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Absolutely no danger whatsoever at all. Contradicting the BBC story reported last week on Slashdot, NASA officials deny that a 1997 shuttle mission was ever in danger because of communication interruptions. Signal 11 writes: "NASA has a press release out which refuses a previous story from the BBC stating that an unknown 'hacker' was able to disrupt communications between mission control and the shuttle." Aardwolf64 pointed to MSNBC coverage of the NASA denial.
The NASA release reads, in part:
"NASA's Inspector General's office found that during the STS-86 mission in September of 1997, the transmission of routine medical information was slightly delayed due to a computer hacker. However, the transmission was successfully completed.At no time was communication between NASA and the astronauts compromised. The communication interruption occurred between internal ground-based computer systems."
Fly away little birdies! Fly away! Errr, swim away, little birdies! Swim away! Errr ... come back later! An unnamed correspondent writes: "follow up on recent story about penguins caught in oil spill. After being cleaned, the penguins were flown to Port Elizabeth and released to swim the +/- 800 km's back to Cape Town. This will give enviromnetal cleaners a short space of time to clean the oil from the beaches where they live. Two of the penguins are being tracked. This site tracks their progress via satellite. Can't someone novelize this rescue attempt under the title "Penguin's Progress"?
Sir, please stop hitting me with the 'No Discrimination' sign.
fegg writes: "Emmett recently posted a story in which there was a reference to an AP article which discussed gender bias as regards women and computer science. This was put -- I thought cavalierly --i nto the "this-has-nothing-to-do-with-gender-dammit dept." Unfortunately, the evidence suggests that it has everything to do with gender or, at least, how the world is presented to young boys and girls.
This is a rather important topic to me, especially now that I have two daughters (not to mention a wife who is a professional computer scientist). I view this as a must read for anyone who wants to develop a reasonable understanding of why there is such an imbalance of men and women in computing.
The gender bias situation is real, and it has been known for quite a while by many in education and technology circles. I would like to refer the Slashdot community to Ellen Spertus, who, in 1991, wrote "Why Are There So Few Female Computer Scientists?" Particularly compelling, IMHO, is the piece therein on stereotyping.
Spertus's "Women and Minorities in Science and Engineering" provides an excellent set of pointers for people interested in this topic."
Isn't this what killed John Belushi? strredwolf writes "If you haven't heard, XFree86 4.0.1 is out in full force, with binaries and docs online. Slackware users can get the "Slackballs" via the Linux Mafia, along with other goodies." (Here's the direct link to the 4.0.1 files, but linuxmafia.org is worth exploring anyhow. Warning: it is an unabashed Pro-Slack Zone.)
This would be worth more than my car. Dredd13 writes "Empeg, Ltd., a UK company, shipped the first of its Mark 2 MP3 car-stereo to customers this past week. This is the same stereo that runs Linux and has won awards. The Mark2 is expected to be a full production run, (as opposed to the initial Mark1, which only had about 300 units) with enough to satisfy ample demand. As a former MkI owner (and one of the guys who got a Mark2 today from Mr. FedEx), I can say its worth every penny!" Slashdot's been following the Empeg saga for a while now; check out this item Rob posted in 1998. I hope they can bring the price down a bit, to better compete with the various mainstream MP3 players now emerging.
Forget novelization, I'm working on a screenplay. We'll call it, "Free Chilly Willy".
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As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.
Last night on the news there was a NASA interview, mostly about some other things, but they also asked the guy about the breakins.
His response, paraphrased, was "That was completely outside of NASA, the data was being sent from internal machines out to some medical researchers. It was their machine which had the problem, not NASA. The shuttle ground control computers are not hooked to the internet in any way."
Since this wasn't a spokesdroid, I'd give it a shred of credibility. I know NASA has been employing tiger teams to probe their security, and they've been shopping around for security firms to independantly audit their review of internal security. Sounds like their want to make sure they have an airgap around their life critical systems, so they can clearly dispute such panic mongering headlines as these.
the AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
If a woman wants a technical career, she has just as many options -- if not more, than a man. This is the year 2000. It isn't 1950. A woman isn't going to apply for a computer science scholorship and be told by the people who handle her applicant, "Oh, dearie -- don't you think a nice course in domestic engineering would be more suitable to a nice young lady like yourself?"
