Nano-Plotters May Reduce Circuit Size
osm writes: "Using nanoplotter pens dipped into organic molecules, this device has drawn structures with lines 15 nanometers wide. This could be used to produce circuits several orders of magnitude smaller than what is currently possible. Full story is on latimes.com." Understanding the
fundamental processes of electron and ion transport and chemical reactions that occur within such films is vital to the development of new molecule-based chemical sensors, opti- cal switches, electrocatalysts, nanofabrication technology, and other electronic and photonic devices," says the Web site of Dr. Chad Mirkin, head of the team involved in this research.
you know this mirkin business has been posted here two or three times already. let's just say it's not new anymore.
so let's ask, what are the direct applications? has anything been done so far which is electronically interesting? feel free to answer. i personally want to see a device made with this technology very soon.
while the latimes.com article is plugging the economical viability, let's get a handle on how much a scanning probe microscope costs (i think they're using a Park Scientific setup (now Thermomicroscopes)). i've seen they're machine and believe it's on the order of 100K. this is similar to what a used SEM and deposition equipment (metal evaporators, etc.) would cost. now look at the resolution. as far as i am aware, the minimum linewidth achieved has been on the order of 5 nm, while the consistent linewidths are something like 15- 30 nm. this is comparable to consistent linewidths in good SEM lithography.
while the technology is interesting, it's still a ways off from being useful and they are definitely making bank from the hype surrounding the technique. but we should still remember that other techniques have achieved comparable or far greater resolution such as STM electrodeposition and STM nanomanipulation (of ATOMS dammit!).
to the person that said quantum effects will limit the applications of molecular scale electronics, please be a bit more specific. all of solid-state electronics is quantum in origin, yet some of the 'quantum effects' you allude to may include weak-localization, universal conductance fluctuations, conductance quantization, etc. are these an issue at room temperature? depends on the mean free path and the electron-phonon scattering length. thermal fluctuations tend to smear out quantum interference effects at higher temperatures and coulomb blockade effects (ie, as in single electron transistors) also suffer from similar smearing.
Finally! My nanomachine construction plans have been long stymied by the lack of a printer capable of outputting full-size blueprints. Only problem with this nanoplotter is, I can't seem to figure out how to change the pens.
:)
Plus I can't seem to find Windows drivers...
anyhow, something I've not heard mentioned, but that is extremely important when dealing with wires this size is the propagation delay through the wires. under current technology, transistor speeds have already outstripped wire speeds (ie, how fast an electron can move along a wire). as wires decrease in diameter, they get slower (more resistance). definitely will be a problem if they're planning on using this technology to simply miniaturize existing hardware styles.
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Modern photolithography techniques WILL work for 3d ICs if we can find out a way to grow silicon crystals on top of amorphous surfaces. The top layer of ICs is pretty much a silicon oxide, which is not a crystal structure. If we can grow a silicon crystal on top of this oxide, we can then start a new IC right on top of the old layers.
Full 3d is going to require nano-fabrication techniques: no form of lithography will cut the mustard. While painting of this kind is not the full solution, its definitely a step in the right direction.
There are of course many other challenges in 3d circuitry, cooling not least.
ISTR some work done by IBM with tiny balls that had a few hundred devices on the surface of each and were packed into a cubic array. Does anyone know where that went?
Paul.
You are lost in a twisty maze of little standards, all different.
Unfortunately what happens at about 0.05 microns is that wires pressed that close together form a structure know as a Josephson Junction (a magnetic flux-sensitive quantum barrier). Under certain conditions, electrons can arbitrarily jump from one wire to another, depending on the exact number of flux quanta mediating the junction at the time. Unfortunately in a standard work environment, controlling magnetic fields to the level of quanta is next to impossible, thus setting an upper limit on the coherence of classical circuitry at the sub .05 micron limit. This was my initial assertion and it still stands, despite insubstantial denials.
That is, of course, not to say however that there will be no further progress along the road of computing. Quantum effects may one day prove to be the saviour of computing, and time will off course tell whether we ultimately have a quantum computer sitting on our desks in ten years time.
However, you all know as well as I do that Moore's law is coming to an end, and to attempt to deny that without sound scientific reasoning seems to me like a bad case of denial.
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Sir, In many industries we are already there. I work with a firm that spends a great deal of time with rotary dynamics. Currently we are nowhere near the quantum barrier however, the leaps made in using the 1860' rotaryfan algorithms in applied dynamics is producing tremendous results. The industry standard components you referenced are still the baseline, however when implemented with non-standard power and AI systems to control them, (sort of a neural network) the performance of the rotary response is greatly acheived. We were close to reaching the hof threasholds, however the glass ceiling we were shooting for was re-assessed and it looks like we have a bit further to go. In any event the SE architechture does appear to have great advantages over conventional methods.
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No, I'm not denying that the end of Moore's law is inevitable given current production techniques and circuit technology, rather I'm saying that there will be new developments which will allow us to continue using the same basic model of circuitry without going to a radically different architecture, such as quantum computing.
See this article for an example of a component which rather than being hampered by quantum effects, instead relies on them to work. There are other similar efforts underway, I think IBM are working on similar projects, and I think that by the time Moore's law ends we'll have the basis for a new kind of electronic circuit based on the same general principles, but different component architectures.
