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AOL + Time-Warner Worse Than Microsoft?

Several friends turned us on to this article at the Online Journalism Review [OJR] that says the combination of AOL and Time-Warner may lead to an information monopoly more dangerous than Microsoft's desktop OS monopoly. The article focuses on political power, but I believe another big danger of the AOL/Time-Warner merger is that it will stifle development of innovative, non-mainstream Web sites. (continued)

A quote from the OJR article: "Never in the history of news publishing has one company held such extensive power over what we see and hear as does AOL in the wake of the Time-Warner deal."

Have you looked at AOL's main page lately? I don't mean the one at aol.com, but the one AOL members see when they log on. If you're a Linux user, the answer is obviously "no" unless you borrow a friend's computer (and AOL account), because AOL doesn't allow Linux folks to access their system. Like blind people, we're pariahs in AOL-land. Remember that AOL boasts about their "exclusive content" constantly; I saw yet another TV commercial last night that told me this. Like it or not, AOL has become as vital a part of modern American culture as Judge Judy, and it might be nice to check in now and then to see what kind of online experience AOL's (claimed) 22 million users are getting. It's sad that I can't do this unless I choose to use a proprietary operating system, which I don't.

But I'm far more worried about the Time-Warner side of the business than I am about AOL's willingness to exclude Linux users, handicapped people, and others who don't fit into their mass-market mold. Talk about a machine to influence public opinion! Movies, books, CNN, music, a bunch of influential magazines, cable TV systems all over the country! In his day, newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst was considered by many to be more powerful than the U.S. president, and he didn't have a fraction of the information control Time-Warner has now.

It's easy to forget that Slashdot is a niche Web site with comparatively few readers by AOL/Time-Warner standards. Wired, Salon, Slate, and CNN.com all claim more readers than Slashdot. So do The Washington Post, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, USAToday, and every single one of Time-Warner's magazines. More people are interested in celebrity gossip (People magazine's stock in trade) than in news about Open Source Software and ever-faster microprocessors. Time covers events that are interesting to more people than new game releases for Linux. An interview with someone like Leon Lederman or Steve Wozniak may be hot stuff to you and me, but the overwhelming majority of the world's population would rather read about Bill Clinton or Leonardo DiCaprio. Indeed, I doubt that a statistically significant percentage of Americans -- let alone citizens of other countries -- have even heard of most of the people we mention on Slashdot. And this is why Slashdot would never have grown and prospered under Time-Warner's thumb.

The section of Time-Warner's online empire for which I used to write was Netly News, the company's attempt to put out a WWW publication aimed at "hip" Internet users instead of at the general public. It got about 100,000 steady readers, which was not bad back in the "old" 'net-days of 1996 and 1997. But 100,000 readers was a tiny number in Time-Warner's eyes. Josh Quittner and Noah Robischon, who ran Netly News back then, never could get Time's marketing and ad sales people interested in promoting their little publication because Time's business people were used to readerships measured in round millions, not in thousands or hundreds of thousands. So Time decided Netly was a failure and let it die a quiet death in early 1998, not out of ideological concerns but because it simply wasn't popular enough to meet their "success" criteria.

My personal fear of giant corporate voices controlling the Internet as a news medium is based not only on their potential political influence, but also on their ability to stifle innovation online. Do you think Rob Malda and Jeff Bates would ever have been allowed to do their schtick on AOL or through Time-Warner? Would Time-Warner have tolerated -- let alone supported -- freshmeat? What about other sites that cover Linux and Open Source news, like Linux Today, Linux Weekly News, Linux.com, and all the rest? What about even smaller, more "niche" sites like osOpinion, Technocrat.net, and 32bitsonline.com?

All of these sites, put together, don't attract enough readers to get a Time ad salesperson interested in actively marketing them. In Time's world, ad campaigns start at the $100,000 level and go up from there, and it really takes $1 million or more to get Time's corporate ears to perk up in any significant way. Web publishing, on the AOL/Time-Warner level, is like music or movies; they are interested in producing big hits and only big hits, and anything they don't feel they can make into a million-seller is going to be ignored.

