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Slashback: Rumination, Apologies, Kisses

This is Slashback. Read it before it's wrong again. Find out more about Mandrake's new honcho, the neurons firing in the American legal system's brains on Napster, Yet Another Cool GPLization, and Larry's new toy.

View the meal from which the soundbite was extracted! Jim Tyre writes: "When Slashdot reported on the preliminary injunction against Napster, and then on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals' stay of that injunction, a missing piece was the actual ruling by the lower court, since it was an oral ruling from the bench, and a transcript had not yet been made available. C|Net now has the transcript here, and it makes for good reading for those interested in what the court's thinking was, not just the result."

On second thought, I'd rather not dance. Andreas writes: "As reported by the Heise Newsticker The German company CMG, which threatened to sue over the use of their registered name SAMBA, has stepped down from their plans. Nice to see at least some kind of clueness."

The article is in German, but the fish renders it quite intelligible.

If you want a kiss from CmdrTaco, you must be this big ... ClubNation writes: "Empeg have released their MP3 car player download software under the GPL. Before now you could only get an i386 binary for Linux, but now the source should build on pretty much anything with GCC or another good Posix C++ compiler with STL. I've heard on the empeg BBS that it builds out of the box on PPC and someone's working on a native Mac version.

You can get the code from their Web site or from their Geek Site which is also pretty cool and has a photo of CmdrTaco and Hemos in the photo album!"

And even though companies like Aiwa and Kenwood are selling MP3 head-units, the Empeg has one of the coolest industrial designs I've seen in anything for a long time. When I am a bazillionaire, I will put the Mark XXII in my Escort;)

So, in layman's terms, what might these projects be? Robert McMillan writes: "Linux Magazine has an interview with the brand new CEO of MandrakeSoft, Henri Poole. In it, he says that Tucows has apologized to his company about the Penguin Payola controversy. Poole also hints at some new open source projects that MandrakeSoft will be sponsoring in the next year and talks about what former CEO Jacques Le Marois will be doing now."

And now it's time for a mini, mini, mini review: invisik writes: "I got my NIC (New Internet Computer) yesterday. It's definitely a Linux box, running Netscape Navigator (browser only) 4.73, in 800x600 (can't change it). Connects easily to their ISP, your ISP, or your ethernet connection (DHCP or static IP). Has some utilities to make life easier, telnet, ssh, citrix, vnc, IRC clients. Also some games, solitaire, etc, etc. Speed is good, it doesn't really have much running on it to bog it down, though. And there's a little red light that flashed when it seen network activity--pretty cool. Not too bad for $199 if you really need some decent connectivity to your office (ssh/citrix/telnet) which I'd guess most other Internet terminal-type devices lack ..."

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  1. Napster; Pirate or Privateer? by Nanookanano · · Score: 3

    Indeed, 'nature abhors a vacuum,' and 'some things are too good to last.' Napster served an important and positive market function by responding to a new media and demand. It stimulate market interest in soft copies of a vast resource of older music that existed below the threshold of profitablilty. Now that the corporate world (and thus the legal world) have taken attention to this new frontier, Napster will fade away and the Columbia Music type services will pave-over this once wild eutopia.

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    1. Re:Napster; Pirate or Privateer? by chasec · · Score: 3

      I disagree; while commercial services may become popular, Napster and other file-sharing services will never go away. Look at opennap or gnutella. I don't think these will go away anytime soon. A quick look at gnapster shows 46 opennap servers available. Gnutella has many thousands of hosts.
      Whether or not piracy is legal, it is unstoppable.

  2. Re:imac by Buttercup · · Score: 3

    You could probably repackage the iMac as a network computer for $325... maybe call it the iSore.

    MJP

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  3. Point out the absurdity of the Napster suits!!! by stuyman · · Score: 5
    I've been seriously considering this for a while, and given how all these decisions appear to go, I think it may be time to execute. What does anyone think of getting a class action together and suing the makers of ziploc baggies?

    The makers of this heinous product have given the common criminals of the world a fairly powerful method of drug storage and distribution. Ziplocs not only keep the drug in, but also keep out moisture! They help you to avoid being caught by limiting the odors that the drug emits. They can be used as a protective device when smuggling drugs in your intestinal tract!

