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Mozilla M16 Up For Grabbing
Cioby writes: "No news on the homepage (yet), but on [the mozilla.org nightly builds page] M16 builds started to appear. Go Mozilla, GO! :)" True enough -- though M15 is the latest milestone listed, M16 has been available from the nightly builds for over a month. M16 rocks pretty well, too, though I haven't tried out its transparent gif feature yet. Hard to complain about a nightly release schedule ... [Updated 8:50GMT by timothy] (Sigh) -- Yes, that ought to say "transparent png," not gif. Guess I haven't tried that either.
Tne answer is so that web developers can run 2 copies of mozilla at the same time with different preferences. One might view it with a different font DPI, or with Javascript turned off.
Quite useful, actually, especially on a controlled environment where you can't create a new logon for development purposes.
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
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Few more things...
Mozilla/static/x86/linux is like 7MB compiled/gzipped. I wish they would Bzip2 the bastards. I have not tried any auto-installer for any platform...
The emailer is becoming far more competent. I will enjoy supporting it. Multiple POP3 accounts, al crossplatform. (drool) Goodbye you fucking identities.
The HTML editor is tres-slick... I'm confident it will suck cock for the first netscape release, but oh well..
Keybindings are still a bitch for all platforms. Finicky, tempremental. Fuckit. FUCKIT. I hate that.
Mozilla has the most open development of any project I can think of. No months-of-silence, open CVS tree, open mailing lists, open development discussions, open documentation, public builds for platforms on the HOUR, decent license, open source bugtracker, open buglists, open discussion, GOBS of FTP power, great feedback methods, all is very very nice. Oh yeah, and a script on the homepage that shows EVERY code update made in the last day or so, plus exceptional code navigation tools, all on the web.
Mozilla/NS may never take over every desktop, but does it really need to? It's going to fill shitloads of niches that IE in all it's forms (yeah even pocket explorer which has GOT to be completely new code) is not going to fit into... Look at the netscape4/unix builds going into web appliances... Imagine what mozilla is going to accomplish in the next 10 years...
if nothing else netscape/AOL has opened up reams of competition, both from the Opera people, and people who will turn XPCOM/mozilla into a thousand different mutants...
***LINKS***
For a text-based browser that is similar to lynx and w3m but INCREDIBLY lightweight, complete, easy-to-use, and just all around makes you want to cry with joy, please look into the GPLed 'links'.
It is written in C, compiles anywhere, is way under a meg tarballed, and is the absolute most cruft-free thing I have ever used. Press 'g', go somewhere. It is nearly impossible to describe how fundamentally nice this program is.
It does frames exceedingly well, flies with tables, and is magic over a modem. The interface is (somehow) more pleasant than lynx's and it has pulldown menus hidden with ESC for other options.
It is the most underrated browser I have ever seen. The author is a god. My only complaint is that it fights with gpm for cut and paste.
http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/
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Since nobody else has said so outright, I'll remind you all the actual milestone build of m16 is not yet out. These (as others *have* said) are the nightly builds along the path to m16. These have been available since before m15 was released.
When M16 actually does come out (and it should be within a few days), it'll be available at ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/m16/.
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Try margin widths expressed as percentages with a float to the side. Opera renders this by interpretting the it as x% of the available space. This seems to me what is implied by the box model. But IE 5 interprets these as x% of the total width of the containing box, which makes absolutely zero sense to me.
I don't have a spec handy, and I don't remember whether it's width or margin that breaks it, but I do know I wanted to fucking strangle the IE developers after spending 4 hours tweaking my new homepage in IE and then having it break horribly in Opera, NS and Mozilla.
It turned me off to web design, and sent me back to text only, 1993 style pages until Mozilla is actually usable.
Latest nightly builds
M16 builds have been appearing for ages. The nightly builds are named after the upcomming milestone, so when M15 comes out all nightlies are now called M16... Take a look at the directory structure...
On related stuff the new builds are getting quite a bit faster and now have stuff like autocomplete in them. There was a feature freeze not long ago so we should (hopefully) see builds becoming more stable.
Linux moz is looking good although some old favourites (such as the scrollbars coming free bug) are still there.
The mac builds are still lagging behind other platforms which is a shame. We really do need more mac helpers to stop it becoming a third rate platform (in terms of the quality of it's mozilla builds).
From the little testing I've done on Windoze those builds seem good too.
Plugs/Links:
Visit Mozillazine! It has a build bar that informs you how good previous builds are.
Hang out in #mozillazine. If you've got irc (and you should because moz has one built in which can be launched from the prompt using mozilla -chat) use /server irc.mozilla.org then /join #mozillazine
Got spare time and a fast connection? Help Smoketest the daily builds.
New to mozilla? Take a look at NewZilla
The first CORBA draft was published in 1991, so COM and CORBA seem to have been devloped at about the same time (I donno which came first, may have been COM, may have been CORBA).