It is true that AOL and Time-Warner will probably never be able to control the Web's content as tightly as Microsoft controls the desktop operating system market. But by making "their" information easier to find and access than information "they" don't control, and adding in the cross-promotion potential available to a company that has interests in everything from movie production to chat servers, within the next few years we could easily see a world where 95% of all Web users only access 5% of everything that's potentially available online. And if that 5% is controlled by a single giant, mass-market media conglomerate -- or even by two or three like-thinking, mass-market conglomerates -- the next generation of bright youngsters who have innovative Web site ideas will never get a chance to build a Slashdot-style following, no matter what operating system they use.

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  1. The problem with your argument... by JetJaguar · · Score: 4

    is that you are arguing for the lowest common denominator. If that's the market that AOL, Microsoft, ABC, whatever want to go for, that's fine with me. However, these companies have to respect my right to go elsewhere if they don't meet my needs.

    Here's where things get sticky though, what happens when these companies going after the LCM buy up everything. I no longer have any choice, I am stuck with whatever these conglomerants choose to give me, and I'm supposed to say "Thank you sir, may I have another!" Sorry, but I'm not going to play that game.

    Also, it is with the utmost of arrogance that these big companies try to pigeon hole everyone into their little one-size-fits-all packages. AOL and Microsoft are big offenders here. Who died and made them the arbiters of what is supposed to be friendly and easier to use? I for one will vote that AOL is not friendly nor is it easy to use. In fact, AOL is just a big pain in the neck to use, and they have the absolute worst email client I have ever had the displeasure of having to use in a pinch. And I have similar complaints about MS software. Personally I think the "ease of use/simplicity argument" is pretty weak. It may be simple in some contexts, but certainly not in mine. I feel I have the right to access any available content by whatever means is most efficient for me in the situation I'm in. By forcing me into some canned interface that doesn't suit my needs makes me inefficient and costs me time and money.

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  2. Hypocrisy of Slashdotters by RayChuang · · Score: 4

    What I find sad about the entire discussion on the AOL/Time-Warner merger is that in the zeal of Slashdot regulars to dismember Microsoft, they have implicitly ignored what could the world's most frightening corporate entity EVER.

    I mean look at AOL Time Warner's assets:

    1. 23 million worldwide users of AOL and CompuServe--not a small group of users.

    2. Time-Life Publishing, one of the world's most influential group of general-interest magazine publishers (Time, Sports Illustrated, Fortune, and others).

    3. Warner Brothers movie studio, a major player in movie production.

    4. The WB Network, an increasingly powerful TV network with both prime time and children's programming.

    5. Warner Music, one of the most influential musical labels in the world.

    6. The CNN cable channels, with CNN, CNN Headline News, CNNfn and CNN/SI.

    7. TBS Superstation, TNT and Turner Classic Movies cable channels.

    8. HBO Networks, with its multichannel premium cable channel offerings plus TVKO pay-per-view programming.

    9. Time-Warner Cable, the second largest cable operator outside of AT&T Cable Services (neé TCI Cable).

    10. Roadrunner, a broadband Internet service provider using the Time-Warner Cable infrastructure.

    11. DC Comics, a major and influential comics publisher.

    12. Hanna-Barbera animation studio (and its massive animation film library).

    13. The world's largest movie film library, no contest.

    I'm sure there are other assets I haven't mentioned, but just these ten parts of AOL Time Warner have _enormous_ influence on what we read in magazines, what we see in the movie theater and on TV programming, what we hear in music and soon what we can read on the Internet. This is the type of media control that William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer could not imagine in their lifetimes and it makes the fictional Elliot Carver from the James Bond movie TOMORROW NEVER DIES seem not as far-fetched as some people think.

    In short, it has the very prospect of stifling free expression itself. The very possibility that unless it is approved by AOL Time Warner or it won't be shown is no longer a fantasy.

    AOL Time Warner, in short, will make the power of Microsoft over desktop operating systems seem like a minor incident in comparison.

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    Raymond in Mountain View, CA
  3. Re:I don't buy it... by crush · · Score: 4

    I don't buy this for a second. How many sources of media and news did people then have compared to now? I would argue that they have _many_ more now. ,

    Pretty hard to prove this one way or another. There were initially a lot of small, local town newspapers not controlled by Hearst. There were many more independent publishers of books at that time. Now a vast majority of stuff is published by subsidiary companies of Bertelsmann (now a subsidiary of AOL). I don't know if you appreciate the scale of it, but publishers like Random House are part of the Bertelsmann group.

