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GNU Releases Free Documentation License

Bananenrepublik writes "The GNU Project has released the GNU Free Documentation License. It is meant 'to assure everyone the effective freedom to copy and redistribute it [the documentation], with or without modifying it, either commercially or noncommercially.'"

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  1. This helps to clarify things by divec · · Score: 2

    I think this new license can only be a good thing. There is not much awareness in the community of the FSF's position on free documentation. The existence of this license will hopefully cause people to consider the issue, and decide for themselves what they believe, rather than just being unaware of the issue.

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  2. Summary of GNU FDL by EraseMe · · Score: 2

    Copyright (c) YEAR YOUR NAME.
    Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.0 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with the Invariant Sections being LIST THEIR TITLES, with the Front-Cover Texts being LIST, and with the Back-Cover Texts being LIST. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License".


    What a novel license.. Kudos to RMS and the rest of the GNU crew!

    EraseMe

  3. GPL wars, anyone? ;) by PigleT · · Score: 3

    First thoughts: Excellent stuff! I'm glad to have "the GPL of document processing" nicely laid out.
    I also approve muchly of "Opaque formats include PostScript, PDF, proprietary formats that can be read and edited only by proprietary word processors, SGML or XML for which the DTD and/or processing tools are not generally available, and the machine-generated HTML produced by some word processors for output purposes only." I'm not convinced about some of the layout specs ("first page", "title page", "adjacent pages" - can't we have a one-paragraph "this is GDL'd" with pointer to appendix Z?) It also needs to define "compilation copyright" - what is it? Is it Yet Another American thing? (I thought that around these parts, anything you "write" was automatically copyrighted... confusing.) If the GPL is but one open-source license for software, is there an "open-source" definition for documents? (How much is www.transparent-source.org going for? ;) Roll on w3c and the DOM and any other transparent document models!

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    1. Re:GPL wars, anyone? ;) by cburley · · Score: 2
      It also needs to define "compilation copyright" - what is it?

      It's a copyright on a particular arrangement, or set, of things, as distinct from the copyrights on those things. I don't know offhand how supported this concept is by actual legislation, but it's apparently considered effectively supported by that and/or by precedent set as the result of litigation.

      So, in theory at least, someone can copyright a particular combination of Open Source packages as they distribute them on their CD, even if they own none of the copyrights on those underlying packages.

      Think of the list of those packages as itself a copyrightable plaintext file, so anyone reproducing that list -- whether as an identical text file, or as the "translation" of it represented by "ls -1" on a directory containing the packages -- could be considered in violation of that copyright, unless they could show independent creation.

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  4. Please do not use this by Jonas+�berg · · Score: 5

    RMS just wrote in to say that there has been a few minor last-minute corrections to the license. I'm sorry that I do not have any more details at the moment, but please do not use this license just yet.

  5. Opaque versus Transparent? by Improv · · Score: 3

    Is it just me, or does the Opaque/Transparent
    distinction seem too vague to be enforcable?
    The portion indicating that HTML is sometimes
    but not always opaque seems the best example of
    this, but overall the distinction seems to be
    problematic.

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  6. Caution. "Invariant sections" by divec · · Score: 2

    Note that someone can create their own non-free work, label it all "invariant", place it under the FDL and then combine it with your work to get a non-free derivative work. Anything directly derived from your sections remains free in the derivative work though. I suppose this is something like how the Lesser GPL works.

    Also note that untested licenses are at least as dangerous as untested software! You probably want to wait a while before actually *using* this license. Remember it is only version 1.0 and be careful.

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  7. The distinction between Transparent and Opaque by (void*) · · Score: 2
    I am glad the issue of readability of the document format is addressed. But I worry about the fine distinction between transparent and opaque.

    The line seems to be too arbitrarily drawn. Postscript is not transparent? That depends. I know quite a few Postscript hackers who can directly edit PS source without batting an eyelid. But PS generated by TeX itself, is really obscure largely becuase of all the font declarations.

    Is there a more satisfactory way to address this issue?

    1. Re:The distinction between Transparent and Opaque by Evangelion · · Score: 2


      The distinction between machine-generated PS would probably be resolved the same way the distinction between machine and human generated HTML would be.