She may not be told this by the people who handle her application, but she may very well be told that by the other people in her life that may influence the decision - her parents, her friends, maybe her husband/boyfriend?
The point of this is not that the attitude is necessarily prevalent in the *industry* (though, the fact that the industry itself is even looking at this at all means that it's somewhat self perpetuated), but that the social condition exists that precludes women getting into highly technical endeavours - because, traditionally, the tech industry is *viewed* and (more importantly) *portrayed* as being male dominant.
This needs to change, on a social level, not an industrial one, and one of the things that can be done to assist this process by those in tech industries responsible for dictacting how the industry is portrayed (heck, you and I, lowly programmers/non-marketing types, definitely have a modicum of responsibility for this) is to make gender non-relevant in that portrayal.
i.e. don't even *bring it up* that there is a lack of women/men, but portray it in as gender-neutral a manner as possible. If this means balancing between interviewing male and female computer scientists for such banal things as Discovery channel documentaries on the subject of computer intelligence, etc. then so be it, but even that feeds the problem.
Because it's this *portrayal* that allows the social aberration of gender-bias to persist, and it's this aberration that precludes a lot of women from choosing high tech careers.
In other words: quit complaining that there aren't any hot chick programmers around. You're perpetuating the problem.
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Actually you would be suprised how often we do get exactly that type of language. When I was an engineering student, I got, from a few different professors famous lines like:
- Are you here to get your Mrs. degree?
- Women are never any good at circuits.
- Are you sure you are supposed to be in this class?
an my all time favorite, on the first day of class:
- Ah, I remember the good old days, when we didnt' admit women to this school. We flew the flag at half mast when women were first admitted. I don't think they should have been.
So, yes, women do put up with more BS than men in the field. Which is not to say that women can't make it. It just means that average women can't.
By the way, you notice that the "researchers" didn't interview boys? I expect you can find plenty of boys that will have similar points of view.
Okay, I was raised in that generation where we were 'struggling' for equality. Or was that carping about the fact that the men wanted to us to serve coffee and look at our tits....
So, we are told now that our children need us, that the workforce needs us, and that we have to make up for the lack of scientists and engineers that are being pushed out by the HB1A visas.
Um, you guys don't ask this much of -men-, why are you laying this crap on us girls? The GNP doesn't benefit from me being at home, but the kids do. And if the schools of the world would teach something other than political correctness on campus, people might have more time to study hard sciences.
Get the social engineering out of the picture and the world comes up downright better. I'm grabbing my rolling pin and going back to the kitchen now. Tata until after dinner!
In space, no one can hear you moo.
I am not for promoting a specific group of people simply to achieve some sort of equality in statistics, so that Universities, rights groups and government politicians can pat themselves on the back and feel they accomlpished something.
What I am wholly for, is the increase in educational oppertunities across the board. When I hear someone whine about how they are poor at math or science or computers because their teacher didn't call on them enough in school or their teacher didn't instill enough self-confidence in them (pardon me, but isn't self-confidence, by virtue of its name, something that cannot be instilled by an external force?) or because the "boys were too obnoxious and eager", it makes me want to wretch.
So, should we punish boys because they're sometimes eager to learn? Rediculous. Perhaps the problem isn't that boys often are louder and demand more attention when it comes to time in class-room, but that females do not demand the same and excersize their same unrestricted ability to raise their hand and shout "ooh! ooh! I know the answer!". You know what this suggests? Maybe there is something different between boys and girls after all. (Oh my gosh! No! That can't be!)
Perhaps what makes boys excel more often in science is precisely this same attitude and enthusiasm that is exhibited in grade school. Instead of shutting it down and tuning them out, in favor of shy quiet girls, coax the girls out of their shells.
Even if you don't have a teacher who does this -- for example, if you have a teacher who absolutely refuses to call on a single girl for an entire year and almost completely ignores them (perhaps he's some sort of demented sadist -- ooh! there I am again, assuming the male as the evil on -- oh gosh, I'm so sexist!), you can still achieve amazing things.