    Here's a question: Did TW ever try and influence how _you_ wrote your articles? Just because AOL owns CNN doesn't mean they can dictate what the reporters say and do, for the most part. I would argue that the integrity of Wolf Blitzer, Christian Amanpour, etc. will not be changed, and that if some corporation tried to control how they did their job they would scream bloody murder[...]If I don't like the way CNN is reporting, I'll change the channel. I guarantee you that CNN and NBC/CBS/ABC/etc. aren't all conspiring with AOL.

    Most people are at least partially aware of the subtle pressure of not criticizing your boss, plus once you've talked yourself into working for some company you either reach a mental accomodation with that (read become compromised) or else you never saw anything wrong with them in the first place. And who wants to destroy the company that's providing their salary? It's a self regulating system. The other alternative is that you're very unhappy in your job and eventually leave it and do something else.

    You seem to be arguing both that reporters are never inhibited about being critical about their own employers and that there are alternatives anyway.

    The last point seems to ignore that there is at the least a gradual building of a behemoth that did not exist before. You are being carefree about the fact that this new diverse territory is being steadily coalesced into a single entity. I worry about this because I think it should be possible that the middle-of-the-road, straight-white, family-values, McDonald's-munchin', Disney-lovin' AOL users may occasionally once in a blue moon want to think about something outside the bounds of his/her usual life. I want there to be alternatives for that person to look at. But if the AOL search-engines and filters decide that /. is a site that caters to commie-linux-faggots and is blocked then they won't get to find it. They'll find the Reformed Baptist Ministry of Sacred Truth portal to WindowsChoices instead (5% of banner revenue contributed automatically to the Bush 2005 Campaign for A Better America).

    I don't know how to take your guarantee. I don't believe that conspiracies are the only way of control being imposed. There can be tacit agreement between people with similar interests. They may bicker among each other fighting to be top of their own group. But ultimately they act in concert against those outside that group. Look at the example of Stephen Dunifer (sp?) with the micro-radio movement (Radio Free Berkeley) and the unified front presented against him by the commercial radio stations.

  4. Emblematic of a larger problem by babbage · · Score: 4
    There was a statistic a few years ago that all of the world's media (& most of its industrial output) was controled by about half a dozen mega conglomerates -- General Electric, etc. I haven't seen a follow up on this, but the leadin article asserts it could come down to 2 or 3, and that number seems to fit the trend.

    This is absolutely unacceptable.

    The ability to distribute information through the population is critical to the maintainence and control of society, and allowing it to come into the hands of those whose stated purpose is making shareholders (i.e. not regular people, workers, the environment, etc) happy can only be dangerous.

    Implicitly, if that one party gets control over things, the rest of us tend to get screwed over -- after all, they are looking after their interests, not yours and mine. Why would they bother to do anything that helps the other 90% of the American and 99% of the global population, unless maybe it happens to be as a side effect of an activity that is otherwise purely profitable to themselves.

    The mass media are already too homogenous. It's bread & circuses all over again: we get fed a steady diet of nothing worth watching, and not enough people are complaining about it. And while, yes, the digital new media are somewhat immune to the influence of the old media, still the danger is present.

    We really can't ignore this or allow it to go unchecked. Read up. Read Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent". Listen to Disposeable Heroes of Hiphoprisy's Drug of a Nation. Watch C-Span rather than Jerry Springer; Adbusters rather (or in additon to ;-) Slashdot; wave signs, write letters, make web pages, consider civil disobedience and acts of anarchy a la "Fight Club" -- but whatever you do, fight back and make a difference.

    We need it, badly. We're on the wrong track these days...

    I'd write more, and more cogently, but I'm too tired right now...



  5. Don't forget Project Censored by sumana · · Score: 4
    Project Censored gets scarier and scarier every year. As the big businesses conglomerate into empires that, incidentally, own the mass media, some very disturbing stuff never gets reported on national TV or in big or medium newspapers.

    Every year this project lists "the news that didn't make the news" -- stuff Noam Chomsky would shake his head at and say, "See, I told you so."