    2. Re:The distinction between Transparent and Opaque by cburley · · Score: 3
      Postscript is not transparent? That depends.

      Ditto for object files, executable files, etc., though not quite as much generally.

      But, in theory, a Linux i386 executable can be created that, aside from some initialization code, looks as much like plaintext in expressing the program's logic (e.g. it could be Java code) as can similar PostScript code with similar initialization code.

      If you're looking for a 100% reliable way to automatically determine whether a particular form is "opaque" vs. "transparent", you'll no more find it than you'll find one that distinguishes between "source code" a la the GPL and the alternatives.

      That sort of thing is left up to humans to assess, in courts of law, for legal issues like this.

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  8. It doesn't address the need by tilly · · Score: 4

    Here is the problem.

    A publisher like O'Reilly produces technical manuals, under the license an author chooses. If a would-be author (who is about to do a lot of work) wants advice on licenses, O'Reilly is stuck between a rock and a hard place, they want to support open source, but they have to admit that the author will probably make more if it is not an open source license on the book. For some reason people like writing software but find documentation a chore.

    However what seems to work very well is if O'Reilly can work with the author to produce both a book and connected documentation. An example is Programming Perl where the online documentation started life as the book rearranged (and without the bad jokes). If the online documentation is exactly the book, people act as if the book is a cheap rip-off. If there is a clear division, then they don't.

    But if you do the above, the online documentation gets maintained and the dead tree version does not. At some point you need to re-synch. But what pair of licenses allows that?

    Personally I think that it would be good to create some sort of arrangement where the exact text and arrangement of a document may or may not be free, but it and all its derivatives must allow the technical information in them to be free to use in any other document using either of the pair of licenses. IOW O'Reilly or anyone else can come out with clearly differentiated books, but the information contained in such has to be available as free documentation.

    But the devil is in the details...

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  9. Translation by EraseMe · · Score: 2

    This is interesting:

    Translation is considered a kind of modification, so you may distribute translations of the Document under the terms of section 4. Replacing Invariant Sections with translations requires special permission from their copyright holders, but you may include translations of some or all Invariant Sections in addition to the original versions of these Invariant Sections. You may include a translation of this License provided that you also include the original English version of this License. In case of a disagreement between the translation and the original English version of this License, the original English version will prevail.

    Does anyone see any true sense to this clause? We still have to refer back to the original document in order to stick to the license, so I would imagine this would just make things more complicated for such projects as the LDP when they start moving towards more sophisticated language support.

    EraseMe

    1. Re:Translation by cburley · · Score: 2
      Does anyone see any true sense to this clause? We still have to refer back to the original document in order to stick to the license, so I would imagine this would just make things more complicated for such projects as the LDP when they start moving towards more sophisticated language support.

      Yes, I see plenty of sense to that clause.

      Since there's not yet such a thing as a 100% correct translation automaton, and in fact human language (those in practical use anyway) is full of ambiguities, the author of a text is ultimately the best resource for determining the accuracy of a translation.

      (Being a legal document, the GDL focuses on the copyright owner of a text, rather than the original author, which allows the author to confer authority for determining accuracy of translations, among other things, to others.)

      With that in mind, the clause appears designed to allow contribution of a translation to a document by anyone in a modified redistribution, but not replacement of the original text as authorized by the copyright holder of sections of the work considered important ("invariant sections").

      (Of course, if the copyright holders give specific permission to provide such a replacement, that's allowed by the license -- though the GDL itself needn't specify that, it's a convenient way to express the idea that a copyright holder doing such a thing isn't considered to be violating the "spirit" of the GDL, I suppose.)

      As translations are contributed that are judged by the copyright holders to be correct, permissions can be given to provide them as replacements for, not just contributions in addition to, the original versions of invariant sections.

      Ditto the GDL itself. Until the copyright holder (the FSF) approves a given translation, someone may contribute their own, but (I would hope) the GDL does not permit that translation to represent itself as the authorized version, and requires it to point to the original English version as such. (I haven't looked at this version of the GDL yet; it's been months since I've reviewed an earlier version.)

