I wanna see a X-Men vs. AD&D movie. Since both are out soon, and they're both from the same period of my childhood. Just think: a Paladin scoring a critical on Cyclops. Woo hooo!
I used to collect the X-Men religiously, back when it was at it's height -- I'm talking Chris Clermont/John Byrne/Terry Austin...This was back in like 1980 or so.
Chris Clermont was the writer. He was known as writing good women characters. Each woman chartacter got the chance to say "Hear me, X-Men! No longer am I the woman you knew...Now and forever, I am [fill in the blank]!"
Byrne was the pencil artist. He was really the guy who put Wolverine on the map. He made Wolvie be real hairy and animal-like.
Terry Austin was the inker. He made Byrne's drawings full of amazingly rich detail and microscopic comic references.
Byrne and Clermont were always fighting. Byrne, apparently, though Clermont was a silly hack. Clermont, on the other hand, took the characters more seriously than his own life. They co-ploted the comic, and their disparate characters really helpped make the comic original and vital.
The comic was the most popular thing out there (but nothing like today). Then, the editor-in-chief at Marvel wrested control away from Clermont and made him make Jean Grey/Phoenix die because she had killed a bunch of aliens while she was in a power-mad state of delerium. Clermont was crushed.
Byrne then got sick of working with Clermont, and left the book. Many plotlines were left hanging. Some were later resolved, but in ways far inferior to what had been alluded to by Byrne and Clermont:
* Was Sabertooth Wolverine's father?
* Wolverine had an adamantium skeleton?
* Mystique was Nightcrawler's sister?
Etc. Different artists came and went, and the "feel" of the book varied. Clermont stayed on, but I think that the book started making to much money, and Marvel wrested control from him altogether.
Too bad. His emphasis on strong but super sexy women and convoluted soap-opera relationships between what grew to dozens of charatcers was good, but soon became the books' undoing as the number of different X-Men titles grew until it dwarfed the entire Marvel universe.
Re:Once again, No-go for Linux
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wowbagger
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Do a "copy link location" and paste into a reply to this message. I cannot find the "tab" you refer to to download the movie. Also, are you sure you got the whole movie? The way this QT streaming crap works is you get a little file named foo.mov, but all it is is a pointer to another URL, in a streaming protocol.
Besides, even if you did download the movie, could you watch it with Xanim? Again, it's the fact that Apple has the attitude that, "If you ain't Mac or Windows, you ain't $h!t" (of course, what are you if you ARE Mac or Windows?).
Apple won't support the OSS movement. They talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I'd love to see someone find Apple building some GPL'ed stuff into their new OS, and force Apple to OS it.
Re:Ideology and where do the moviefile go?
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Mr.+Ascii
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You can set the plug-in to save the movie file in your cache. (It's on the drop down on the plug-in controls.) Then go grab the big.mov file from your cache directory and rename as you wish.
Remember to set your connection speed as high as possible to get the best res movie.
Of course you still need tools to convert from QuickTime to MPEG.
Angela Basset would have been a much better Storm, she at least looks the part. Halle Berry looks to "pretty" -- not to imply that Ms. Basset is unattractive, but her looks are more sophisticated than those of Berry, and IMHO more suited to Storm. I think Iman would have also been a good choice, at least for the voice.
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For those of you running Linux:
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aicn have a few piccies from the trailer. All I can say is... Mmmmm, Mystique...
and at this site there is a cool campaign site parody that is very relevant to the x-men.
Enjoy!
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Not to contradict, cause I think you're right. However, I think this would be more categorized a "teaser". This is not at all what a more slightly longer "trailer" would be.
I think the trend nowadays is to "tease" the audience with the first trailer release, then put out one or two more "trailers" with a little more information, so as to 'hook' you into it more.
Personally, I like action movies. If the "trailer" can show me that it's action-centric, I'll probably watch it. Hell, _DRIVE_ is one of my favorite movies, and it has maybe 15 minutes of plot, with the rest action (and the plot kinda sucks too). I don't really expect a comic-to-film movie with a plot. Maybe it's me, but it seems like the lifeblood of comics was the plot, but that they had years in which to develop it, not just two hours.
Jim Lee, much as I loved his X men and wildcats work, has one problem. He has a Breast Fetish. I recall one memorable episode, with Jean Grey, Rogue, Storm, and Pyslocke, all in one panel, and no chest smaller than a 44DD. Scary.
Re:When was you favorite Xmen team?
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Issue9mm
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New Mutants episode 99. Don't gimme none of that X-Force crap. Shatterstar just rocked. Plain and simple.
