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Crusoe Architecture Seminar

bineronbrain wrote to us with class notes from Stanford Online's ee380 class. The guest speaker was David Ditzel, Transmeta's CEO, who goes into quite a bit of detail about the basic architecture, and teaches about how the code-morpher works and the implication it has for compiler-writers. Pretty cool stuff and you can grab the audio recording, as well as the class notes. For some reason, it's only availible in Media Player format - which means I'll never hear/see it again, of course. *sigh*

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  1. Wow by CaseyB · · Score: 2
    Is it just me, or are the guest lecturers for this EE course a better lineup than most major conferences?

    In my day, we were lucky to get some suit in to give a lame half-recruiting half-technical talk on technology we knew better than him...

    1. Re:Wow by Animats · · Score: 2
      Is it just me, or are the guest lecturers for this EE course a better lineup than most major conferences?

      Yes. Even better, afterwards the speaker, the professors, and anyone else interested go out for Chinese food, for which Stanford pays.

  2. They're certainly not marketing to the public by Christopher+B.+Brown · · Score: 4
    Transmeta has been marketing to some very particular vendors, as opposed to "people off the street."

    In particular, the fact that they've been working with IBM is pretty crucial. If they sell to IBM, and sell to Diamond, and sell to a few other OEMs, it is no problem to Transmeta that they aren't pushing product at your engineering buddies.

    Transmeta will succeed or fail based on whatever product deployments come out over the next six months, and with product lead times being what they are, the engineers that will be working on those products probably are already working hard on them.

    As much as I'd like to buy a Transmeta PC mobo/CPU combination, that's really not what they're trying to sell. They're aiming at things like laptops and portable devices, and there are likely a bunch of those in the design/implementation pipeline.

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  3. Re:Oh, enough navel gazing... by Thomas+Charron · · Score: 2

    I suppose this means I also *CHOOSE* not to drive a Porshe. Sure, I could buy one, but I don't find them economical. The same applies to a Win32 environment IMHO. It's a resource hog, it costs money, and while you get the Microsoft flash, I'm not sure I'd drive it every day..

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  4. Re:Products? by Pascal+Q.+Porcupine · · Score: 2

    Ooh, where can I get one? On Pricewatch the lowest price for one is $400.
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  5. Re:Oh, enough navel gazing... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 2

    Well, as I assembled my current PCs from base components and never had to purchase a license for the OS software, I am not about to pay $199 or whatever it is for a full version of Window$ just to view these dopey files...

    Anyone care to mpeg-ify them?


    Your Working Boy,

  6. Re:Oh, enough navel gazing... by jshare · · Score: 2
    There is an implied resentment of the fact that others won't bend to your will, in that they are only providing the audio in a format that you can't use on Linux.

    I feel sympathy with the poster of the comment, because if it were something that was really vitally important to know, you would pretty much have to run Windows, and listen to it. Since this particular soundfile isn't at that level of importance, you choose not to.

    I'm not saying that I think your choice is a wrong one. Obviously not, since it is a personal choice. But the point is that it is a choice. They aren't holding a gun to your head to keep you from listening to the soundfile. It's just not in a format that is convenient for you. Sure, the "convenience" may involve $200 for a license for Windows, repartitioning, and whatnot. But it's not impossible for you to do.

    Jordan

  7. Course Notes: Property of Stanford U. by ch-chuck · · Score: 2

    seems there was a flap on here recently about course notes being property of the prof. or U. and they couldn't be posted online...

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  8. Re:Products? by arivanov · · Score: 3

    There were some references about Qantas. The taiwanese OEM that does the Dell laptops as well as a few other well known "brands". But these folks do not have a web site and it took me more than 45 min digging with google to manage to get this info.

    It is still pretty much unknown.

    The following factors are in place:
    1. Qantas always manufactures for someone else (they do not sell themselves).
    2. None of the vendors for whom Qantas manufactures seems like a likely candidate.
    3. Crusoe itselfs is manufactured by IBM who has strong appetite to very low power apps in mobile phones, PDAs and laptops.

    So from the data in hand it looks like either one of the following:

    1. Transmeta will market them themselves after being manufactured by Qantas.
    2. They will be manufactured by IBM who makes Crusoe anyway.

    This is all hypothetical anyway...

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  9. Re:Transmeta rocks. by bmetzler · · Score: 2
    I'm kind of curious whether Transmeta will gain enough popularity outside of the Slashdot/Geek circles to really compete in the processor market. Very few of my engineering friends have even heard of Transmeta or Crusoe.

    Actually, consumers don't need to "know" about Crusoe. They just go to the local computer retailer, there's the webtop, notebook, pda, whatever, and they buy it. It's the OEM's that need to know about Crusoe, and they know about it.