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  10. No comments on excerpts, private use, inclusions. by Jon+Peterson · · Score: 3

    I've speed read the whole deal and find it seems to be lacking some key stuff:

    1. Excerpts. What if a print magazine is doing an article on Widgets, and wants to quote two paragraphs from the GDL'd Widgets Manual. Is it possible? Does the Magazine have to GDL itself? GDL that article? Since the magazine has a circulation of >100 does that have an impact?

    2. Private use. Some guy wants to take a whole GDL document, modify it with his comments and give it to the 115 people in his lecture class. Does he also have to give them floppies since the distribution is > 100?

    3. Inclusions. Some guy is writing a GDL'd document and wants to include a longish section of a non-GDL'd document. Is this illegal, as it would be with code under GPL? Suppose I want to quote a large chunk of text that is genuinely public domain. Does the license now infect that text in other places?

    I was never a massive fan of GPL, although it has its uses. I think GDL will have its uses too, but it is a minority license suitable only for a certain set of technical documentation.

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  11. Why not a recursive license? by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 2
    Aw, I am disappointed. Why couldn't they put the FDL on the FDL?!

    From the document:
    Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed.

    This is certainly not allowed by the FDL...


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    1. Re:Why not a recursive license? by cburley · · Score: 2
      Why couldn't they put the FDL on the FDL?!

      Another poster explained that this is necessary to disallow a recipient simply changing the GDL (FDL?) in a redistribution of someone else's work. Kinda like making it explicitly invariant.

      Keep in mind the GPL isn't GPL'ed either. And, yes, people have occasionally wondered why not over the years. The answers are basically the same: both licenses are designed to grant blanket permission to change both the style and the substance of the works distributed under those licenses, but, to do that, the licenses themselves must not be allowed to be substantively changed. Disallowing any changes is the surest way to achieve that.

      This is kinda like the concept of "human rights". No matter how much anyone talks about them, there's one incontrovertible fact as long as more than one human exists: almost every such right requires the ability to suspend that right in specific instances to assure them generally.

      As an example: the right to not be physically assaulted must be suspendable in instances where person A physically assaults person B, and will not stop until person B is long dead or person C (for "Cop" ;-) physically assaults person A in order to stop it. Otherwise that "right" is unenforceable; or, if there's no such thing as such assault, there's no need to state or even discuss it in the first place.

      (Of course, if someone can come up with a way for C to stop A in a way that'd be considered perfectly legit under any other circumstances -- i.e. not prohibited by virtue of claiming A's "rights" -- that's great. I can't think of a way offhand, and tend to suspect that's because such things are well-neigh impossible, as is, by applying suitable logic, the notion that any human government or system can secure for the people rights, liberties, or happiness they cannot secure for themselves.)

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    2. Re:Why not a recursive license? by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 2
      I actually made this post with my tongue firmly in my cheek, but I guess I forgot a smiley :-)

      However, I think you are wrong. The FDL could very well be posted under itself due to the modification clause, point A:

      A. Use in the Title Page (and on the covers, if any) a title distinct from that of the Document, and from those of previous versions (which should, if there were any, be listed in the History section of the Document). You may use the same title as a previous version if the original publisher of that version gives permission.

      So either the derived licence can not be called the FDL, or you have received permission from the original author, in which case the content cannot have changed distinctively.

      Cheers,
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  12. Hmmm... How to make money with documentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3
    The FSF suggested model of making money out of software is to give away the software, but charge for support (if you like). Now, what is the FSF model of making money from writing documentation?

    You give the documentation away, and you make money by...? By what? Support of the documentation? That is, you get paid for adapting, modifying, and or re-writing the documentation? I don't think this works.

    I'd really like to see the incentive model for writing free documentation. Programmers do free software for fun and fame. That's their compensation. Writing documentation, however, is not fun, and also doesn't give one any brownie points in the community. Writing documentation is just plain hard work. What's the compensation for that work?

    Also, book writing (even large books) is still a one-person show (as opposite to software writing). And if the book you write is good, you can easily make some money out of it. So what is the incentive to give it away? You get credit for software by the community. As a documentation writer, no one even remembers your name in the community. So going to a traditional publisher seems a more natural way for one, in terms of money, as well as fame. And if you don't trust traditional publishers (or don't find one), you can still publish your work yourself.

