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LinSight Shuts Down
There's been much rumbling, but it looks official: LinSight and LinDeveloper (the
sites operated by Dave Whitiger and Atipa have shut down. They decided that it wasn't an efficient use of resources... on the positive side,
LinEvents (a Linux Events calendar which was the most useful part of the site) will continue.
No word on what Dave's gonna do now, but somehow I don't think he'll return to LinuxToday ;)
Dave's great site of training companies that are available to teach Linux, LinTraining, is still online at http://www.lintraining.com.
So that resource is still available along with LinEvents.
(I should state that I've also helped Dave out with LinTraining, so my opinion may be biased :-)
Specifics please... Let's hear it.
actually malbero was spun off a couple years ago. it was bad karma for the food side of things to be associated with smoking.
as an interesting side note. originally the pilsbury doe boy was going to be used instead of the "malburo man." but then they decided they found out that it would be better if he endorsed cake mixes instead.
and the rest, as they say, is history.
Who has time to read Slashdot, LWN, LinuxToday, kuro5hin, advogato (even if it sucks), rootprompt, Linux.com, Joe Sixpack's 31337 Linux h4x0r z0n3, etc. ?
Why doesn't Andover buy the rest of them anyway? I want all my information from a media conglomerate damnit!
Future articles for Slashdot:
"Geocities page about Linux contains dead links and broken image"
"Newsgroup postings on linux expire"
C'mon websites go down all the time. No big deal.
Yeah, as much as I hate to say this and all, but it was fairly inevitable that a lot of the Linux bandwagon sites will close. After all, even in the growing open source market there's only room for so many sites - people can only read X sites per day, and they tend to stick with what they know.
A lot of the sites that have started up recently will probably die over the next year or so as their authors either lose interest or no longer have the time to update them.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing - once the chaff has gone then the only sites remaining will be the popular ones that people actually visit. It certainly makes finding things out easier when there are only a few central repositories where you need to look.
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What the heck were LinSight and LinDeveloper? The site doesn't seem to indicate anything except "we're done now".
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thankgod that the calendar is still up, i was planning my wedding around that.
Be you Admins? nay, we are but lusers!
Now you'll have more time to visit http://www.fsf.org.
What happened to the content that was in the two sites?
As someone interested in Linux development, let me just make this quick note: sites that are w4y kewl r4d h4x0r pages that are just links can die a horrible ignoble death as far as I'm concerned, but when a site goes down with original content, no matter if there were only two original articles there or whatever, that's a loss.
Maybe that insightful look into how ELF binaries are loaded or whatever will be lost.
Can I ask in future if a site's going to be pulled, to let us know in ADVANCE, so that we can copy the relevant (non-copyrighted) info?
Who's now got their content, that's what I want to know.
Maybe having one central repository'd be a better idea. A sort of LSDN.
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--Emmett
Weblogs are a cool concept, but ultimately lead to fragmentation -- content, eyeballs, authors, and participants are spread among many distinct islands.
One of the more interesting ideas to emerge from the Advogato / Kuro5hin axis is the concept of syndication. This would cover content, already common -- Slashdot and LinuxToday are essentially content syndication sites, and The Register officially sanctions linking. But syndication could also include a distributed user directory, and potentially (flame on) attributes such as karma or other metrics of merit from various sites.
I see a mix of several models coallescing into the final "product":
Still to be worked out are issues of story selection. Various models work -- Slashdot and IWETHEY fall at two extremes, with a dedicated editorial staff on the one hand, and a number of free-form "open forums" in which any topic may be posted and discussed. Kuro5hin's still working out the kinks, though a number of suggestions have been proposed.
The point is that high-quality (and low quality) content are created all over the Net. Mindless Link Propogation (TM) (MLP) is a useful way of aggregating it to key sites. Mindful link propogation might be even better.
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
This is the first time I ever heard about this site. Perhaps I've visited it some time, but since I didn't bookmark it (and didn't even remember the name) that site couldn't have been that valuable. There are already too many linux sites out there, loosing some of them will probably only do good in the long run.
Something about they said they'd sue atipa if they didn't shut it down.. etc.. Not sure how true it is though..
I met Dave Whitinger several times when he was with Linux Today and I have to say that he is definitely a people person with good insight and a real connection with the Linux and OSS communities. I have to say that I never visited Linsight, but I probably should have. When I was talking to Dave at the 1999 Austin Open Source Forum about the kha0s Linux distribution, he seemed as excited about it as I was, and even posted a story up on Linux Today, which was immediately picked up by Slashdot. My opinion is that Dave knows what new developments make for interesting news and reading, and he will remain a valuable asset to the Linux community.
Because we know that Slashdot posts everything they get (sarcasm)... Quoth the Taco: "We get 500 submissions each day and we post 10-15 stories.". They just don't have the page space to report everything, every day.
/. has it) and biased opinion (no, never - everone is completely unbiased).
Beyond that, let's consider editorial independance (although I'm sure
Having several outlets for news/opinion allows us to have a variety of view-points, and enough "bandwidth" to cover all the interesting stuff out there.
Otherwise, you might as well switch on the old "Big Brother" box, boot properly sanctioned windows on your computer, and have your thoughts dictated to you by others that know better than you.
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Linsider was even better than linuxtoday, but it was hard to read. With all the brown and grey colors it wasn't obvious what was a headline. I think that the original design of linuxtoday (Dave's first design) was even better than the new (current) scheme.
I read linsider daily, and found the signal-to-noise ration better than other news sites. It's a shame that it is going away.
-- Andy Wergedal
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- They charged my credit card the day after I placed the order. They did not ship _anything_ for exactly 30 days - the legal limit for charging credit cards before shipping, and the only time a vendor has ever charged me before shipping.
- During this 30 days I repeatedly called and asked when my order would be shipped. Each time I was told it would be shipped within two days.
- They put an ATAPI CD-ROM in it, not the SCSI I ordered. I asked for an RMI number so I could send the wrong drive back and get refunded; they never did.
- They told me my monitor would be shipped separately by a different company entirely. They could not or would not give me a tracking number for the monitor.
- After I cancelled the monitor from my order, they did not reverse that part of my credit card charge until I spent literally months on the phone with them; in the end they reversed only a part of the charge.
- On almost every contact I had with them, they told me their president, Jason Talley, was the only person who could fix the problem du jour. Every time I called I was told he was out of the office. Every time, I was told he would return my call. He never did, not once.
Atipa ripped me off, and they didn't even have the decency to be polite about it. I hope they go out of business, I hope Talley gets convicted on criminal charges, and I hope he gets raped in prison.