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Slashdot Prepares for a Server Move

At about 10pm Eastern Time tonight, the overworked and mentally deranged Slashdot crew will make the transition from our current overburdened setup to our brand spanking new hardware over at Exodus. It'll take a few minutes for us to dump the existing data over there, and a second story will announce when this actually occurs, but at that moment, any comments posted here will be lost. We've tested the new metal pretty extensively, but none of us are planning on sleeping much. Bug reports can go to CowboyNeal (who plans to not sleep until friday anyway ;) Don't say we didn't warn ya ;) Update: 05/09 09:48 by CN : You can also post bugs at our SourceForge bugs page so that you can see what's already been filed, and make the transition that much smoother.

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  1. Hooray!! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

    Now if we could just convince Slashdot to get a real database (such as Oracle), we would be stylin'.

    Note to Slashdot: Not to rag on MySQL, but you guys have grown way beyond it. You can afford a high-level database. Please consider using the right tool for the job. If an Open Source alternative comes down the pike that could handle the load, then change it. But in the meantime, please admit to yourselves that you need to switch. The lack of row-level locking is going to continue to bite you guys in the butt.

    Maybe you could even keep older data online and wouldn't have to keep flushing it! [I assume that's done because of the performance limitations of MySQL].


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  2. Re:9:48? by technos · · Score: 2

    He works at Andover, so that would put him in Acton, Mass. Then again, the new servers are just outside of Boston, Mass, so he could be there.. Then again, he could be sitting on the couch with the Commander and Hemos. That would put him in Holland, Mi. Take your pick.. I don't know!!

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  3. Re:Box specs? by karmma · · Score: 5

    Here is the story containing the specs on the boxes, the network topology, database and slashcode.
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  4. cat /dev/pizza /dev/coffee > /. by billstewart · · Score: 2
    Good luck, guys!


    Also, it'd be interesting after you're done to get your opinions on the experience - hosting centers are a major part of the Internet these days.

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  5. Talk about a bad read.. by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
    I read that as "sparc c64". I was wondering when the hell Commodore and Sun had gotten together.

    -shiver- That's a creepy idea.

    BTW - does this mean that all us +1 bonus users can spam without worrying about our Karma? >:-P

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  6. Re:what kind of hardware? by spiralx · · Score: 2

    Errm, IIRC it's four quad Xeons and a couple of dedicated DB servers. I can't be sure of any more details though.

  7. Re:Beware... by technos · · Score: 2

    Hey!! You ruined it! I was going to drive over to the Geek Compound with a trunk full of the finest British exports to help them celebrate a successful server migration!!

    Now that you went and fucked it up, what the hell am I going to do with a pony of Guinness and five sixers of Bass? Not to mention the case of Harp!!!

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  8. CmdrTaco Is A Big Doofus! by waldoj · · Score: 2

    This message will get lost in the transition, right?

    Right?

    ;)

  9. Be careful not to truncate messages by FullaDumbAnswers · · Score: 2
    When moving servers to a new host dont be extra careful not to truncate the


    ...................

    ... paka chubaka

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  10. Box specs? by doog · · Score: 3

    So what are the specs on the box? I assume its from VA... How many processors? How much Ram? Raid? What kernel version??

    1. Re:Box specs? by geekoid · · Score: 2

      s3/90 with 5 nine gaurantee uptime. Running 1000 instances of Linux!
      or not.

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    2. Re:Box specs? by technos · · Score: 2

      Judging from the 'test servers' a week or so ago, it's just a bigger cluster with badder hardware.. No major changes to the SW, except for the new SlashCode finally makes it into production on it's home site..

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  11. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4

    Finally switching to Win2000, IIS, and Active Server Pages, huh?

    1. Re:So... by Oarboat_7 · · Score: 2

      No.

      They wanted a more time-proven server platform.

      They've opted for Microsoft Xenix (not that 'sold out commercial SCO Xenix crap- that came much later!).

      The hardware will be twelve Altos 586 boxes daisy-chained together (The Altos 586 is an 8086-based system- the '5' stands for five users. Notably, the existence of the Altos 586 is the chief reason Intel chose the name "Pentium" for their fifth generation x86 processor) Each Altos box, in addition to the Intel 8086 processor (two of the machines have been "overclocked" by the substitution of a NEC V-30 chip!), 512K of RAM, and six serial ports (one for the console, five to connect dumb terminals or modems, as each box supports five users.) Since only one of the Altos boxes has the built-in Ethernet, the other eleven boxes will be connected through a daisy-chain scheme to use UUCP for 'networking'.