    1. Re:Hmmm... How to make money with documentation by locutus074 · · Score: 2
      Now, what is the FSF model of making money from writing documentation?
      I would imagine that it would be quite similar in some respects to the way to make money writing GPLd code.

      Consider this: Many companies (I don't think I need to name Red Hat here) pay people to write code that's to be released under the GPL. It doesn't seem too unreasonable to me to assume that they would pay people to write the free documentation (under the FDL) the same way that they pay people to write free software. It's rather complementary, IMO.

      Something else: What about documentation that's been languishing for several revisions of the software? If this license becomes widely used (which I suspect it will, eventually, because of the reputation of RMS), then it would be no problem to just hire somebody to modify the documentation, much the same way as, say, ESR became the maintainer of popclient. (In fact, you wouldn't need any permission; ESR sought this from popclient's previous maintainer out of tact.) This could also simplify matters for the LDP if they decide to standardize on this license (much as they standardize on the file formats they accept).

      You give the documentation away, and you make money by...? By what? Support of the documentation? That is, you get paid for adapting, modifying, and or re-writing the documentation? I don't think this works.
      {speculation} I assume that one would be able to charge for distribution of free documentation. I checked the license, though, and nothing is said about this (that I could find). Stallman being Stallman :), though, I suspect that this will be added. (I suspect that's why he says, "Don't use this license yet."){/speculation} This means, among other things, that one could have free documentation available online, and distribute if for a profit in dead-trees form. (Witness compilations of the LDP *HOWTOS.) There will be people who pay extra for this, and there will most likely always will be. O'Reilly published "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" along with other writings by Eric Raymond in print form. I gotta say, although I like to be able to get the documentation gratis, there is a hell of a lot to be said for a book that you can take with you and won't run out of battery power.

      However, I don't know how this will fare up against other free-documentation licenses, such as the OPL. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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  13. Re:No comments on excerpts, private use, inclusion by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 3
    Excerpts. What if a print magazine is doing an article on Widgets, and wants to quote two paragraphs from the GDL'd Widgets Manual. Is it possible? Does the Magazine have to GDL itself? GDL that article? Since the magazine has a circulation of >100 does that have an impact?
    The magazine would not need special permission, as the quote would be "fair use" under copyright law. The situation is -- seen from the viewpoint of the Magazine -- identical to books under an ordinary proprietary license. No permission is needed to quote short, relevant pieces from these either.
    Private use. Some guy wants to take a whole GDL document, modify it with his comments and give it to the 115 people in his lecture class. Does he also have to give them floppies since the distribution is > 100?
    Making 115 copies are unblikely to be considered fair use, so he would have to make the modified book available to the student in electronic form.
    Inclusions. Some guy is writing a GDL'd document and wants to include a longish section of a non-GDL'd document. Is this illegal, as it would be with code under GPL? Suppose I want to quote a large chunk of text that is genuinely public domain. Does the license now infect that text in other places?
    It will not affect the text in other places (like the GPL doesn't infect code in other places). That is copyright law again.

    Including public domain text should be safe, but I'm not sure about other licenses. It would be ironic if you could not include GPL'ed code (beyond fair use) in a GDL'ed manual.

  14. Some PostScript is inscrutable, Frame for eg. by georgeha · · Score: 2

    PostScript varies in its transparency, and the PostScript used to describe a documentation will probably be generated by software (instead of handcoded) and will be opaque.

    The PostScript I handcode is easily understood, but since it's just to make tape and CD covers, it's very basic, a bunch of lineto's, fonts and shows. For example:

    %!PS
    0 setgray
    1.5 setlinewidth
    72 72 moveto
    436 72 lineto
    436 416 lineto
    72 416 lineto
    72 72 lineto
    stroke
    /Americana findfont 18 scalefont setfont
    108 382 moveto
    (Grateful Dead) show
    108 358 moveto
    (11/11/73 Ip IIp) show
    /Americana findfont 12 scalefont setfont
    120 334 moveto
    (Ip) show
    108 318 moveto
    (Weather Report Suite Prelude>) show
    108 302 moveto
    (Weather Report Suite Part 1>) show
    108 286 moveto
    (Let It Grow) show
    120 270 moveto
    (IIp) show
    108 254 moveto
    (Noodling>) show
    108 238 moveto
    (Dark Star>) show
    108 222 moveto
    (Mind Left Body Jam>) show
    108 206 moveto
    (Eyes of the World>) show
    108 190 moveto
    (China Doll) show
    showpage

    You don't even need to know PostScript to get the gist of what I'm doing.