    It's about time they were sued for contributory drug trafficking. Either A) They'd lose, and we'd no for sure that freedom is dead or B) They'd win, and we'd have proved the absurdity of the Napster suits. A manufacturer or programmer should be held liable for direct damage from the product. (Ziplocks coated with benzene before packaging would kill people, and it'd be there fault, but it would be your fault if you stored crack in it.) Likewise, Napster should be responsible if their software is actually a virus, but not if other people violate the law. What happened to the common carrier concept?

    The way telephone companies preserve their rights and avoid liability is by not censoring anything. As soon as they do, they become liable for anything they don't censor. By simply carrying any sound, they aren't forced to be police. That's what the police are for.

    Sue ziploc!! together we will win the battle against stupid lawsuits (or possibly just get lots of cash from ziploc).

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  4. Ah, the NIC... by Rombuu · · Score: 5

    Oracle is going to keep reinventing the "Network Computer" until people decide to actually start buying them, aren't they?

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    1. Re:Ah, the NIC... by geist42 · · Score: 3

      I just recently bought one of these as well, just to see what it was about. Arrived in the mail a few days ago, pretty small little thing, but it was up on the internet in about 2 minutes. Theres really not much to it, first thing i did after hooking it up was to take it apart of course, small little 8x8 inch motherboard, its got a pentium looking processor there (socket 7 it looks like), along with a standard pc100 DIMM, a laptop cdrom (hooked up with a standard IDE cable, ill tell you why thats important in a bit.) and whats this.. A normal Award bios chip. This got me thinking.. I hope someone can help, or at least tell me im nuts, but I have an extra motherboard here, with a flashable bios award chip, looks the same size and all. I figure I can take the bios chip that came with the NIC, take it out, and take a brand new flashed bios chip, hook up a hard drive to the ide cable, and wala. Ive had this idea in my head the day I got it, but havent been able to work on it yet. I figure I can get some sort of generic award bios, which should let me in there to tell it what hard drive it has, and bootup to a small and cheap linux box. If anyone is interested in this, post back, ill put up a review of it after im done, if anyone else does it lemme know! (by the way the thing gets damn hot!) I might have it up on www.bahemut.com if I get a chance, been very busy lately though.

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  5. Napster - key point was SUPERVISION by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 3
    The court: But plaintiffs have argued, and I think persuasively, that defendant is capable of exercising supervisory powers over its service.
    This is a key element of the ruling. Napster was not just providing a device, with no assocation with the user after a sale. To wit:
    Although defendant, as I said, contends that it is technologically difficult to distinguish copyrighted and authorized from not copyrighted or copyrighted and unauthorized, defendant has taken great paints to inform the court about methods it uses for blocking users about whom rights holders complain. The defendant can in fact police, and will have to given the nature of its program and the very purposes of it, police its service. And the court finds that, in fact, the defendant does have the right and ability to supervise.
  6. Napster court analogy humor by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 3
    This was hilarious - regarding an amount of a bond to be posted:
    Ramos: I begin by reference to your honor's analogy about the orphan asking for the mercy of the court. This is the orphan not only asking for the mercy of the court but asking the court for compensation for the loss of the parents the orphan killed.
  7. Re:College students with money to pay the RIAA? by substrate · · Score: 3
    For a realistic survey they should've picked a suitable sized random population of music listeners who uses Napster and an equal sized random population of music listners who don't use Napster. I'm not too sure the results would've been any more favourable for the "But it encourages us to buy your CD's" argument, but thats just my personal statistics looking at highly payed engineer and computer scientist friends.

    Considering the quantity of beer consumed by college students, pleading poverty doesn't hold a whole lot of water though. It also doesn't excuse copywrite violation, music isn't a necessity and the radio is free as are most local bands if you bother to go to the bars where they play.

  8. Napster ruling - something flawed? by Proteus · · Score: 5
    Having read the transcript, I find that the judge, though seemingly having a small amount of bias toward the RIAA, did its best to make a fair ruling. That's not to say I agree with it.

    Particularly troubling is the Court's assertion that a personal computer does not constitute a home audio recording device. This could raise the issue of recording MP3's for personal use could come under fire. Besides that, since a PC can be (and commonly is) used to record audio, I think it falls well into the definition of a Home Audio Recording Device. If you doubt it's common, why does Windows include Sound Recorder??