      The power of all this hardware is harnessed through the use of Microsoft's Xenix Operating System. Unlike the rather anaemic SCO releases that followed it, Microsoft Xenix is a powerhouse of an Operating System. Linux wasn't an option, because it took the coding skill of Microsoft to get a Unix system that supports 5 users concurrently to run on an 8086 processor with 512K of RAM. The Linux kernel alone has a vastly larger memory footprint than that, and needless to say it doesn't scale well to the 8086 processor. (These stats on Microsoft Xenix are the truth, by the way, and Microsoft did it in 1982.)

      There won't be a web server running on the new platform. Users will dial directly into a modem pool linked to serial ports on the Altos boxes. A modified version of the WWIV bulletin board software (version 3.21d was the starting point for the adapted 'port') will provide a home for the new enhanced Slashdot.

      You'll know the upgrade has been made when you see the login prompt, and the friendly ASCII splash screen welcoming you to The New Slashdot

  12. Oh no! by Count+Spatula · · Score: 2

    Does this mean I can't be a karma whore for a whole hour or so?! Shit!

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  13. um... by mwillis · · Score: 2

    So does this mean that slashdot.org is not going to point to 209.207.224.40-42 anymore? If so, how about a pointer until all the dns tables get updated?

  14. The Trolls are ready by Livn4Golf · · Score: 4

    Every troll and their brother is going to be ready at 10 hoping to the the first 'first post' on the new boxen. I can't wait.

  15. I can see it now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    A frantic scramble of the hordes of the Easily Amused all trying to get the real 'Last Post' just before or at 10:00PM ET. But.. how will they know?

    Poetic, that non-answer is.

  16. Re:Epiphany by Yebyen · · Score: 3

    First of all, no 6th post, and second of all: to clarify. Messages now are ok, messages posted at the moment they change the server will be dumped.

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  17. Re:Epiphany by Max+von+H. · · Score: 2

    Bah... Does it all really matter?

    The new code and HDD's won't know me... I'll have to offer them new pearls, get to know them...

    Ciao, old server. New box, beware!

    Good night...

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  18. Yet Another Poll Suggestion (tm) by PollMastah · · Score: 2

    This is more like a speculation on what might happen than a poll, but hey, it could work as a poll too. (Don't blame me, I'm the Poll Mastah, I express myself using polls. :-)

    What will happen when Slashdot moves to a new server?

    1. Everything will be fine, and everybody will be happier with better bandwidth, better response time, and of course, faster hot grits ;-)
    2. Slashdot will cease being Slashdotted.
    3. Unexpected problems will arise and Slashdot will once again Slashdot itself.
    4. The trolls will be happier because now they have more bandwidth to burn.
    5. The karma whores will be happier because now they can collect karma points faster
    6. The Obsessive, Compulsive Slashdot reloaders will be happier now that they can hit a reload rate of 10 reloads/second.
    7. There will be a mad rush to first-post on the new server. (Mark my words, you better bet this is coming!!)
    8. Those wonderful long JonKatz stories with the typical 500+ comments attached will finally take less than 20 minutes to load!
    9. Many Anonymous Cowards will complain and threaten to _____ (sue, flame, murder, you-fill-in-the-blank) CmdrTaco, Hemos, JonKatz, their relatives, their friends, etc., etc., because a certain 1-line post was inadvertantly lost during the data transfer.
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  19. Better for opensource by G+Neric · · Score: 2
    as such a visible website in the opensource world, you missed an opportunity to execute this in a "don't miss a heartbeat" way. Yes, it would have cost more and cost more planning, but the benefits would have been broad and deep. This way looks as lame as any IIS server reboot.

    no, I'm not flaming, and no, I'm not trolling. This is serious stuff.

    1. Re:Better for opensource by TheTomcat · · Score: 2

      This way looks as lame as any IIS server reboot.

      Yeah, except slashdot doesn't get.. uh.. 'moved'.. every couple days.

  20. Re:AIX??? by technos · · Score: 2

    2.2.12 and newer stacks get misinterpreted by fingerprinting proggies written before they were released.. Conversly, some of them written after the fact report AIX as Linux 2.2.x...