    At the other end of the readability scale are the desktop publishing packages. In PostScript I've seen from Frame (IIRC), each letter was individually placed, and most of the PostScript commands were redefined, so instead of something nearly transparent like:

    108 238 moveto
    (Dark Star>) show

    You would get something like the following (I don't want to bother finding a copy of Frame to verify):

    108 238 mt
    (D) sh
    109 238 mt
    (a) sh
    110 238 mt
    (r) sh
    111 238 mt
    (k) sh

    and so on, and so on. I think the reason they call out each letter individually is for letter by letter placement, Frame decides the typography instead of the PostScript interpreter of the printer.

    I guess I can understand the GPL requirements now, most desktop publishers generate opaque PostScript.

    George

  15. Re:Where's the proof? by Jonas+�berg · · Score: 3
    I didn't think I was going to need proof. But if you so desperately want it, this is the message that he sent to me and the other GNU webmasters.

    From: Richard Stallman
    Subject: doc license
    To: webmasters
    Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:17:51 -0700 (MST)

    Please do not put up the doc license yet.
    A few last minute details have come up.

  16. Re:Finally some stuff that matters! :) by coats · · Score: 2
    ...Aren't things posted publically public domain unless stated so? ...
    No, IANAL, but:

    Works are automatically copyright to their authors as soon as they are "fixed in tangible form", unless

    1. the author is the government; or
    2. there is an explicit and written declaration that they are in the public domain.

    The author is the "obvious" one (the person composing the work), unless it is a "work for hire", which means that either

    1. it was specifically commissioned in writing; or
    2. its creation was part of one's normal work-tasks for one's employer.

    For further info, you can read the Copyright Act (as well as the entire US Code and lots of other stuff) at Cornell's Legal Information Institute, URL http://fatty.law.cornell.edu/ .

    META: Why is the link getting stripped out? Has something changed, or am I doing something wrong here?

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  17. Verion 1.0 or any later version? by Vic · · Score: 2

    ...Version 1.0 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation...

    I've always found this a bit odd with the GPL, and now the FDL. What happens if an item in the license changes, which the author/coder no longer agrees with?

  18. Opaque and such... by Christopher+B.+Brown · · Score: 2
    The very cool thing (at least from my perspective!) is that some of the phrasing in there is mine. Originally, RMS had it worded as "SGML or XML," but that leaves things open to abuse if the DTD isn't disclosed. (Think "Word 2000, XML Version.")

    At any rate, the point to "compilation copyright" and the "title page" stuff is that the goal is to provide a way of combining several requirements, including:

    • Providing authors with some right to acknowledgement of their authorship
    • Providing an ability to modify documents, but requiring some attribution of changes
    • Some reasonable ways to include "GDLed" documents with non-GDLed documents to create a collection

    The net result can't be completely "clean."

    As for "compilation copyright," the point of that is that a collection of documents can be copyrighted even if the components aren't. For instance, a phone book consists largely of a list of names of people and their phone numbers. The individual components aren't copyrighted, but the collection or "compilation" of them is.

    In the same way, William Shakespeare's works are long out of copyright, but if I make a book that includes the plays along with some of my own commentary, the collection may become copyrighted, and you can only make copies at my sufferance.

    The relevance is that there are vendors that put together collections of things like HOWTOs, and the GDL needs to have some rules to indicate how it interacts with the needs of such "collections.."

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  19. No perfect answers by Christopher+B.+Brown · · Score: 3
    Yes, it's a bit vague. It's probably not enforceable from the perspective of a court of law.

    The other problem is that there are all sorts of possible pathological cases.

    For instance, Postscript is described as an "Opaque" format, but supposing someone follows the dictums of TINYDICT, and writes their documents in raw Postscript, then despite the fact that Postscript is usually considered "Opaque," it is, in fact, the "Transparent" form.

    That's probably the most pathological (and perverse-sounding) case, and is one that I brought up in some discussions on the license last year.

