I am actually tempted in an area where T1's for dialup cost $1300 a month to drop dialup and go full wireless.

  52. Telcos hate bandwidth ... by aUser · · Score: 1

    How to become rich easily?
    (1) Get yourself a monopoly on telephone calls; a monopoly on local call will do;
    (2) charge as much as you want for long-distance and international calls.

    Why bring in broadband, if you can make truckloads of easy cash in this way? Further, the internet and large bandwidth will only compete with your cash cows. So, as a telco, prevent large bandwidth at every price!

  53. Why? by cot · · Score: 1

    Why do we need wireless to our homes? Why waste the bandwidth?

    We need fiberoptic to our homes, and small wireless lans (ie Airport) within them. Save the long range wireless for PDAs, laptops, and other needs outside the home.

    It just doesn't make sense in the long run.

    cot

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    1. Re:Why? by mjprobst · · Score: 1
      Maybe not in the long run, but the short run is lots longer than you might realize. I think one great unconsidered market for wireless broadband is rural areas. It's difficult enough to get a high-speed data connection in these areas, but just try running a decent Internet service with the local phone cooperatives in some places.

      Wireless allows an end-run around the traditional connectivity providers, increasing competition and perhaps supplying a long-term solution if the providers of land-based solutions don't get their acts together. Very very useful. In fact, it isn't news that broadband wireless is ready for deployment, many sites have already been deployed in the past few years.

    2. Re:Why? by 7card · · Score: 1

      Because if you live where we do then there will not be dsl for another 5 years, and having 64k of bandwidth with out the hassle of telco is a cool thing.

    3. Re:Why? by Jett · · Score: 1

      it will suck if we have to do this just to defeat the cable monopolies.

    4. Re:Why? by cage_lynx · · Score: 1

      Just think of all the poor people in Alaska or some other remote place...i'd say this technology is worth researching....

  54. cost by paulydavis · · Score: 1

    The isp's in my area were started by dedicated men and women that with a small amount of captial grew thier business into a service that help bring our communiy into the future. BUT...cable is here...can these little guys who tinker in their basement afford the equipment..if they dont.. no big company is going to go near a small rural area..the unsong heros who helped propogate the future might soon be priced out of it.

  55. Re:What a waste! by db48x · · Score: 1

    It isn't really a waste, because the spectrum is essentially infinite. (the only limits are practicality of the equipment, the spectrum is infinite in both directions) Currently there are as many as half a dozen different cellular networks in any given area. These could easily be replaced with a single system that could provide an IP based network with plenty of bandwidth for all the cellular calls, and the regular phone service, in addition to any new services that are developed.

    I think that we should move almost entirely to wireless for a number of reasons. Amongst these are the convenience it would offer, as well as the savings on maintenance. Around here, the slightest rain will cause enough noise on the line to seriously degrade my connection (we're talking 19200 baud here). Cutting out the wires is one way to fix that. (the other is putting in completely new wires for cable modems, something my local cable company has declined to do thus far) Imagine all of the computers in your house are always on the network, even if you decide to pick it up and take it across town on a picnic. Makes wiring PDAs and stuff a whole lot easier as well. My father tells me you can get some very fancy receivers that use superconductor technology to achieve phenomenal results, which means tiny transmitters and vastly extended battery life, so that's essentially a non-issue as well.

  56. What a waste! by Mister+Attack · · Score: 2

    Wireless to people's homes would be a monstrous waste of our precious radio spectrum. We will eventually need every bit of that wireless bandwidth for mobile applications. Why use it on applications for which fiber optics would work just as well, if not better? Yes, the cable companies currently have a stranglehold on the market for broadband to your house (xDSL just isn't there yet for most people). The solution, however, is not to go wasting our radio spectrum on wireless broadband! Lay fiber-optic cables. The initial investment is big, but it will pay off big-time when the rdio spectrum starts filling up and peole want something faster than cable modems.
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    1. Re:What a waste! by jamesl · · Score: 1

      Perspective folks.

      If you had the choice between (a) putting physical cables under all the streets, driveways, sidewalks and rose bushes and (b) mounting a box on a pole and another in every attic, you would choose (b).