    That one comment is enough to make me a bit wary of the Judge's technical understanding of what is at stake in the Napster trials.

    All of that said, I do think Napster et al will have a hard time showing that their primary purpose is noninfringing -- they shot themselves in the foot by advertising thier capacity to allow users to infringe. I think it would be in thier best interest to show why someone who legally owns a song (i.e. on CD) would download rather than rip an MP3. I think that case could be made: with my DSL, I can download a song much faster than I can rip and encode!

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  9. Translation (slightly OT) by TJamieson · · Score: 3

    Just wanted to say, I've found when visiting non-english sites that FreeTranslation works better than the Fish. http://www.freetranslation.com for those interested.

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  10. Re:And the obvious difference is... by Snard · · Score: 3

    Are you sure about this? I just bought a Slim Jim and tried opening someone's car door with it, and it just gets all mushed up and stuff. And it doesn't even taste good anymore. Perfectly good wasted of a buck, if you ask me.

    Maybe I should have let it sit out in the sun for a week to get harder or something.

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  11. The bias is subtle and broad, if anything by slashTadhg · · Score: 3

    I don't think the judge is biased in the narrow sense, but rather in the larger sense in that she is a conservative (not in the sense of 'Republican') who will simply interpret the law according to previous cases and the current laws--without regard to larger issues, such as constitutional limits on the powers of copyright, or examination of how these laws are getting out of hand. And that's not all a judge's role is, in fact. Judges can and have made larger, more sweeping, statements. But Patel isn't of that mold, I suspect. Here's a pretty key statement, in my opinion:

    "I cannot essentially sit by [because the infringement is hard to justify], and plaintiffs are entitled to enforce their copyright rights and not have them infringed just because the nature of the technology is such that it's too hard to identify."

    This is a fairly sweeping statement. Basically, this would allow the copyright-holders to enforce their copyrights against anything. Including the net as a whole. This is another area where the judge is not, in my opinion, considering the implications of the current state of copyright law. Also, no consideration anywhere is made of the good that the Napster service provides to the community in general. Again, a conservative and narrow view, focused on money and profit, because that's the traditional focus of this kind of case. That's not entirely Patel's fault, of course.

    Another thing that interests me is the fact that intent is considered, quite explicitly, by Patel. I didn't realize that the intent of the creators of a device could have such a large part to play in the legal fate of that device. If Napster had been created in all innocence of infringement issues, would it have a stronger defense? Or can intent merely be used as ammunition for the plaintiffs? It's hard, at this point, to imagine innocence or in fact almost anything being a viable argument, based on intent, for the defense. Which again is more of a systemic issue--one that Patel is not that concerned with, in my opinion. Naturally this brings up some of the weaknesses of the judicial system in general, but I won't address that here.

    So, what's next? If difficulty-of-enforcement is no defense, what networks are safe? The only real defense that the net itself has is that it is distributed, that it is really really big (in terms of numbers using) and that it was around for quite some time before an suits were brought against it (which would give it some defense in the intent stakes, and make it seem more like a victim of late-coming abusive users than a collaborator in copyright infringement). But any new network is it real trouble, because it doesn't have any of those defenses, and proving innocence of intent will be almost impossible. So, the copyright rulings have an additional chilling factor on technological development as well as the already-existing one on free speech; cf. cases concerning parody in particular. It would seem that the only real hope is for some titanic ruling (such as one against the entire Internet) that dramatically shows up the deleterious effects of the current 'IP' laws, and thus brings about a radical shift in direction. I'm not holding my breath.

    The final page of the transcript, showing Patel's exchanges with the attorneys, supports the above view. Patel (and I suspect she is in the mainstream of American judicial opinion here) considers Napster (and probably any other new thing that comes along and facilitates copyright infringement) to be a genie let out of the bottle. And she considers it the responsibility of Napster, the company, to put it back in the bottle. In other words, any new thing that is created that can be used to infringe copyright is going to be forced, judicially, to deal with that use or cease operation. That may sound reasonable at first, but look at it more closely and think again. Copyright infringement is very easy to do these days, due to the massive efforts put in by interested parties to extend the concept of copyright. What this ruling, and the laws that made it possible, essentially do is give to the major interested parties (MPAA, RIAA, etc.) the power to veto new technologies.