    HTML is a necessarily ambiguous form.

    • Many people do write documentation directly in HTML.

      In such a case, HTML is the "most transparent form available."

    • On the other hand, if I write documentation using DocBook/SGML, and generate HTML from that, the "transparent" form is quite clearly DocBook.

    In practice, I don't think this will be a big problem. After all, am I likely to sue someone for releasing "freely," under the "GDL," some documentation in a form that I don't much like? I think not...

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  20. Fair use still applies. by Frater+219 · · Score: 2
    What if a print magazine is doing an article on Widgets, and wants to quote two paragraphs from the GDL'd Widgets Manual. Is it possible? Does the Magazine have to GDL itself? GDL that article? Since the magazine has a circulation of >100 does that have an impact?
    Not in my (non-lawyerly) opinion. Such a quote in a review would be covered under the "fair use doctrine" regardless of which license the original text was distributed under.

    Some guy wants to take a whole GDL document, modify it with his comments and give it to the 115 people in his lecture class. Does he also have to give them floppies since the distribution is > 100?
    Would it be legal for him to photocopy the entire contents of a (proprietary) book and hand them out? No. If he distributes the GDLed document in that kind of quantity, he needs to go to the awful, terrible difficulty of mirroring it on his Web site and handing out the URL along with the document.

    Some guy is writing a GDL'd document and wants to include a longish section of a non-GDL'd document. Is this illegal, as it would be with code under GPL?
    If you are writing a document to release under GDL, you may include in it anything you could legally include in a document for publication. Without the permission of the author of the included section, you would be restricted to quoting for "fair use" purposes and in "fair use" lengths. With the permission of that author, you can do whatever s/he allows you to.

    Suppose I want to quote a large chunk of text that is genuinely public domain. Does the license now infect that text in other places?
    No. Nothing can be taken out of the public domain. However, you have no obligation to tell your readers that that chunk of text is in the public domain. If someone used it elsewhere under a proprietary license and you sued them, you would lose if they could prove it was in the public domain before you printed it.

    I hope this clears things up a bit.

  21. Comments as a published documentation author by georgeha · · Score: 4

    Well, I just had my first documentation book published (not counting inhouse software manuals), the Samba Administrator's Handbook, ISBN 0-7645-4636-8) so I thought I'd make a few comments from an author's viewpoint.

    I'd really like to see the incentive model for writing free documentation. Programmers do free software for fun and fame. That's their compensation. Writing documentation, however, is not fun, and also doesn't give one any brownie points in the community. Writing documentation is just plain hard work. What's the compensation for that work?

    Writing is work, boring and tedious, I spent a lot of nights writing when I'd have rather been snuggling with my honey, playing with daughter, building Lego, surfing the web or even configuring my Linux boxes.

    I don't think I've gotten any brownie points in the community, though the 5 star review on Amazon was nice. I haven't gotten any book related email either, and I'm not hard to track down (the joy of having a unique last name).

    Financially I've done alright though, the advance helped me buy my house.

    Also, book writing (even large books) is still a one-person show (as opposite to software writing).

    Or a two or three person show, but I get your gist. You don't have 20 member teams writing books.

    And if the book you write is good, you can easily make some money out of it. So what is the incentive to give it away? You get credit for software by the community. As a documentation writer, no one even remembers your name in the community. So going to a traditional publisher seems a more natural way for one, in terms of money, as well as fame. And if you don't trust traditional publishers (or don't find one), you can still publish your work yourself.

    I could publish any book myself I wanted to, but the printing costs would probably astronomical (unless I used the production printers at work), the distribution costs would be astronomical, and forget getting my books to a brick and mortar bookstore, at the moment, if you want a wide audience for a dead tree book, you probably need to work with a publisher.

    Once you do work with a publisher, you can't just write any book you want to. You need to sell your concept to them, submit sample chapters, compromise on what they want to publish, it becomes more of a collaborative effort than one person blindly dumping 400 pages of Word files to the publisher.

    It was an interesting time, certainly an ego trip to see my name on Amazon, but I don't think I would do it again for free, the non-financial rewards wouldn't justify all the time and effort.