Cannonball - Sam Guthrie, was a great character, but not one that I ever really "fell" for.
I dunno if they count but "Excalibur" had one of the better books in my mind, which should suit you fine since they had Nightcrawler AND Shadowcat, as well as Captain Britain, Megan the shapeshifter, and Phoenix (also ?lockheed?, the pet dragon). Excellent comic, with tremendous character development. The only thing they REALLY lacked was good villains. Arcade was okay, but c'mon...
Did anyone else get chills when Wolvie popped his claws?
I'm sorry. What I meant to say was 'please excuse me.' what came out of my mouth was 'Move or I'll kill you!'
Re:Once again, No-go for Linux
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wowbagger
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I think you are missing the point. The techniques you suggest for gaining access to the files are wonderful if you are running Windows or MacOs. Again, I redundandly reiterate: I am running Linux (hence the word Linux in the message title), therefor these options are not available to me.
Now, once again I shall make my point: The actions being taken by Apple have as their direct result the exclusion of anybody not running Windows or MacOS. This is something I would like to see changed, hence my post. Offering my "solutions" that require me to be running QT4 (and therefor Windows or MacOS) are not solutions because I am running Linux.
Any particular reason you feel it's a "piece-of-shit" movie? Everything I've heard says this is being done with the utmost respect for the original story. The only thing they've done is change the costumes, which of course, is necessary. Sorry, but human beings just don't look like that in skin-tight outfits. The outfits they went for are darker partly because that's popular now, and partly because it hides the padding a little better. But as far as I can tell they have not fallen for the idiocy of the Batman movie (e.g. they're not all wearing body armor that requires them to swivel their entire bodies in order to look behind them).
Here's a list of the characters and actors playing them, I got this from an interview with Brian Singer:
Famke Jansen as Jean Grey James Marsden as Cyclops Halle Berry as Storm Hugh Jackson as Wolverine Anna Paquin as Rogue and Patrick Stewart as Professor Xavier
The bad guys:
Ray Parks as Toad Rebecca Romijn-Stamos as Mystique Tyler Mane as Sabretooth and Ian McKellen as Magneto
Apparantly the movie will start off as Wolverine discovers Xavier's X-Men project. Besides trying to stop Magneto and his brotherhood of evil mutants there will also be some complications regarding Senator Robert Kelly, who sees mutants as a threat to society and wants them terminated.
This movie is an interesting test of Marvel Entertainment. For those of you who don't know, Marvel used to be a real mess. They finally went bankrupt because they just could not manage their assets. For example, the whole reason that when Cameron wanted to do a Spiderman movie, he couldn't (he ended up doing True Lies and then Titanic while waiting) was that Marvel had sold seemingly conflicting rights to multiple parties. Think about this: Jim "Top of the World" Cameron wanted to make a Spiderman movie, but Marvel had made it nearly impossible, no matter how much money Cameron was willing to spend.
They had done a lot of this, and they basically didn't retain much control over these products nor over the royalties. This lead to crap like Fantastic Four and The Punnisher, which you can find on video at conventions, but trust me, they're not really worth the money.
So why is X-Men different? After going through bankruptcy, Marvel has a very different attitude. They are excercising a good deal of control over the X-Men movie from what I've heard, and they are also coordinating marketing efforts with the release of the film. Expect to see numerous X-Men products coming from Marvel and their partners when the movie comes out.
What's even more interesting is that Marvel stock (MVL) is currently suffering from the effects of their bankruptcy. No one wants to take the chance, so it's cheap. If this movie does well, and the upcoming Spiderman movie also hits the mark, Marvel could be back on track and the stock has a lot of room to rise... of course, this *is* Marvel, and they *do* have a track record....
According to my copy of "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way" by Stan Lee and John Buscema, comic superheros are drawn at 8 and three-quarters heads tall even though a typical human male is 6 and a half heads tall.
More on the breasts remark
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Storm... is supposed to have enormous breasts (this is not a troll or flamebait. Every comic or cartoon I have seen has had her with huge breasts.).
Sure, but unfortunately, the cast of "Baywatch" was unavailable for the X-Men movie.
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This must be some new use of the word "open" ...
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DragonHawk
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... of which I was previously unaware.
... the entire core of MacOS X is slated for open sourcing...
Darwin when fully released will not include the graphics layers (Quartz/OpenGL/QuickTime), nor the APIs (Classic/Carbon/Cocoa), nor the UI (Aqua). It will be the Mach 3.0 microkernel + BSD 4.4 layer.
