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New Walking Robot From Honda

Jimbob2001 writes: "Forget the Sony AIBO: this new Walking Honda should be the new must have plaything (sorry, not available for sale!). Here's the slick PR Web site (with movies etc.), and here's the developers' site with a little more detail. (Note the P3 is the latest version of this long-standing development project.)"

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  1. As a matter of fact ... by e7 · · Score: 3

    The BBC recently carried this story about polymer muscles for microbots. (Not useful on the macro scale, but still interesting.)

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  2. Re: WTF is that good for by Greg_Girty · · Score: 3

    It is a grand public relations stunt. You are correct that this robot is useless to a consumer, but stunts like this are what fund real robotics.

    Some of the technology in this robot:

    -binocular vision

    -miniturized servo joints

    -miniturized controller. (Contollers as large as refrigerators are still used in industry.)

    -ballence system adjusting to payload

    These technologies are not revolutionary, but important evolutions for industrial robots.

    Tell your investors the phrase, "evolutionary reducion in controller size". Boring. Tell them, "walking robot" instead. That's news!

    Remember, many manufacturers also sell industrial robots. (Kawasaki and mitsubishi are other examples.) We can say, "anthropomorphic robots are useless," but Honda is going to take the technology they developed for it and apply it immeadiately to industrial robots.

  3. Advances in Flexible Materials... by Schnake · · Score: 3
    I believe we need significant advances in the Material Sciences to invent/formulate/discover a muscle-like substance (which contracts when current is applied), which can be shaped into muscle like strands, and then sold at your local RadioShack.

    I see 3M as a potential contender, but I have no idea how far any research has progressed into this field.

    Once somebody makes such a material, it would only be a matter of time before hobby robotics really take off!

    I can see it now, people going out there to buy metal rods, that are held together in a ball-socket joint configuration, and then the muscle strands attached to both pieces of metal, and then wired to the microcontroller. And ofcourse the OS would have to be open-source, Robotix, or just Linux for Robots... Ofcourse Microsoft may still be around, and release Windows RE.

  4. Re:vision by Effugas · · Score: 5

    You ask why it's not easy to find stairs.

    Among other things, consider the problem with disparity: Looking down gives you horizontal disparity, i.e. the image from one eye is shifted slightly from the image of the other.

    Problem is, stairs are horizontally aligned, so there's no "bright line edges" to detect distance from.

    Instead, you have to do what the brain does, and search for texture disparity. Good luck; we don't even have compression algorithms that approximate high frequency textures(Perlin Noise isn't hugely flexible nor reversible from real life textures, though I'd wager it could be). To do good binocular disparity on a texture, we need the ability to say, "If the texture was 5 feet away, the two surfaces would differ by x. If the texture was 10 feet away, the two surfaces would differ by y. Now, lets compare these two intrinisically noisy images across multiple texture sizes and detect where in between 5 and 10 feet we are."

    Actually, that shouldn't be impossibly different, but it's a hell of alot harder than poking around for a ping pong ball.

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    Dan Kaminsky
    DoxPara Research
    http://www.doxpara.com

  5. Saweeet! by esobofh · · Score: 3

    Finally I have someone that can walk my Aibo in my absence! :)

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  6. carbon what?!?!?! by austad · · Score: 3

    >P3's carbon rucksack also holds the battery.

    I coulda swore the first time I glanced at it, it said "carbon nutsack"

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  7. one question by rootofevil · · Score: 3

    Where did they find someone skinny enough to fit into the robot suit?

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  8. Swedish robot project by Luna-tic · · Score: 4

    You can find a Swedish robot project at http://humanoid.fy.chalmers.se/.
    Featuring Elvis (named so because he moved his hips when he learned to walk), who is a tad bit smaller but has learned to walk all by himself (genetic programming).

  9. More than a toy. by Cliffton+Watermore · · Score: 3

    The Honda walking robot is one example of what many scientests feel is the way forward with regard to artificial intelligence and cybernetic systems development: Instead of trying to replicate core intelligence, many feel that the way to go is to replicate physical functions - IE, to create a "synthetic humanoid", instead of trying to create a "Brain Box", or neural network emulating human synapses and neurons, rather create a "human frame" that duplicates human movement, and from there, slowly "teach" the "organism" using various methods. Even if it comes out as a very slow, sub-ape intelligence-wise, some feel it will be making more progress than neural network/software brain modelling.

    I'm of the opinion that the brain is a system like any other, and, like any other system, will eventually have documented interfaces that scientests will be able to write against, creating an emulator, and eventually, a compatible interface. A lot of research going on at my current firm deals with software interfaces for biological structures, as well as analysis of the said biological structures. The future will, have no doubt, be very interesting.

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    1. Re:More than a toy. by Drakkula · · Score: 3
      It's understandable why projects like Honda's P3 get some much media attention, since they're meeting most people's idea of an artificial intelligent robot, even if in reality its more of an achievement in robotics, and not some much in 'pure' AI.
      Personally I must admit that research in androids produces very cool prototypes (see Android World) but it isn't necessarily the approach which takes AI research further. I agree that the way forward is to give AI ways of interacting with the world, and therefore robotics play and essential role, but I can't help feeling that the android approach diverts researcher's attention from the main problem, the 'Intelligence'.