    The 1999 top-ten list (I think they do 50 overall, with a special section in the yearly book for "junk food/fluff news" that got overreported):

    Multinational Corporations Profit from International Brutality

    2 Pharmaceutical Companies Put Profits Before Need

    3 Financially Bloated American Cancer Society Fails to Prevent Cancer

    4 American Sweatshops Sew U.S. Military Uniforms

    5 Turkey Destroys Kurdish Villages with U.S. Weapons

    6 NATO Defends Private Economic Interests in the Balkans

    7 U.S. Media Reduces Foreign Coverage

    8 Planned Weapons in Space Violate International Treaty

    9 Louisiana Promotes Toxic Racism

    10 The U.S. and NATO Deliberately Started the War with Yugoslavia

    I actually had dinner with the guy who's head of this, Peter Philips. He's angry in a constructive way, and reading Project Censored makes me feel like I should be, too.

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  6. It isn't size that matters... by dbarclay10 · · Score: 4

    It isn't the size of a company that makes it good or bad. It's not even the amount of power it has. Whether a company is good or bad depends on what it DOES with that size and power. Microsoft shut out competition, snowed customers, and screwed governments. We have to wait and see what AOL/Time-Warner does before we can make a judegement, if any.

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    Barclay family motto:
    Aut agere aut mori.
    (Either action or death.)
  7. "Information seeks to be found." by jerdenn · · Score: 4
    Roblimo,

    You raise a good point - however, early in your article you state that AOL-Time Warner is unlikely to be interested in niche markets such as Slashdot, or blind-enabled web pages. It is the lack of availability in distinct informational markets that will keep niche players like Slashdot alive.

    You go on to close with:

    "And if that 5% is controlled by a single giant, mass-market media conglomerate ... the next generation of bright youngsters who have innovative Web site ideas will never get a chance to build a Slashdot-style following, no matter what operating system they use. "

    This is antithetical to your earlier claim. If AOL-Time isn't interested in small markets, other players will be. Slashdot is a perfect example. Even my non-tech friends frequent off-beat websites that fill particular informational needs.

    An oft quoted line in this forum is "Information seeks to be free". An appropriate corallary might be "Information seeks to be found."

    Actually, more that a drowning out of the 'little voices', I'm frightened of the dribble that is fed into the minds of Joe Q. Public. We'll see the 'televisation' of the Web, with that 95% of accessed content being of similar quality to the nightly news or inane sitcoms.

    (As an aside, I live in Atlanta, and our news mostly consists of half-baked, 20-second sound bites taken completely out of context... I've noticed that there is a marked decline in news quality in bigger cities. Am I alone in noticing this?)

    Hey, it's just my USD$.02

    jerdenn

  8. More info about AOL by Money__ · · Score: 4

    For those of you wondering just who AOL is http://www.corp.aol.com/ has a lot of information, including: SEC filings.
    company timeline.
    These Finacial Discolsures are informative.
    This little animated GIF is a good start on learning just how many pies they have their fingers in.
    Who owns the most AOL?
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  9. Then this is a call to arms, isn't it? by tpaine · · Score: 4

    The basic tenet of the hacker ethic is that information wants to be free. AOL-Timer Warner sounds like the Levittown of online services, designed for people too stupid to own a computer or too young to be allowed to surf the real web (like my kids are) or too afraid and insecure or just plain inexperienced to deal with the difficult mechanics of clicking a link or watching to see when IE or Netscape gives them the finger to indicate when they're over a link. There are always going to be more readers of AOL than Slashdot, just as there will always be more readers of USA Today than "Brill's Content" or "Scientific American" or even the Washington Post. If you were to find thinking people in America and ask them who they trust for depth and accuracy and insight, I bet USA Today would rank far down the list. Ditto with AOL. Slickly packaged mush will always appeal to the booboisie, because they often lack the intellectual teeth to tackle anything more. However, there will always be market for edgy, serious, and unconventional media ... for example, Web sites for people who don't need training wheels anymore.

  10. Re:True...but... by rotten_ · · Score: 4

    Bullshit, the search engines 'bubble' certain sites up to the top, not because they really match what you want, but because some big company pays yahoo or excite or whathaveyou to make it happen. Most people don't look past the first few hits, if even the first page of hits. So a company can buy its way to the top, pushing other (most likely more relivent sites) down...which the average user won't even bother to see.