So let me get this straight. The only parts of Apple's next OS product ("System X" or "MacOS X" or "Pink 3x Squared" or whatever the heck its called (geez, and I thought Microsoft was bad)) that are going to be Open Source are the parts that were already Open Source when Apple grabbed them. Wowie gee. That took some initiative on the part of Apple! Releasing source that was already available, gosh, what a bold move.
Give me a break. Apple's about as "open" as Fort Knox.
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Thoughts on the trailer
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The X-Men uniforms look a lot better than the one shown on ign.com a while back.
But I had to giggle at that shot of Cyclops in the black ball cap. Sort of an FBI/SWAT-team kinda look. The shot of him running in his "wrap-around" shades was a lot better.
Well casted all around, I think. We didn't see Anna Paquin as Rogue at all, which is disappointing. I wanted to know if she'll have big '80s hair.
Halle Barrie looks incredible with long white hair. And Rebecca Romijn-Stamos in body paint? Forgeddaboutit!
No one but Patrick Stewart could play Xavier. I think that's a given
Why are Sabretooth and Wolverine fighting atop the Statue of Liberty and not in the Canadian wilderness? Must every action movie include symbols of American patriotism?
And why isn't Spiderman sitting on the end of one of the crown spikes, looking all pensive?
Halle Berry does not look like storm, and from the little I heard from her in the trailer, she does not sound like Storm either. Storm is supposed to be taller than she is, and is supposed to have enormous breasts (this is not a troll or flamebait. Every comic or cartoon I have seen has had her with huge breasts.). Also she is supposed to have a British/South African accent.
Even with Patrick Stewart on board, this movie does not look like it is going to be very good. I'll try and reserve judgement until I actually SEE it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
I personally think it would have been much cooler if they had done an animated movie instead of a live action one. The X-Men cartoon (at least the earlier episodes) was one of the coolest cartoons ever.
Okay, before everyone starts complaining about there not being an MPEG version, I just converted it: http://home.jbic.com/~ben/x-men_320.mpg . I used the free Movie2MPEG program from: http://www.win.ne.jp/~juan/misc/mpg/index_e.html to convert it on my Mac, but the sound seems to have gotten out of sync near the end. If anyone has a nice fast G3/G4, you're welcome to give it another shot. It too damn long to convert on my lowly 603e/180 that I'm not gonna try it again. Oh, and some mirrors might not be that bad and idea.:)
Once again, No-go for Linux
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wowbagger
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The movie isn't just in Quicktime format, it uses the QT streaming extensions, so unless you are running the latest version of QT, you cannot even download the movie; all you get is a "Click here to play" graphic.
Given the non-trivial correlation between comic book reading and Linux use, perhaps it's time to/. Marvel (or Apple) again.
I want 720x480 24fps, not another streaming homage to Microsoft that we continually get around here. After seeing full D1 you never want to play another internet stream again.
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I wanna see a X-Men vs. AD&D movie. Since both are out soon, and they're both from the same period of my childhood. Just think: a Paladin scoring a critical on Cyclops. Woo hooo!
I used to collect the X-Men religiously, back when it was at it's height -- I'm talking Chris Clermont/John Byrne/Terry Austin...This was back in like 1980 or so.
Chris Clermont was the writer. He was known as writing good women characters. Each woman chartacter got the chance to say "Hear me, X-Men! No longer am I the woman you knew...Now and forever, I am [fill in the blank]!"
Byrne was the pencil artist. He was really the guy who put Wolverine on the map. He made Wolvie be real hairy and animal-like.
Terry Austin was the inker. He made Byrne's drawings full of amazingly rich detail and microscopic comic references.
Byrne and Clermont were always fighting. Byrne, apparently, though Clermont was a silly hack. Clermont, on the other hand, took the characters more seriously than his own life. They co-ploted the comic, and their disparate characters really helpped make the comic original and vital.
The comic was the most popular thing out there (but nothing like today). Then, the editor-in-chief at Marvel wrested control away from Clermont and made him make Jean Grey/Phoenix die because she had killed a bunch of aliens while she was in a power-mad state of delerium. Clermont was crushed.
Byrne then got sick of working with Clermont, and left the book. Many plotlines were left hanging. Some were later resolved, but in ways far inferior to what had been alluded to by Byrne and Clermont:
* Was Sabertooth Wolverine's father?
* Wolverine had an adamantium skeleton?
* Mystique was Nightcrawler's sister?
Etc. Different artists came and went, and the "feel" of the book varied. Clermont stayed on, but I think that the book started making to much money, and Marvel wrested control from him altogether.