    ('Hey look, I've created a device that can duplicate anything! An end to poverty! An end to hunger! An end--what? You're representing who? What do you mean, an injunction?')

    1. Re:The bias is subtle and broad, if anything by HamNRye · · Score: 4

      Another thing that interests me is the fact that intent is considered, quite explicitly, by Patel. I didn?t realize that the intent of the creators of a device could have such a large part to play in the legal fate of that device. If Napster had been created in all innocence of infringement issues, would it have a stronger defense?

      Gosh, that seems pretty reasonable to me... The issue that we're debating is not the legality etc..., but the state of the injunction. Since their primary intent and raison'd'etre is music piracy, should the site be shut down while we consider the legality of this? Yes. If their primary intent and business was the sharing of (non-copyrighted) cookie recipes, can you justify the shutting down of the entire site?? They are not being blamed for an unexpected side effect, or unintentional use, but for designing and promoting a tool to be used for theft. From your comment it would seem you are not a total stranger to law, isn't this considered "malice and forethought"??

      At this point I would like to point out that I refer to it as theft because that is what it is under modern law.

      Judges are taught to observe the "Letter of Law" as well as the "Spirit of Law", IMHO, Napster has definitely violated the letter of the law, [All rights reserved. Unauthorized duplication, hiring, lending public performance, and broadcasting is a violation of applicable laws.] and is treading a fine line with the spirit of the law. By conservative we mean to say she more closely observes the letter of the law, as opposed to the spirit of the law. Napster is trying to turn this in to a debate of copyright laws, but in reality they are simply trying to profit from an illegal trade. (Isn't that the CIA's job??)

      The point is that they tread shaky legal ground in this arena and they have the audacity to tease the lions. If you reverse engineer a program to figure out why it crashes your system is that different than doing it to sell a "pirated" version?? I do believe so. What happened with Napster was not an unexpected consequence, but the design and purpose of the system.

      Why do we love the laws against spam and rail against the laws against theft? I guess that we're just not the victims.....

      Perhaps we should just phrase it "All technology is good except that which can be used to spy on or annoy me. If the technology harms a large enough corporation it's even better."

      ~Jason

      "I'm not biased, just consistent in my position."

  12. Perspective, perspective, perspective by gunner800 · · Score: 3

    Would suing over the SAMBA name seem so clueless in Germany?


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  13. NIC to the rescue by Kalrand · · Score: 3

    Hmm... All we need is a NIC running a GNU mp3 player stapeled to my dashboard and WHAMO!

    Instant car mp3 player.

    Kalrand

    -the voice of reason

  14. Re:NICs are the future by evanbd · · Score: 3
    My TV does...sorta...

    After much duct tape, electrical tape, solder, etc. My ride-on lawnmower now has HDTV, a DVD player, and 5.1 Dolby Digital surround sound. It also has a NIC running over 802.11b to the home network and internet connection, all properly hacked together off the lawnmower alternator. The power was unclean at first, but that got fixed after only 3 computers and 2 DVD players. The TV seems to not like the bumps, and is slowly getting more staticky (sp?). Oh yeah, I decided I needed a splashguard after that incident with the neighbor's cat, so now it's waterproof too. Anyway, my wife is now telling me to stop mowing the lawn all the time. I can't decide whether I just shouldn't mow it three times a week or if she's just mad about the rosebush. But all in all, not too bad. Lemme know if you want more details.

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  15. And another obvious difference is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    If you people would bother to read the RIAA response to Napster's stay request, you'd see the clear difference.

    Take the Xerox lawsuit. They were sued because they aided in the duplication of copyrighted printed materials. Same with the Sony lawsuit - their VHS technology allowed the reproduction of television transmissions, and allowed the duplication of copyrighted casettes.

    The difference being - Sony and Xerox sell a consumer good. At the point of sale, their involvement in the use of the product ends. They don't have a wire going into their boxes from their headquarters feeding it copyrighted stuff - they just say "Here you go, do what you want."