    Actually, while this is true for services such as Yahoo, where it is a directory, more then a actual search engine, this is not entirely true for other engines.

    Altavista, for example offers its 'real name' service, that if a user puts "Joe's Widgets" it will return the "Joe's Widgets Worldwide, Inc." homepage.

    Ask Jeeves is a whore to corporate marketing, that much is true. We're definately at the mercy of the AJ staff as far as content that is given priority--but even then its just priority, and we're still given the rest of the search results.

    As far as I know Google doesn't offer any such bubbling services, and for that reason among others (simple, straight-forward and accurate searching) is becoming extremely popular.

    But what isn't commonly known is that the number one item that determines priority, or will put a search result to the top on a spidering engine is the number of links that outside sites have linking to it. So by defintion, the 'most popular' sites will come to the top--and this is usually what you want.

    The interesting implication of this is the populus has a lot of control over this. On our personal homepages, posted personal bookmarks etc., we 'vote' for what pages will be listed at the top. So sites that have exceptional content, using the current search engine model will have priority over the best 'evil-empire' built site, unless the Evil Empire Inc., goes out and buys priority from all the search engines. And if this happens too much, search engines will loose a lot of credibility--take Altavista for example: how many of us still use it as our primary search engine? Google has filled the niche for people who like the power of Altavista's search engine, but don't like the bullshit Doubleclick ads all over the place, the RealNames, them trying to be a 'portal', etc (all stuff they started doing after they got sold off).

    So I'd say that those are some pretty clear examples of how competition has flourished even in the midst of (albiet smaller) 'corporate entitites' trying to modify information access and priority.

    -k

  11. Slashdot elitism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    If there's one thing you can count on Slashdot to be, it's elitist. All of us like to think we're so much better than anyone else it makes me sick. Some sample /. reactions to articles:

    article about GNOME/KDE: "If they can't figure out a command line every once in a while, why should they be using Linux? And do they really even need a computer?"

    article about the US: "Well, screw the US anyway. They're stupid and backwards and Europe's so much better and thank God I don't live there any more. Too many idiots."

    anything by Jon Katz: "SHUT UP! YOU SUCK! But you're right that geeks are fundamentally better than everyone else and are persecuted for it."

    Add this to the fundamentally Libertarian / Objectivist / "if things were fair I'd be at the top of the heap because I'm better than most people" attitude and the rampant bragging about IQ's (you know who you are, all of you "my IQ is 160+" people) in any story that talks about intelligence, and you've got one hell of a scary picture.

    If this is how the people who run the information technology that our society depends on feel, how humane can we count on them being? I, personally, wouldn't trust the Slashdot community further than I could throw it.

  12. True...but... by dougman · · Score: 5

    The 'net will never be totally consumed by corporate media.

    Unless the corporate media buy all the major search engines on the 'net.

    And even if they did, new ones would crop up.

    You see, the vast majority of WWW users surf. They type phrases into search engines, and click on the results. As long as someone will be able to see slashdot.org, or my site, or some other independent site, we'll exist, and more people will publish independent sites.

    Yes, the number of non-savvy folks out there who never even make it past the front page/portal/AOL experience will never see us, but that's okay.

    If part of being independent IS being independent, we don't need EVERYONE, especially all the newbies, tuning in anyway.

    Just my 2 cents.

    1. Re:True...but... by plague3106 · · Score: 5

      Bullshit, the search engines 'bubble' certain sites up to the top, not because they really match what you want, but because some big company pays yahoo or excite or whathaveyou to make it happen. Most people don't look past the first few hits, if even the first page of hits. So a company can buy its way to the top, pushing other (most likely more relivent sites) down...which the average user won't even bother to see.

  13. False choice is no choice at all by maynard · · Score: 5
    [Sorry if this gets posted twice, I recieved an error on the first attempt]

    I don't buy this for a second. How many sources of media and news did people then have compared to now? I would argue that they have _many_ more now.

    Without a doubt many more publications under many new names are available to the consuming public today than previously. However, if one checks the corporate ownership of these various publications one notices a single fact about almost all: they are almost all owned by as few as nine media conglomerates, worldwide. From FAIR's webpage (Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting) here are several sources for this assertion:
    This is only a few links from The Corporate Ownership page, which was itself a link from the primary Media Woes page, containing links to discussions on the limited range of acceptable debate (something Noam Chompsky wrote a whole book about, see: Manufacturing Consent), significant advertiser and corporate ownership influence, manipulation of debate by pressure groups, and PR as news (how simple corporate press releases get prime news coverage without even basic fact checking).