      Then figure in the difference in cost and difficulty of upgrades and repairs -- are you still waiting for the cable company to install cable modems in your neighborhood? Again (b)

      In places where there are no phones, no copper wires, certainly no fiber, rf (cellular) is what is being installed.

      Bandwidth, like memory prices, disk size and processor speeds gets better every year. Qualcom (the folks who brought you digital cell phones) is offering digital bandwidths greater than 2.0 megs per user.

      Ultimately, RF will be the winner. Why wait. Lets start now.

  57. same scourge by esperandus · · Score: 1

    translated title

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  58. Already here and good! by CharlieHedlin · · Score: 1

    I currently live in Austin, TX. We have a wide variety of connectivity choice, the best being from a company called NoBell. They offer 3mbps bi-directional connections for aprox. the same price as cable and ADSL.

    I live in a hole in their coverage though. If I ever move I will take their coverage into account. Curently I pay the same for a 2 mbps/200kbps cable modem, with no static IP from a cable company who could care less about me.

    My other option is ADSL, but even living almost downtown my line barely qualifies, so I won't be going any faster than 384/128kbps, too slow.

    I am looking into SDSL from the competing providers, but to get 1.5 mbps (half of the wireless), I am looking at $900 for an unmetered account.

    These microwave frequencies are not usable for portable devices, they require line of sight and a directional antanae. While things may change in the future, the spectrum isn't being completely used up. Lets use these frequencies to make things better for home/office use.

  59. Totally Unnecessary by NatePWIII · · Score: 1

    This is ridiculous. Why waste the precious wireless bandwidth when the copper wire infrastructure is already in place. I mean technically everyone could have a T1 hooked up to their house if the phone companies and ISP's would drop the prices some. The infrastructure is already in place for high bandwidth access. Its just the greedy corporations who are too stingy to provide the service at a reasonable price. All it takes for a T1 as far as the physical line goes it two regular phone lines. In total you would then pay for three phone lines to your house. One for you regular phone and two for the digital (frame relay) signal.
    This solves are bandwidth problem right there. No need for these exotic solutions using satellites or wireless. No need for overkill...


    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson
    NPS Internet Solutions, LLC
    www.npsis.com

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    1. Re:Totally Unnecessary by NatePWIII · · Score: 1

      Don't you get it stupid. $30 = 2 years registration...

      Therefore $15/year.


      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson
      NPS Internet Solutions, LLC
      www.npsis.com

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  60. Wireless Broadband fried my brain by non · · Score: 1

    What happens when I accidently walk through a router stream during a DoS attack?

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    ...vividly encapsulates that post-Watergate/pre-punk/coked-up moment when you could trust no one, least of all yourself.
  61. second! by dspiel · · Score: 0

    h3h3

  62. stop whining by fleckster · · Score: 1

    damit, i'm just happy to finally see broadband coming around and in many more different forms. i live in an area where you're lucky to get 56k performance and the geeks are all day dreaming about Cable and ADSL because we may never get these services before we frikkin die. So there.
    ;-)

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  63. Not so great by Boulder+Geek · · Score: 1
    High frequency radio and homes generally won't mix too well. Even at relatively modest frequencies like 2.4Ghz, the line-of-sight has to be very good. Got a tree between you and the access node? Forget it. Raining? sorry, your data rate is going to go down.

    Where microwave data links are good is linking office buildings across town. This works especially well when you have a couple large buildings that are willing to host your antennas. It might also work ok for apartment buildings. But for residences? Nope.

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  64. Re:Handheld and Microwave by Anomalous+Canard · · Score: 1

    Hmmm. But what if I were carrying uncooked grits in my pockets?
    Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected

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  65. Handheld and Microwave by xtink · · Score: 1

    Have the people that keep shouting that this should be used for handhelds stopped and thought about this? The last thing I would want to do is put a small device emitting microwaves in my pocket. It would be like carrying a small cooking device around on your person. And what about you car keys have you ever seen what happens when you put something metal in a microwave? Now imagine that happening in your pants not to mention that if your going to start irradiating large areas with microwaves your going to end up with a bunch of hairless mutants running around checking stock quotes on there PDA's. (shudder) this may be cool but I don't think it's vary practical

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    1. Re:Handheld and Microwave by xtink · · Score: 1

      Or beans Beans and franks any one?