    -Brent
  10. How is it with Viruses and Crusoe by arcade · · Score: 2

    Heh, the first thing I started wondering about, when I read about the crusoe chip was .. will it be software-upgradeable? In that case - it should be vulnerable to computer viruses. That - is definatly not a good thing.

    Anybody know if this thing is going to be software upgradeable (Something that would be both good and bad).

    Anyone?


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    1. Re:How is it with Viruses and Crusoe by not+Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2

      It would be as much a problem as getting a virus in your BIOS...i.e. not much. The code morphing software itself would need to be in upgradable firmware, probably copied into some fast on-chip memory on boot -- also much like a BIOS. Since you can't diddle it from an OS (unless running some kind of special upgrade program, again like a BIOS), you don't have to worry about a malicious program modifying the code morphing software to switch all the ones to zeros every 100 ns or something.

  11. Stop abusing "Bruce Perens" by arcade · · Score: 2

    First, I didn't see the "not" .. then I started wondering wtf you were posting with Score 1 .. and then I noticed the "not".

    Please, stop abusing someones name. Register as yourself, damn it.


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  12. Re:ASF by platypus · · Score: 2

    yeah, latin is a much more precise language than english, perhaps they should exclusivly use that too.
    Seriously, I concede ASF quality is high, but unfortunatly it locks out non-ms users and thats the wrong thing to do for an university, better quality or not.

  13. Re:Oh, enough navel gazing... by QuMa · · Score: 2

    It's all choices. Even if you don't have x86, practicly everyone is capable of saving up money/robbing a bank/whatever to get one. However, for instanace the robbing a bank scenario is to risky for most of us, and goes against our moral judgement. Idem with using windows.

  14. Oh, enough navel gazing... by Rombuu · · Score: 2

    For some reason, it's only availible in Media Player format - which means I'll never hear/see it again, of course.

    Why not? If you have an x86 compatable chip you are prefectly capable of watching it. You just are choosing not to for whatever reason. Your loss.

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  15. Re:not unless it's a dual-boot VAIO ... by timothy · · Score: 2

    "It may well come off, but the objection seemed to be that people had to pay for Windows to read this data. Well, Rob appears to have a Windows license going spare so that's a non-issue."

    Good point. On the other hand, people can / do decide not to do things that are easily possible, or to do things that are more difficult than necessary, for a variety of reasons. It seems a valid point to me if someone says "Even though I have a license, I want to remain pure of MS (or other company's) software because I object to their business practices."

    Obviously, not everyone will feel the same way about such situations. We all pick our battles, from Bill Gates to ... I dunno, professional athletes and cancer patients. Depends. I don't refuse to work on MS Word at work, though I have pointed out certain advantages of using non-propietary stuff for certain purposes.

    But on that VAIO ... well, if it has been wiped of Windows, he may just not feel the time to reinstall, twiddle with and deal with Windows generally is worth it, when Linux provides all kinds of twiddling opportunities:)

    Just thoughts,

    timothy

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  16. Re:Still OT - But still important to /. by anatoli · · Score: 2
    Banning them by email address won't work, cause it's way too easy to go grab a new hotmail address.
    A simple solution: Karma For Domains (tm).

    If somedomain.com is a trollhouse, ban somedomain.com accounts from posting. Permanently. No excuses.

    If you are a legitimate poster and happen to have a hotmail account, tough luck. Get a real address, or get lost.
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  17. Re:Notice the building name? by TummyX · · Score: 2

    Bah don't be such a troll. Torvalds Computer Science Building. Oooooh Torvalds rocks man, he's the (self proclaimed) best programmer in the world, stanford ROCKS, i'm going to stanford, I'd love to see a beowulf cluster of linus torvalds computer science buildings! The point is, SO WHAT?

  18. Re:MediaPlayer vs. RealPlayer servers by TummyX · · Score: 2

    Last I looked the Windows Media server was free. It's free in windows 2000, and i think it's downloadable for NT4.

  19. Re:Notice the building name? by mangu · · Score: 3
    Do you know who was this Leland Stanford Jr. that gave his name to the university? The son of Leland Stanford, of course, but who was Leland Stanford?

    Answer: U.S. senator from California, and one of the builders of the first U.S. transcontinental railroad. Became stinking rich as a railroad robber-baron and built Stanford University in his farm in Palo Alto, in 1885, as a memorial to his only child who died at the age of 15.

    Whoever is or was this Gates who donated the money to build the GCSB is as completely irrelevant as the identity of this Stanford guy. The important thing is, no matter who are Stanford and Gates, their money is now being used for education, in this one particular case for a course on this "crusoe" chip.

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  20. Transmeta rocks. by kwsNI · · Score: 2
    I'm kind of curious whether Transmeta will gain enough popularity outside of the Slashdot/Geek circles to really compete in the processor market. Very few of my engineering friends have even heard of Transmeta or Crusoe.

    It's kind of smart for them to be working with large schools like Stanford. If you can't get your name into the current market, market the future...

    kwsNI