    George

  22. Not necessarily a good thing by Tassach · · Score: 3
    First of all let me say that, for the most part, I support RMS's & the FSF's ideals and the concept that "information wants to be free." However, I see several potential problems with this license.

    The main problem with GPL'ed software in general is the question "how can I make a living writing free software." Companies like Red Hat, Caldera, and the rest of the Linux start-ups answer this question by providing technical support for a fee. However, not all programs lend themselves to this economic model. While it may be appropriate for complex software like operating systems and server programs, it is not nearly as feasable for desktop applications -- particuarly if they are very intuitive and user-friendly. A program that's easy to use won't need much in terms of tech support.

    Besides providing support services, historically the only other significant way open-source programmers have been able to support themselves directly is to write & sell books. (ESR and Larry Wall spring to mind as examples of this model of compensation).

    As a programmer, I'd hate to think that after putting hundreds or thousands of hours of my time into writing an open-source program, the only way I could make any money would be thru banner ads and selling tee shirts and stuffed toys. If I wanted to sell souvineers for a living, I wouln't have busted my ass getting an engineering degree. When you pour your blood, sweat, and tears into somthing, you deserve to be rewarded for your effort. If ego gratification is enough of a reward for you, that's fine; but remember that even the most altrustic programmer still needs to provide for himself and his family.

    The problem with the free documentation licence is , like the GPL, it has a "viral" nature. Let's suppose I write program foo and release it under the GPL, then release a basic user's manual under the FDL. Because of the viral nature of the FDL, I could not then go write a book (foo In A Nutshell) that expands on the FDL'ed documentation. Strictly interpreted, even quoting a single line of FDL'ed text could render the entire new document FDL'ed. Even paraphrasing the original text might not be enough to get it out from under the FDL, given the translation clause.

    Look at the Declaration of Independence : because it's in the public domain, anyone can publish a copy of the DoI without restriction. However, if I take the DoI and intersperse it with a line-by-line analysis of what it means, this derivitive work is fully copyrightable. However, if I did the same thing with a FDL'ed document, I would have to give up all rights to the new work, regardless of if I wanted to or not. I should have the freedom to decide how to assign my intellectual property rights.

    Tim O'Reilly has done some great things for the open-source community, has made a good bit of money doing it, and has helped many open-source programmers, and has given a lot back to the community. But even a publisher as open-minded at O'Riley & Assc. would have to think twice about publishing a book that could be copied & resold by anyone.


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    1. Re:Not necessarily a good thing by Frater+219 · · Score: 2
      Let's suppose I write program foo and release it under the GPL, then release a basic user's manual under the FDL. Because of the viral nature of the FDL, I could not then go write a book (foo In A Nutshell) that expands on the FDL'ed documentation. Strictly interpreted, even quoting a single line of FDL'ed text could render the entire new document FDL'ed. Even paraphrasing the original text might not be enough to get it out from under the FDL, given the translation clause.
      No, that's not correct. If you are the copyright holder -- the original author, or someone to whom the original author has given or sold the copyright -- then you can re-license the work under any license you like. Placing a program under the GPL does not restrict you from later licensing it under (for instance) the Artistic License as well (as Wall & co. have done with Perl) -- similarly, placing a document under the GDL does not restrict you from later releasing it under other licenses, even proprietary ones.

      The exception would be if you accept GDLed contributions from others and include them in your document. If you write the "User's Guide to the Foobar System" and release it under GDL, and then I write some new sections for that document and give them to you under GDL for inclusion, then you cannot later re-license the whole document (your and my work together) under another license without my permission. (Similarly, Linus alone could not re-license the Linux kernel -- because it has lots of other people's work in it, and they submitted that work to Linus under the GPL.) This means that as the number of contributors to a GPL or GDL project gets larger, it gets much, much harder to re-license it -- and that's how it should be, to make sure nobody's work is made proprietary without his/her consent.

  23. What about edition 2? by tilly · · Score: 2

    Using 2 licenses is fine for a first edition, but the second edition should include corrections and additions submitted to the online documentation from third parties, that gets more complicated...

    Cheers,
    Ben

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  24. Recursive License by gargle · · Score: 2

    So does the GNU Free documentation license use the GNU Free documentation license? We can have the world's first recursive license.

    P.S Ok, apparently it doesn't. bah.