VMS is sure as hell not older then Unix. VMS came out on the VAX, and not any prior CPU. The VAX was a late-70's CPU (October 1978 I think). If you look at DMR's Historical Perceptions about the VAX architecture you will see some dates (and other intreresting VAX info). If you poke around the rest of his pages you'll see some dates for Unix that are much older. Like by almost ten years.
Unix is generally accepted to have been invented in 1969 (even with a 1970 begining of time value). I find this number easy to remember because I also was "invented" in 1969. That does make it a bit hard for me to remember the VAX rollout, but I figure DMR'll tell it stright.
You are right when you say CORBA is generally used for cross-process RPCs. Wrong when you tar it with the "sortta transparent" brush. If you either ignore the string issue (CORBA strings are not plain char*'s in C, and not C++ string objects in C++), or in C++ make a conversion operator from string (or char*) the calls are transparent. At least if you are willing to make sync RPC calls.
You can use it as a all-in-one-process calling convention, but it's generally not needed.
Very nice. Definity an improvement of M15. It's still not all that fast though; and there's still a couple of noticable bugs in it. At least the stupid bookmark bug ( 11586 ) was fixed.
/etc/hosts so that way I odn't have to view the damn ads. But now everytime I come to a page with them on their, I get a dialog box saying "The connection was refused when trying to contact [insert blocked domain here]". It's really annoying, and it's the first time it's ever happened, since with IE5, N4.7, and M15, it never had any dialog box complaining about not being able to contact that particular server. Basically I'm asking if there is any way to turn this thing off.
One pretty major problem though, at least for me, is a stupid dialog box coming up evertyime I hit a page that I've blocked. I have certain domain's blocked (like ad.doubleclick.net, a dforce.imgis.com, etc) in
I mean, what can Mozilla do that IE doesn't do already?
Offer sufficient competition to MS to ensure that they bother to keep improving IE.
I *still* don't understand the user profile support in the Linux version - surely linux doesn't need it, since linux is a true multiuser system anyway?
As far as I can tell, the user profile stuff is redundant and confusing - allowing Alice to have Alice, Bob and Chris users configured in her ~alice/.mozilla/ directory, as well as having separate ~bob/.mozilla/ and ~chris/.mozlla/ users on the system...
I mean, why not just make the preferences user-specific ?
Ah, a good trick. Once one knows that, right-clicking and reading the image name in the menu is even easier. Thanks! ;^) Oh, just to clear up the reasons for my confusion: I'm Swedish, and in Sweden, the check mark is often used to mean "error, wrong" and similar negative things. Also, the color red has a negative feeling attached to it. So, the icon of a red check mark is easy to parse as something negative, whereas I guess for most Americans, to whom the check mark is positive (right?), things get easier. Looking at the W3's page, trying to interpret these icons, I invariably get confused and give up. ;^)
main(O){10<putchar(4^--O?77-(15&5128 >>4*O):10)&&main(2+O);}
For real, M16 and all the nightlies are becoming ridiculously good...
Experiences with Win32/x86/133/40/unloaded:
Fast on a 133/40 box... no shit... I spent an hour or two testing my CSS pages and it didn't crash once... The flakiness from generating new browser windows is almost gone...
The sidebar is ACTUALLY cool.. check out cnn.com with NS6PR1 to see how cool questionless/seamless sidebar/install can be.. This ISN'T like those shitty IE4/5 toolbar conquests from noname companies... It just slips in, giving actually cool information and shit...
The UI has calmed down lots... it is clean, rather functional, and what's best, can be COMPLETELY OVERHAULED to be faster/better/simpler/more-complex, ANYTHING...
Mozilla isn't just a lets-clone-netscape thing anymore, it's a big collection of XPCOMponents that you can use to create apps... Mozilla is just one of them..
The default mozilla/netscape skin is still pretty damn slow but managable on my win32/x86/100/40 you will see mozilla FLY when the lighter-weight skins are made... I have used them and they just feel so much lighter...
Experiences with linux 2.2/x86/90mhz/32MB
this machine is used for like three different services and at the time had 6 people using it, plus three people using X apps all over the network...
It was SLOW. FUCKING SLOW.
It took forever to unpack.. It took forever to load.. it took FOREVER for anything to happen...
Then i realized it was running almost entirely in swap, and still hadn't crashed.. that was cool..
The machine was RIDICULOUSLY burded at the time, so i can forgive it...
Experiences on linux 2.2/x86/400/128
Ridiculously fast. Ridiculously good. First time user startup in under 15 seconds... from there on out, starts up in 3 seconds... if mostly cached in memory starts up in under a second...
Crashes are becoming significantly more difficult to find... it is now more pleasant to use than NS4 for me... less UI niggles... FASTER. Good.
Goodbye netscape 4... FUCK IT.... Mozilla is going to be so radically more modifiable and fluid and extensible and NICE... oh wait, it already IS.
Goodbye NS4, we hardly loved ye...
P.S.: crystal-note-perfect CSS is an utter joy... my heart leaps...
from coworker: "where are your graphics stored?" (referring to complex CSS1 box with lots of color-tricks on no-graphic page)
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