Most of my life in school, I was not one of the loud boisterous ones raising my hand every second to beat everyone else out in answering a question. Hell, after the first couple grades, my scores dropped horribly. A lot of it was due to insane family problems, but a lot of it was boredom. Absolutely, earth-stopping boredom.
In fact, I didn't exactly even graduate 10th grade. I don't even know that I had enough credits to graduate 9th grade. But I was able to quickly leave school, take my GED and SAT's (scoring in the absolute top percentiles of both) and walk more or less directly into a very high-paying career in the Valley (yes, the silicon one).
My parents disliked computers and videogames, thinking they were a waste of time and I should be doing yardwork or something. My school didn't know what good their obsolete computers were for other than teaching children how to type. And the only computer we had around the house until I was twelve years old, was a used VIC-20 (it didn't last long).
My parents eventually graduated to a 386 in 1989 or 1990, but I was almost never allowed to use it. It was a holy grail, used only to play solitaire religiously by my parents (and the occasional MindSweeper).
No, it wasn't until much much later when I sold most of my worthwhile posessesions as a teenager, that I was able to afford a computer. It was a 286 with a 20mb hard drive and an green monochrome monitor. Couple megabytes of RAM and no sound card.
I put an advertisement in the paper and within a week had sold this for almost double what I paid for it (I made a few minor improvements to the machine.. *cough*...)
I took that money and bought a 386 with a CGA monitor, 80mb hard drive and 4MB RAM. I ran my first (and very successful) BBS on this. I learned to write in BASIC on this. I learned to cause innocent trouble with minor security flaws in BBS software packages (such as Remote Access BBS and WWIV).
I was destined, due to my performence in school and my standing with my parents, to pump gas or work as a stock boy in a grocery store for the rest of my life. I was certain of it. There was no way I'd make anything out of myself.
I was, in a word, fucked.
Having a mind-numbing job in the physical labor market scared the hell out of me. I'm not exaggerating when I say that, in my teenage years, I thought of suicide as a possibility if I was going to be stuck in one of those jobs. No offense intended to people who work in those fields, but it isn't for me. I couldn't tolerate the six weeks at a fast food joint when I was sixteen, because it required zero mental ability and provided zero mental stimulation. I wanted to stick my head in the fry-grease and let my brain sizzle.
Some time ago, I was crossing the street late one night and was struck by a brand new shiny white Subaru. It hit me and kept going for about fifty feet before the driver even considered hitting the breaks. Then it threw me through the air another fifty feet. Thankfully, I landed in the street, on the nice safe asphalt. The car was obliterated and I could have walked away, if the bystanders hadn't insisted I wait for an ambulance. An hour later, I walked out of the hospital. Aside from soreness and pain in my joints for a month (a few visits to the chiropractor and I was back to normal) and picking asphalt and windshield out of my skull, I was fine.
It shook me somehow, though. Everyone in my family noticed it. I said "fuck it" and knew that I had the skills and dedication to do whatever the hell I wanted, regardless of my history in school. I would make sure that employers saw my ability and my dedication and gave me a shot, without concern of my poor performance in the past.
I grabbed a job providing tech support at a tech farm (one that does tech support for numerous companies at once). A year and a half later, and I was marketable. I left home and jumped to one of the absolute top technical companies in Silicon Valley (hint: They make a version of Unix).
Now I'm making more money than nearly anyone in my family, including college graduates with Masters degrees and a Doctor. I work in exactly the field I had wanted, making more money than I expected, learning more than I ever could dream -- and all without the formal education and attention and coddling that people tend to use the lack of as an excuse for their failing -- or their failing to try.
I'm slow. I have to spend a long time contemplating intellectual arguements and have difficulty parrying with people who are quicker, wittier, more worldly and better educated than me. My scores in the top percentiles of those SAT tests were sheer luck. Anyone could have pulled it off. I took the time to explain my long -- probably boring -- story, because I'm a nobody who would be lucky to fall into the middle of any category or ranking of anything. But I've done what a lot of people whine that they could never do. And that's bullshit. It's utter fucking bullshit. It's cowardice. It's fear.