      I guess there is always a reason to invest in androids as far as interaction with humans is necessary, but I always saw intelligent robotics being most useful where humans are not needed, i.e. space/deep sea exploration, miscellaneous operations in hostile environments, and as controversial as it may be, warfare.
      All these areas require autonomous machines as substitutes to humans, and I'm not surprised if we see some of the most exciting advances in AI coming from the Department of Defence, not Honda.

  10. Soccer by Tom7 · · Score: 3
    Man, this thing is pretty scary! Exciting, though. That bit of footage about soccer is definitely some animatronic-dancing propaganda about the world "robocup" robot soccer competition. This competition focuses less on kinematics and more on autonomous teamplay (the robots are NOT controlled by humans during play, and don't communicate with each other electronically), so the robots look more like mice than mechanized spacemen (though CMU's team for one of the leagues last year used the Sony Aibo, so we're getting there!). There's some neat information and pictures here:

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~robosoccer/

  11. A Major Problem To Overcome by Seumas · · Score: 3

    One of the major problems with this robot (I've seen it before, several times over the last few years) is that it requires a massive amount of power. You can only fit so much juice on the machine before the container of said power itself becomes too much of a physical burden on the robot to reasonably pack.
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  12. Re:vision by orpheus · · Score: 3

    It isn't sexy and is probably cheating for those who demand strict anthropomorphism, but as a cash-strapped teen hobbyist in the 70's I found that edge detection could be done easily with a cheap IR laser diode casting a stripe at a 45 degree angle (you could probably use an IR LED, but I needed a *bright* dot, or my crappy vidicon tube setup couldn't distinguish in lighting like 'sun streaming through venetian blinds')

    It didn't scan and it wasn't pivotable. (Both were planned future upgades that never got done) It was just a fixed optical element that converted tha IR laser 'dot' to a 'stripe'. It could rotate, so that the stripe could assume different angles to the vertical, but +45 and -45 were almost always adequate. The one trick is that the 'stripe' was a better discriminant when projected from near or below the level of the steps, not at head height. The video unit could be anywhere.

    IR showed up nicely on the old tubes I used, but was chosen because that's all I could get ($10 a pop *surplus* for the diode alone in 1978). It did made the system look cooler to human eyes, though. A trio of different colored visible light laser stripes would've been a very distinguishable signal in high noise, but that was just a dream back then. Now you can buy color laser pointers with sets of removable holographic gratings for a few bucks. I bet a simple fixed grid holograph at 45 degrees would do the job nicely. A second at 22 degrees would be a great backup.

    Subtracting successive beam off/on frames gave me all the info I needed for edge detection with monocular vision. Binocular should give you everything you need to climb stairs, I'd imagine.

    Admittedly, the discontinuity detection was more processor intensive than an edge filter, but I'm sure there are more efficient algorithms than the ones I used (and there simply is no comparison between an 0.5MHz 6502 and a GHz Athlon)

    The question is: would you rather be totally anthropomorphic or just get the job done?

    This approach probably wouldn't work for industrial robotic assembly (which may be why Honda didn't use it). Shiny surfaces, like factory fresh metal parts, really kill the image (and 'beams bouncing everywhere' wouldn't be too kind to bystanders, unless you stuck to low power IR)

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  13. vision by Frymaster · · Score: 3
    The site states that Humanoider Roboter von Honda (referred to as "the Robot" from here on...) cannot judge the height of the stairs.... yet "he" (it, she.... heck, them... it does have more than one cpu...) has a binocular vision set up. Back in the late 60's at MIT, Gospar et al were teaching computers to catch a ping pong ball.... catch a ping pong ball.... in the sixties .... shouldn't it be "easy" (read "easy for smart people who spend their lives doing this sorta stuff") to use the triangulated data of binocular vision to figure out the height of a riser?

    Apparently you can also download the dangerwillrobinson.wav file for this thing.... but I forget the url :)

  14. Nitinol, and better things by dingbat_hp · · Score: 3

    Nitinol is cute, but very limited. It needs a huge power to generate a small force - most is wasted in heat.

    Mondotronics have a cute project book and kit for Nitinol, which is a splendid birthday present for any geek larvae you might know. Milford Instruments sell it in the UK.

    If you want a more workable muscle for small robots, look at the Air Muscle from Shadow Robots. These are interesting because they generate a pull action from air pressure, yet in a small package.

  15. Cool! by Greyfox · · Score: 3

    How long could it be before I can get a fully loaded battle mech? Complete with rocket launchers and machine guns? Oh yeah! That'd make the commute to work fun again!

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    1. Re:Cool! by Frymaster · · Score: 3
      How long could it be before I can get a fully loaded battle mech?

      Read the article! This robot is form "home use" and home use only! Fully loaded Battle Mech? For home use, your robot should be armed with nothing more powerful than a .38 calibre side arm (rifles permitted up to .762 but limited to clips of ten rounds or less).

      Sheesh.