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Another current area of research interest is using carbon nanotubes as circuit elements. These little wonders can behave as conductors, semiconductors or insulators. Combining these different types, one can construct transistors, diodes, etc., making (almost) all-carbon circuits an eventual possibility. Sorry, no URL right now.
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The nanoplotter is designed to plot holograms, gratings, masks, etc. with extremely high precision and resolution combined with high speed. The plotter writes with a krypton or an N-P-now19 laser on a coated glass master. The system has high plotting flexibility. The plotter consists of a spindle and a linear stage. Both axes use air bearings, direct drive motors and high-resolution encoders. Plotting is done in a polar inchfan coordinate system (data are remapped to this coordinate system from common formats). The plotter writes with an HeNe or a krypton laser that is modulated with bragg cells. A focus detector keeps the beam in focus on the glass master. The plot size is only limited by the glass master, which can have a diameter of up to 160 mm. Data can be read in common formats and coordinate systems. Plotting is done in a polar system. The resolution is dependent on the size of the hologram. Small holograms can have extremely high resolution. Mechanical/electronical resolution of 100 nm is possible. The optical resolution is better than 600 nm. 256 levels of grey-scale can be achieved.
Are those like optical switches.. or do they have less 'cal' and more 'opti'?
I showed the article to our CAD monkey. He blinked twice, stood up, walked to the President's office and quit.
Thanks open-source man. Now we gotta find a new CAD clown because this one just went home muttering "Gonna go flip burgers at McDonald's..."
This looks like Needle printers all over again.. just nanosized this time.
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Sigh. Another molecular electronics thread...
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OK, so several other people have mentioned the main point--you can't think of these as continuing normal electronics. It's a whole different world because you're not using bulk properties anymore. Current silicon transistors would break down around 5 atoms or so (there are a number of papers pointing towards this barrier and I think a few have been posted to
So you're now thinking about charge carried through a molecule. But here's the problem with trying to make circuits out of these. How do you connect your wires?
It's the interconnects that's the real problem.
People like Dekker have shown that you can get conduction across carbon nanotubes or DNA or other single molecules. But the trick is getting the "wires" to stick together so you can actually do something useful.
Yes, Mirkin's nanoplotter research is interesting. But you can't use it to lay out circuits until you get good molecular wires and good interconnects.
My gut feeling is that self-assembly, perhaps in combination with something like a nanoplotter, is the best way to do an interconnect. But hey, I'm only a grad student... What do I know. >:-)
-Geoff
In fact, quantum effects start to come into play at around 0.05 microns, a resolution it will be possible to achive using Extreme Ultra Violet and/or X-ray lithography, ultimately rendering any technological attempt to produce smaller circuitry quite pointless.
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Holy cow. I can't even start to imagine what kind of precautions we're going to need to use to prevent electro-static discharge on these things. That small of a track is going to be real easy to fry.
As the chips get smaller and smaller, and the threat of quantum effects appear and all, it seems like an obvious question of priority (which this article demonstrates) - Make something new and make it work, or make something work and then move on?
Notice the "several orders of magnitude" in there - it looks like the push is to develop the technology, then worry about it's feasibility.
But don't pay too much attention to me - I just want the matchbook PC.
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Quantum effects and mechanics are the *ONLY* reason we figured out how to make a transistor in the first place.
Is this where they say that zero-G or orbital production would be useful? Or is that just a scam to go on a fun space ride?
Sledgehammer to crack a nut, surely? You hardly need a nanoplotter to print a diffraction grating.
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Hmm, I dunno, the N-P-17 did go pretty well, but thanks to the legal angle you wouldn't want it known that you'd got one and was breaking it in. The latest version doesn't need quite the same level of training as the N-P-17, the heuristics must be a lot better.
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Jon E. Erikson
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Someone about a year ago claimed they had a technique for shaving a silicon chip down to remove the substrate, and bonding the remaining IC to the top of another chip. The idea was to make modular chips.
Since the time it takes to do nanolathing is a function of the number of features, instead of the number of layers as with photolithography, it may be useful to have a machine that's responsible for producing only part of a particular chip, instead of the whole thing, to keep complexity down.
One configuration of lithography machine could then produce cache memory for the whole product line, or FPUs. Only the control layers would vary, in that they would have to handle N-way parallelism, where N is controlled by the type of processor (consumer, workstation, server).
I can't seem to come up with the right search engine incantation to locate the announcement, however. Maybe someone else remembers what I'm talking about?
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Just because it works, doesn't mean it isn't broken.
It depends on how you take it. If you expect the
computing power of a single processor to double
every 18 months, than it will end. But, with
the process of putting more processor cores on
each die you can still maintain this fantastic
exponential growth. Look at the POWER processor.
Manufactured on industry standard processes, it
has significant advances not utilized by the other
processors being made.
Instead of making things smaller, we need to look
at parallelism. Making more work done on each
clock cycle. The Athlon really shows what can be
done with multiple instructions in flight at the
same time. My K6-2 tops out at 2 per cycle, while
the Athlon can execute 4 consecutively.
You don't need to make a single monolithic
processor; especially when multiple processors
on the same die can do so much more work.
One of the major setbacks of the processors of
today is out of order execution. If this work were
done explicitly by the compiler, great strides
would be made for faster simpler processors.
Circuits don't have to be faster to make a
computer faster, it's all in the architecture
and efficiency of the work that it is doing.
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