Yes, you hav limits -- I couldn't become a neurosurgeon, just because I say I want to be one. But we're not talking about brain surgery -- we're talking about reading some books, playing around on a cheap computer, getting a foot in the door of the tech world via a low-level geek job, and then exploiting that until your whole body is in the door. In that respect, women are no different from men. In fact, as fierce and unwavering as I've known many women to be, there should be less of an excuse.
The only piece of advice I could give to parents -- especially mothers, is to instill in your daughters the understanding that they need to be outgoing enough to make it known when they are upset or have something to say, share or ask. It won't just help them in school, but in relationships and careers. It isn't the schools job, necessarily, to pamper your little girl and make sure absolutely every little whim and need is catered to, but it is certainly their role to address her questions and curiosities -- so give her the understanding and confidence to make those things known. I knew girls when I was in school -- even grade school, that would but the most fierce boys to shame. Do you know how the boys felt? A bit embarassed, but at the same time, there was this slightly not-understood feeling among all of us. There was something about a really smart and outgoing girl that made is grin and treat her with a little more respect than (as kids) we probably would have.
So that's all I have to say on this, I think. At least, you hope, right? *grin*.
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You're right, of course -- animals (including humans) are of a certain sex, words have gender.
But, the poster you responded to is probably referring to the lit-crit, "postmodern", "deconstructionist" re-definitions of these words, where sex is biologically determined, but of no import, and gender is socially determined. According to these theories, masculinity and femininity are completely social constructs, with no basis in biology. If a boy were reared as a girl, he would behave as a girl, and vice-versa.
For an excellent account just how dangerous these theories can be, read "As Nature Made Him." It tells the story of a boy who was accidentally castrated after birth in a botched circumcision operation, and raised as a girl. To make a long story short, it failed miserably. The kid had all sorts of problems, and persistently behaved like a boy. He eventually (at age 14) was told the truth, and went back to being a boy.
How does this relate to computer jobs and gender discrimination? Well, nobody knows for certain which traits are biologically vs. socially determined, and to what extents. However, we do know that boys and girls are subjected to different brain altering hormones (testosterone, estrogen, etc.) in the womb, and in puberty. We know that boys and girls are wired differently. So, it's a least possible that part of the cause of the discrepancy between the number of boys and girls who study computer science is biologically determined. Likely, even. An inequality of results does not necessarily indicate social stereotyping. But some people are unwilling to even consider this. This is a most unscientific prejudice.
Now, I know lots of women who are excellent programmers, and who enjoy their jobs. Letting girls know that programming can be fun and rewarding is a good idea, and might increase the number of girls going into computer related fields. We have a serious worker shortage in the industry, and girls can certainly learn how to program well, so why not encourage them to at least consider computers as a career. But I doubt that percentages will ever be 50/50, unless we live in a totalitarian state, which chooses the careers people go into for them.
In addition to "As Nature Made Him" (sorry, forgot the author's name), see recent books and articles for Christina-Hoff Sommers, on the dangers of politically correct and extreme feminist thinking re gender stereotyping, etc.
Stephen Molitor steve_molitor@yahoo.com
It's not really anybody's fault that girls tend not to pick technical fields - as my sociology professor put it, popular boys play with toys, and popular girls play with boys. Indirect pressure from media, culture and peers creates a push for girls and boys to play different roles. No one's forcing girls to play with Barbies, or boys to play with GI Joes, but girls and boys do look around to see what their friends are playing with.
Intelligent girls and boys who think for themselves can and will buck the cultural trend, if they so desire. There isn't any kind of real glass ceiling anymore (except the occasional old boys' network here and there), there just isn't a desire in boys and girls in general to break their respective social stereotypes. Heck, the article might as well have been about the repression of boys from joining the forces of happy homemakers cooking for the spouse and caring for the kids.
And as a side note, sex means the physical differences between men and women. Gender signifies the different social roles that men and women undertake. At least according to my psychology textbook.
Light a fire for a man and he'll be warm for a day. Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Thanks for the links to my documents/sites on gender and computing. The most comprehensive site is actually The Ada Project.