Too bad. His emphasis on strong but super sexy women and convoluted soap-opera relationships between what grew to dozens of charatcers was good, but soon became the books' undoing as the number of different X-Men titles grew until it dwarfed the entire Marvel universe.
Besides, even if you did download the movie, could you watch it with Xanim? Again, it's the fact that Apple has the attitude that, "If you ain't Mac or Windows, you ain't $h!t" (of course, what are you if you ARE Mac or Windows?).
Apple won't support the OSS movement. They talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I'd love to see someone find Apple building some GPL'ed stuff into their new OS, and force Apple to OS it.
www.eFax.com are spammers
You can set the plug-in to save the movie file in your cache. (It's on the drop down on the plug-in controls.) Then go grab the big .mov file from your cache directory and rename as you wish.
Remember to set your connection speed as high as possible to get the best res movie.
Of course you still need tools to convert from QuickTime to MPEG.
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aicn have a few piccies from the trailer. All I can say is... Mmmmm, Mystique...
and at this site there is a cool campaign site parody that is very relevant to the x-men.
Enjoy!
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Not to contradict, cause I think you're right. However, I think this would be more categorized a "teaser". This is not at all what a more slightly longer "trailer" would be.
I think the trend nowadays is to "tease" the audience with the first trailer release, then put out one or two more "trailers" with a little more information, so as to 'hook' you into it more.
Personally, I like action movies. If the "trailer" can show me that it's action-centric, I'll probably watch it. Hell, _DRIVE_ is one of my favorite movies, and it has maybe 15 minutes of plot, with the rest action (and the plot kinda sucks too). I don't really expect a comic-to-film movie with a plot. Maybe it's me, but it seems like the lifeblood of comics was the plot, but that they had years in which to develop it, not just two hours.
Oh well, whatever works.
Since there's not an obvious downloadable link to it, thought I'd add this in...
save target as
That ought to get it onto your hard drive.. : )
Jim Lee, much as I loved his X men and wildcats work, has one problem. He has a Breast Fetish. I recall one memorable episode, with Jean Grey, Rogue, Storm, and Pyslocke, all in one panel, and no chest smaller than a 44DD. Scary.
New Mutants episode 99. Don't gimme none of that X-Force crap. Shatterstar just rocked. Plain and simple.
Cannonball - Sam Guthrie, was a great character, but not one that I ever really "fell" for.
I dunno if they count but "Excalibur" had one of the better books in my mind, which should suit you fine since they had Nightcrawler AND Shadowcat, as well as Captain Britain, Megan the shapeshifter, and Phoenix (also ?lockheed?, the pet dragon). Excellent comic, with tremendous character development. The only thing they REALLY lacked was good villains. Arcade was okay, but c'mon...
Did anyone else get chills when Wolvie popped his claws?
I'm sorry. What I meant to say was 'please excuse me.'
what came out of my mouth was 'Move or I'll kill you!'
Now, once again I shall make my point: The actions being taken by Apple have as their direct result the exclusion of anybody not running Windows or MacOS. This is something I would like to see changed, hence my post. Offering my "solutions" that require me to be running QT4 (and therefor Windows or MacOS) are not solutions because I am running Linux.
I don't wish to sound like a flamer, but....
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Any particular reason you feel it's a "piece-of-shit" movie? Everything I've heard says this is being done with the utmost respect for the original story. The only thing they've done is change the costumes, which of course, is necessary. Sorry, but human beings just don't look like that in skin-tight outfits. The outfits they went for are darker partly because that's popular now, and partly because it hides the padding a little better. But as far as I can tell they have not fallen for the idiocy of the Batman movie (e.g. they're not all wearing body armor that requires them to swivel their entire bodies in order to look behind them).
I for one am looking forward to this!
Famke Jansen as Jean Grey
James Marsden as Cyclops
Halle Berry as Storm
Hugh Jackson as Wolverine
Anna Paquin as Rogue
and Patrick Stewart as Professor Xavier
The bad guys:
Ray Parks as Toad
Rebecca Romijn-Stamos as Mystique
Tyler Mane as Sabretooth
and Ian McKellen as Magneto
Apparantly the movie will start off as Wolverine discovers Xavier's X-Men project. Besides trying to stop Magneto and his brotherhood of evil mutants there will also be some complications regarding Senator Robert Kelly, who sees mutants as a threat to society and wants them terminated.