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  66. Old news. AT&T saps the internet. by bobs666 · · Score: 1

    I remember it was the same time Al Gore was telling us all about the information super highways. It was about 6 years ago when Apple Computer's partitioned the FCC for access to a large hunk of band width in the Giga HzRange. hundreds of channels with 24 Mbits each. But did Al have the forethought to let us build the true internet. no. The radios would have broadcast range of only 10 to 15 Kilometers. Now if every slashdot nerds set up a router on there roof. With many Gigabits of band width per zone We all would have built our own Internet. We all would have free air time on our cell phones which in turn would supply Internet access every where all the time. But AT&T got in there and said dumb things like we can't have people attaching microwave ovens to there PC's. People will say anything to maintain there monopoly over our communications. And they did.

  67. "Power of the Net at your fingertips" by asylum · · Score: 1

    Think of the possibilities of global wireless broadband. I've heard that Qualcom is going to have a 2.4gig wireless laptop modem out soon. And you know it won't be long before a variety of smaller devices with this capablity hit the market. Access to information, no matter where you are, is one of most enticing opportunities the web has to offer. PCS phone services and advanced pagers have only scratched the surface in this regard. I just can't wait to be "working from home" while sitting at the beach.

  68. I agree wholeheartedly! by _Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1
    People are even abusing my own good name, which I worked so hard to obtain!

    Q: What kind of troll decries ACs while posting anonymously?
    A: A fucking dumb troll!

  69. The "Underground" will be born here. by Jacques+Chester · · Score: 2
    We've all been jumping up and down about the Deep Dark Corporate future for the Internet. Some people have declared that there will be a revolution, whilst others have confidently restated old homilies. Most popular of these is "The Internet perceives censorship as damage, and routes around it."

    I don't think there's much a government or a corporation can do about you or me. Where they exert real leverage over the net is in unified, single-point services. AOL, for example, controls enormous swaths of the Internet. This makes it a high-profile target for laws hostile to Internet freedoms. The Australian experience is that yes, Governments will go after big targets.

    Wireless broadband is the backdoor out. Not necessarily the "transmit to base" kind advocated for wireless access companies, more the "point-to-point" kind which l0pht (amongst others) have tinkered with.

    If people are determined to keep the Internet free, than the key is to have free tubes. Cheap, personal point-to-point networks can form small areas where Free cells can survive and even prosper. As these grow, they can link up, eventually providing uncontrolled tubes for the Internet to route uncensored material into.

    Of course, it can be argued that such devices can be regulated. Of course they can, but not in the same easily-policed fashion as a single-point provider. If twenty million people have personal point-to-point, it won't be very practical to regulate them. Examples have been given where the FCC gave up on certain kinds of CB radios.

    We shall see. If nothing else, somebody cursed the 21st century. These truly are interesting times ...



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  70. Broadband vs. Passive services by bwallace · · Score: 1

    As a radio astronomer, I worry whenever I see stories about wireless communications, especially broadband. Is there going to be room for us in the future? Astronomers measure signals having strengths on theorder of 10**-26 W/m**2/Hz, and we need large bandwidths to get these signals, even with cooled receiver systems. Even a small amount of leakage from adjacent bands can kill our signals (We've already had problems with Russian GPS satellites, and IRIDIUM satellite signals).

    The problem is made worse by the fact that spectral lines from many atoms and molecules can only be found in the radio frequencies (the whole range, but it gets very congested up in the mm to sub-mm wavelengths), and thus we either have a clear frequency band, or we lose the science. And much of the science can only be reached at these frequencies.

    So, the question really is - how much does astronomy mean to you? Are you willing to forgo theknowledge and wonder that is astronomy (as well as the technological benefits that flow from people trying to push the envelope in a different direction than industry) for the sake of a faster connection, or a funkier cell-phone (or so the engineers can get away with a sloppy implementation to meet budget and time constraints)?