Hey, I'm a person, and I haven't had sex in ages! Stop the discrimination!
:)
Maybe I should start an organisation called "GUFOGEL" (Geeks United For the Objective of Getting Laid)...
It might as well be a for-profit org.
Ah well.
To the editors: your English is as bad as your Perl. Please go back to grade school.
That is not a geek. For a geek, work is life. You don't stop work at 5pm, just because it's the end of the working day. If they make you go home, you go home, and as soon as you recover from the inconvenience of having to interrupt your work long enough to make the commute home, you work on your project some more. Not because you're getting paid for it, but because it's what you live for. Maybe you don't actually write code at home, but you think about possibilities, figure out how to do something, maybe read some documentation, discuss a problem online. It's the drive, the passion, that makes a geek.
Geeks are a rare breed, and female geeks are even more rare. I've known a few, and they're impressive - most moreso than many of the male geeks I know, probably in part due to the fact that they've had to work harder to get to where they are (due to social stereotyping and discrimination and such). These are the people we need more of, in both sexes. This is what needs to be encouraged.
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As someone else said, popular people don't like geeks, and often male geeks don't like female geeks. Why? One of the possible reasons: guys generally place more importance on physical appearance than women do, and geeks are frequently not that physically attractive, partially because the intensity with which they devote themselves to their work leaves little room for fashion and hygiene. There are always exceptions, but most of the female geeks I've known have not been particularly attractive physically. Does physical appearance really matter, when you're just talking about hacking C code? No, but as you'll recall from Pulp Fiction, neither is a foot massage sexual.
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Flame away.
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The typical language used is such to suggest victimization, inequality, unfairness -- a need to be encouraged, given a nudge, coddled.
Look, I'm sorry that there isn't one women for every man in the technical work force. That's just too bad. But when, in stories such as that previously exampled, illustrates reasons such as "who wants a stuffy 9 to 5 job?" and "you have to be, like, so precise and stuff with computers" and "let Bill Gates do it all -- why should I have to?", a great deal of empathy and sympathy is lost.
If a woman wants a technical career, she has just as many options -- if not more, than a man. This is the year 2000. It isn't 1950. A woman isn't going to apply for a computer science scholorship and be told by the people who handle her applicant, "Oh, dearie -- don't you think a nice course in domestic engineering would be more suitable to a nice young lady like yourself?"
There are hundreds of thousands of extremely successful women out there who made the system work for them, just like men have to. To suggest that a woman can't make it becuase of the big bad sexist teachers, men and society is ludicrous. I know it seems mean-hearted and politically off-the-deep-end to say things like this, but people need to grow up. You get what you get, and it isn't handed to you. If you're going to make it in a career, it's going to be because you work your ass off to attain it, not because your fifth grade teacher called on you more often than someone else when it came to answering an algebra question.
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*augh* That's a joke based on the fact that "sex" can be a verb or an adjective.
As other people have pointed out, words change their meaning over time as social needs change. We are a *long* way from the time when "sex-as-a-verb" meant a man porking his wife (always man-on-top, vaginal only, etc.) For several generations the most pressing social question involving "sex" wasn't "are you an innie or an outie", it was "do you sleep with your girlfriend?" (premarital sex, cohabitation), "do you sleep with your buddies?" (homosexuality), and the like.
If you're in a grammar class and really, really need to follow the archaic rules people have sex. If you're in a psychology (or sociology?) class people have sex and act out their gender. Anywhere else "sex" is what people do with the parts of their anatomy that give them "gender."
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
In colder places (such as AK) wouldn't the hard drives freeze in the winter? I've debated building a car MP3 player but the winter temperatures around here made me decide otherwise.
There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
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How is it we're able to track two penquins in the ocean on a webpage via satellite, but I still can't find where my cat hides all afternoon?
Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs.
Pamela and some of the other lady penguins stopped for lunch. Afterwards, there was a protracted discussion of who had had which dish, who owed how much, and why hadn't anyone remembered to bring their coin purse and do you think that the establishment will take a charge card?
When they couldn't find the headwaiter, they remembered where they were and got back in motion.