I can't wait :)
This movie is an interesting test of Marvel Entertainment. For those of you who don't know, Marvel used to be a real mess. They finally went bankrupt because they just could not manage their assets. For example, the whole reason that when Cameron wanted to do a Spiderman movie, he couldn't (he ended up doing True Lies and then Titanic while waiting) was that Marvel had sold seemingly conflicting rights to multiple parties. Think about this: Jim "Top of the World" Cameron wanted to make a Spiderman movie, but Marvel had made it nearly impossible, no matter how much money Cameron was willing to spend.
They had done a lot of this, and they basically didn't retain much control over these products nor over the royalties. This lead to crap like Fantastic Four and The Punnisher, which you can find on video at conventions, but trust me, they're not really worth the money.
So why is X-Men different? After going through bankruptcy, Marvel has a very different attitude. They are excercising a good deal of control over the X-Men movie from what I've heard, and they are also coordinating marketing efforts with the release of the film. Expect to see numerous X-Men products coming from Marvel and their partners when the movie comes out.
What's even more interesting is that Marvel stock (MVL) is currently suffering from the effects of their bankruptcy. No one wants to take the chance, so it's cheap. If this movie does well, and the upcoming Spiderman movie also hits the mark, Marvel could be back on track and the stock has a lot of room to rise... of course, this *is* Marvel, and they *do* have a track record....
Storm is supposed to be taller than she is
According to my copy of "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way" by Stan Lee and John Buscema, comic superheros are drawn at 8 and three-quarters heads tall even though a typical human male is 6 and a half heads tall.
Storm ... is supposed to have enormous breasts (this is not a troll or flamebait. Every comic or cartoon I have seen has had her with huge breasts.).
Sure, but unfortunately, the cast of "Baywatch" was unavailable for the X-Men movie.
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... of which I was previously unaware.
Darwin when fully released will not include the graphics layers (Quartz/OpenGL/QuickTime), nor the APIs (Classic/Carbon/Cocoa), nor the UI (Aqua). It will be the Mach 3.0 microkernel + BSD 4.4 layer.
So let me get this straight. The only parts of Apple's next OS product ("System X" or "MacOS X" or "Pink 3x Squared" or whatever the heck its called (geez, and I thought Microsoft was bad)) that are going to be Open Source are the parts that were already Open Source when Apple grabbed them. Wowie gee. That took some initiative on the part of Apple! Releasing source that was already available, gosh, what a bold move.
Give me a break. Apple's about as "open" as Fort Knox.
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The X-Men uniforms look a lot better than the one shown on ign.com a while back.
But I had to giggle at that shot of Cyclops in the black ball cap. Sort of an FBI/SWAT-team kinda look. The shot of him running in his "wrap-around" shades was a lot better.
Well casted all around, I think. We didn't see Anna Paquin as Rogue at all, which is disappointing. I wanted to know if she'll have big '80s hair.
Halle Barrie looks incredible with long white hair. And Rebecca Romijn-Stamos in body paint? Forgeddaboutit!
No one but Patrick Stewart could play Xavier. I think that's a given
Why are Sabretooth and Wolverine fighting atop the Statue of Liberty and not in the Canadian wilderness? Must every action movie include symbols of American patriotism?
And why isn't Spiderman sitting on the end of one of the crown spikes, looking all pensive?
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Even with Patrick Stewart on board, this movie does not look like it is going to be very good. I'll try and reserve judgement until I actually SEE it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
I personally think it would have been much cooler if they had done an animated movie instead of a live action one. The X-Men cartoon (at least the earlier episodes) was one of the coolest cartoons ever.
I wonder if Apocalypse will be in the movie...
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Okay, before everyone starts complaining about there not being an MPEG version, I just converted it: http://home.jbic.com/~ben/x-men_320.mpg . :)
I used the free Movie2MPEG program from: http://www.win.ne.jp/~juan/misc/mpg/index_e.html to convert it on my Mac, but the sound seems to have gotten out of sync near the end. If anyone has a nice fast G3/G4, you're welcome to give it another shot. It too damn long to convert on my lowly 603e/180 that I'm not gonna try it again.
Oh, and some mirrors might not be that bad and idea.
Given the non-trivial correlation between comic book reading and Linux use, perhaps it's time to
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Any particular reason you feel it's a "piece-of-shit" movie?
:P
Because it looks like one? Then again, maybe my sense of aesthetics isn't as highly developed as yours.
To the editors: your English is as bad as your Perl. Please go back to grade school.
I want 720x480 24fps, not another streaming homage to Microsoft that we continually get around here. After seeing full D1 you never want to play another internet stream again.