    The news media is an absolute mess... and frankly if it were not for the net I think we should expect even greater limitations in the range of acceptable debate and discourse throughout society. The net threatens the media conglomerates because it allows individuals to shift the debate not only away from what's acceptable to the power elite, but even worse: away from advertising influence, which is the whole point behind a unified corporate media -- shove those ads down our throats and get us to buy crap we wouldn't otherwise even consider. For this reason it's reasonable to fear a Time Warner/AOL merger simply because it represents not just more media power consolidating into fewer conglomerate corporations, but because it represents the largest ISP merging with one of the largest Media Conglomerates. If they succeed in controlling the individual expression of users and content distributors while monopolizing Internet access they will succeed in stripping the Internet of it's primary benefit to society at large.

    I note that without organizations like FAIR, and a free press unhindered by corporate pressure, advertising pressure, and government pressure no one would know about stories like this: Government Psychological Warfare operatives work as interns at CNN News, and thus no one would have forced CNN to explain themselves with this statement. That's right, our government had five PSYOPS personel working directly in CNN's Newsroom and NOT A SINGLE PRIMARY NEWS OUTLET HAS EVER PUBLISHED THIS STORY!

    Pretty scary, huh?
  14. Observations by SteveM · · Score: 5

    There are currently two trends with respect to media companies, consolidation and fragmentation.

    AOL-TW is just one of a number of mergers. Yet at the same time we see the barriers to entery droping. /. was started and run by a couple of guys in college. Digital video is lowering the cost of moving making (think Blair Witch). Internet radio has lower start up and running costs than traditional radio, and no frequency constraints. MP3s and such allow musicians to cut out the RIAA middle men.

    Speaking of the RIAA, as /. readers are well aware, they and the MPAA are fighting very hard to maintain the status quo.

    This combination of fragmentation and consoidation can be seen in a number of areas. Newspaper reading continues to decline while web surfing is increasing. Network TV viewing is down, cable viewing is up. Yet TV networks are seen as valuable properties. And newspaper companies are investing in other newspapers, while providing free web access. A curious allocation of resources.

    It will be interesting to see how these two trends play out. I'm routing for fragmentation and choice.

    That said the problems of consolidation are real. Here in the US (and I suspect in most democracies) public opinion does matter. And the fact that AOL-TW controls and/or can influence where people get their info frightens me.

    In addition to the problems associated with the large media conglomerates controling the access to and the content of information I see two other problems.

    The first has to do with self censorship by reporters and journalists. While big the big names will be able to resist pressure to toe the company line, it could be a different story for the unknowns with no reputation to protect them. Consider a reporter just out of journalism school, with a family to support, a mortage to pay off, student loans, etc. Writing or even pursuing a story unflattering to the corporate parent could be seen as career suicide. So they don't, rationalizing that their new baby is more important then a story. Soon these stories never even reach concious awareness.

    No one told this reporter not to persue these stories. But perceived self interest leads to self censorship.

    The second problem has to do with perceived conflicts of interest. If Time has a story about AOL, would you believe it? (How about if Microsft commissions a poll about Windows?) If it is flattering then the fix is in. If it is unflattering it's just Time trying to show its independence. Either way the motives are suspect.

    Finally these mega mergers lead to a very bland media landscape, since as noted by Roblimo they are going after mass markets. Has anyone noticed how similar the news shows on the networks are. Not just the nightly news but the news magazines and the morning shows as well. How many mob shows are on tap now that The Sopranos is a hit? How many Mars movies are out or in production? And where are all the fresh new musical acts? As an information and entertainment consumer I am very much pro choice.

    I've rambled on long enough, and I'll leave it to someone else to explore the problems of a fragmented media landscape.

    Steve M

  15. I don't buy it... by LLatson · · Score: 5

    >In his day, newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst was considered by many to be more powerful than the U.S. President, and he didn't have a fraction of the information control Time-Warner has now...

    I don't buy this for a second. How many sources of media and news did people then have compared to now? I would argue that they have _many_ more now.