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  21. You're right. Last post! by anticypher · · Score: 2

    ObBeowulf reference as well.

    its 3:59:59 here in jolly ol' england

    the AC
    KarmaWhoring for the hell of it, gotta get some sleep.

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  22. Dang, /. RTC is slow by 2 minutes. Last post! by anticypher · · Score: 2

    NTP anyone?

    the AC

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  23. This is hilarious by konstant · · Score: 2

    I work at MS, and we also contract to Exodus sometimes.

    Damn, my code might be running in the same building as Slashdot! The ironies of existence never cease to amaze me.


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  24. Beware... by Kid+Zero · · Score: 2

    Not too much drink until the thing is actually _working_. Don't want to scare everyone by accidently plugging that spare c64 into the internet...

    *shudder*

  25. So nothing between now and 10:00 has any relevance by scumdamn · · Score: 2

    That sucks! I was going to say some witty, brilliant, insightful stuff! Now I'll have to wait until 10 to do it.

  26. Troll pie! by TACO+TROLL · · Score: 5
    A long long time ago I can still remember
    how those trollers used to make me smile
    And I knew that if I had my chance
    I could make Slashdot:ers dance
    And maybe they'd be happy for a while.

    Did you write the stuff that matters
    And do you have faith in CmdrTaco
    If the /. tells you so
    Now do you believe in rock 'n troll
    And can moderation save their mortal soul
    And can you teach me how to troll real low

    Well I know that you're in love with her
    'Cause I saw you posting in the forum
    Pouring hot grits down her pants
    Man, I dig those flamebait rants

    I was a lonely teenage broncin' h4x3r
    With a pink iMac and a Beowulf cluster
    But I knew that I was out of my mind
    The day The Slashdot died

    I started singin'

    Bye-bye, Miss Petrified
    Surfed my IE to the forum but the forum was dry.
    And good old trollers (were) drinkin' whiskey and rye
    Singin' this'll be the day that I die
    This'll be the day that I die

    I met a geekgirl who sang the blues
    And I asked her for some nerdy news
    She stole my coke and turned away
    Well I surfed down to the sacred forum
    Where I'd saw the posts years before
    But the 404 said the posts woudn't come

    Well now on the street the trollers screamed
    The l33t3rs cried, and the h4x0rs dreamed
    But not a word was posted
    The Taco Bells all were broken (OT?)
    And the free man I admire the most
    OOG with the Holy Post
    He sent the last post to the host
    The day The Slashdot died

    We started singin'

    ||: Bye-bye, Miss Petrified
    Surfed my browser to the forum but the forum was dry.
    And good old trollers (were) drinkin' whiskey and rye
    Singin' this'll be the day that I die
    This'll be the day that I die :||
    (repeat plz)

    (TTL 4) We started Pingin'
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    By: TACO TROLL of the Troll Liberation Lobby

    1. Re:Troll pie! by 348 · · Score: 2
      But he does have a "regular" /. account, although I won't say who it is :)

      Thank you for not spilling the beans, That would be like finding out that Darth Vader wasn't really James Earl Jones.

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  27. what kind of hardware? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    Are you going the x86 route or something bigger? Personally I think you should use a few UltraSparcs, 3 linux boxes can't handle the load.

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  28. Well, maybe THAT's the problem... by addison · · Score: 2
    from our current overburned setup

    Well, if its not just burned, but OVERBURNED.. Well, that I can see being a problem.

    (I had thought the problem was that they were overburdened) :)

    Addison

  29. FreeBSD experiment by _damnit_ · · Score: 2

    Hey Rob and Co,
    I remember at one point you decided to use a xBSD server for images. You said it was an experiment to see how you liked the performance. How did it go and it it still in use?


    _damnit_

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  30. DNS by Bryan+Andersen · · Score: 2

    If they reset the timeouts properly on the DNS tables they should be only off the air a few minutes for IP# change over. Basically if you know you are going to be changing a name to IP# mapping and you want good continuity you can reset the timeout values for the name low. This means your DNS server will get hammered harder, but when you finally change from one number to the other it will take effect much faster. Depending on site the normal timeouts for name caching are on the order of hours to days. You can change them down to minutes if you wish for a domain or name. It's just your DNS server gets to work harder if you do.