    >My personal fear of giant corporate voices controlling the Internet as a news medium is based not only on their potential political influence, but also on their ability to stifle innovation online. Do you think Rob Malda and Jeff Bates would ever have been allowed to do their schtick on AOL or through Time-Warner?

    No, but who says they have to? Just because AOL/TW has huge market share doesn't mean that small, independent, special-interest sites can't become successful. In fact, one could argue that AOL is contributing to their success by getting millions of users onto the net who would never have been there before.

    >The section of Time-Warner's online empire for which I used to write was Netly News...

    Here's a question: Did TW ever try and influence how _you_ wrote your articles? Just because AOL owns CNN doesn't mean they can dictate what the reporters say and do, for the most part. I would argue that the integrity of Wolf Blitzer, Christian Amanpour, etc. will not be changed, and that if some corporation tried to control how they did their job they would scream bloody murder. (Of course, there are exceptions; reporters can be pressured into which stories to write, news can be edited to give it a slant, etc. etc. One example I can think of is the whole 60 Minutes/Tobacco story recently made famous in The Insider. But note that what happened: The producer stood up for what was ethically [in his profession] right to do, and CBS had some serious egg on their faces, and they suffered for it.)

    This article strikes me as sort of Jon Katz-ish, the world is coming to an end, oh-my Big-Brother article. I don't buy any of it. If I don't like the way CNN is reporting, I'll change the channel. I guarantee you that CNN and NBC/CBS/ABC/etc. aren't all conspiring with AOL.

    LL

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    "If you are falling, dive." -Joseph Campbell
  16. Hey! by legoboy · · Score: 5

    You would almost think it is impossible for anyone to control all the quality content on the web. After all... when a million monkeys at a million keyboards can make a million websites (http://www.geocities.com), why would people need to stick to the big sites?

    Oh... Quality content. That means stuff that people want to read, right?

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    If a tree falls on an anonymous coward yelling 'first post' in the forest, does anybody hear?
  17. What's really important... by Cannonball · · Score: 5
    I think that the danger that an M$-style Trust embodies is, "You can't use a computer if you don't want to use our system." Since most of the free information that exists does so on the web and through computers, that's a much more dangerous threat. Now while that is not a danger now, due to the birth of Linux popularity, rebirth of Apple, what have you, it could've been a problem if it had gone unchecked. I'm not real sure this could happen in the Information world. Granted, pop culture (leo, bill clinton, associated idiocy, etc) is a stock of immense trade, hence the Hollywood Stock Exchange and its popularity, not to mention the oodles of websites devoted to worshipping the ground these popculture morons have spat upon, but the point is thus: Specialized information cannot be found at these pop-cul portals. You need someplace, ostensibly like Slashdot, to provide these things. As long as we can prevent the loss of the Slashdots, the 2-pop.coms and other such expert level sites, we're out of the woods and we've done our own anti-trust action. So if you're worried about AOL/TimeWarner, don't buy into their hype. Someone will always be there to disseminate this copyrighted broadcast to the masses.

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    So there I was. Naked. In a refrigerator. With a potroast on my knees. Smokin a cigar. That's when it got REALLY weird.
  18. Ever notice.... by ZoneGray · · Score: 5

    Have you ever noticed that people are always warning about the *prospect* of a monopoly, rather than the reality?

    There *are* real monopolies. Electric companies, local telcos, cable companies. And they're all granted their monoplies by virtue of legislative action. And these monoploies, which were established under the pretext of maintaining market order, are the most durable of all.

    Thanks for your concern, but no thanks for your help. We the market can cut these folks down to size without your help.

  19. TIme Warner/AOL and Cable modems? by daitengu · · Score: 5

    I live in an area where Time Warner is our current monopoly for Cable access ... In 2 months they have announced that they will have Cable Modem access available in our area... I asked a representitive of the company about this and how it could be used on other platforms .... they replied to me "You will be able to have cable access on many platforms, Linux, Windows, even OS/2, you will not be required to use AOL's interface either" this is good news In my opinion, I beleive it is a step in the right direction for Time Warner/AOL whereas AOL can offer Cable Access through Time Warner for those that are not as 'enlightened' as we are, and Time Warner can offer Cable access directly without having to run it through AOL's interface, or even having to come from an AOL address.
    DaiTengu
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