    Napster, on the other hand, is involved during the entire process. They own the client, and they own the servers that allow the sharing of files. If they would've been more like Gnutella where client connects to another client with no middleman servers, RIAA probably wouldn't have as strong of a case. Instead, they opened themselves to liability by incorporating a business solely to aid in the distribution of copyrighted materials.

  16. Re:"POSIX C++ compiler" by seebs · · Score: 3

    POSIX doesn't specify compilers. You mean an ANSI/ISO compiler with a POSIX library.

    Compiler and library are, fairly often, separate tools.

    It's dimly possible that POSIX has special C++ bindings, but so far as I know, they still just use the POSIX C bindings, and rely on the link-compatability with C++.

    There is no such thing as POSIX C++. There is such a thing as ISO C++ on a POSIX system, but that's subtly different.

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  17. College students with money to pay the RIAA? by AethericFlux · · Score: 5
    But selecting out college students, I don't think was inappropriate and, therefore, does not negate the entire study.

    Sure... pick the market segment most technologically able and with the lowest income, and then whinge about the fact that they don't buy your music.
    'OK... I just won't bother eating for a week, then I can buy myself a CD.'
    yay.

  18. NIC comments from someone who 0wNs one by Seth+Cohn · · Score: 3

    Got a NIC in the first shipment. Added a bash shell hack the first night. Posted screenshots to the website the first night. (http://www.bestkungfu.com/nicfit)

    It's a cute little box, and for the price, quite reasonable. Try to build a thin client cheaper, and you'd be hard pressed. Yes, you could add a harddrive, but WHY?

    Runs Linux, quite nicely. It's a homebrew, not based on anyone else's distro. This from the horse's mouth...

    The 4 meg is an IDE flash disk, and it's a little daughterboard. You could remove it and use it elsewhere (hint hint)

    The guys at Thinknic are GREAT... and they have been VERY very supportive and more on the mailing list(s). Everything we could wish for and more.

    As for the GPL, they ARE going to release source... already asked for it, and it's been assured to me they will be taking care of it. In fact, I told them that a /. thread was gonna happen on it. Gee, I love when I'm right (too easy to predict /. these days)

    Tonight I cracked the root password for the box, so I not only own one, I 0wN one. (grin)

    Personally, I want to see additional CD and flash stuff developed for it. It's happening now... check out the mailing lists for more details (egroups.com)

    Larry has a hit on his hands. I can see lots of people and companies buying these. Custom CDs will be used by companies, making upgrading a breeze. Schools, hotels, libraries, other public places will benefit from a cheap and useful terminal that won't be easily broken.

    Summary: Recommended. Highly. Cheap and good.

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  19. NIC...Good Idea? by pheonix · · Score: 3

    Personally, I think this is a brilliant idea. As a internet connected "appliance" for people like my grandparents (who are vaguely interested in this "newfangled internet thing") or those who have no real need or desire for a PC, but wish to get email and browse the web.

    On that note, where's the ability to read email? You'd only be able to use web based email as far as I can tell with this. That seems like a mistake. How much more difficult would it have been to add the ability to use NS Communicator and have one piece of functionality added? It wouldn't have added much overhead, space, or difficulty, so far as I can tell.

    Any ideas why they didn't include something of that nature?

  20. What I Love Mandrake For by Hrunting · · Score: 5

    To be honest, I've never had much success with Mandrake (I've tried to install their distro both by FTP and from a CD image numerous times and always had it fail for some non-user-related error (a crash, a failed dependency, something). However, they most unheralded project which they currently support and use has got to be Supermount. The new author (forget his name) has managed to update the patches all the way up to 2.3.99pre5, and those patches should work with the latest 2.4.0test kernels as well.

    What does supermount do? Basically, it virtually mounts your filesystems and then monitors the drives to see whether or not they should be really mounted. This means that you can mount the floppy drive as supermountfs, stick in a floppy, access the drive, remove the floppy, stick in a new floppy, access the drive, etc. etc. Basic removeable media flexibility, just like other OSs. It's something that Linux desperately needs to allow it to compete in the desktop market, and it isn't a kludge like autofs.

    I've used it for quite some time with no problems, but Mandrake continues to help maintain this when it needs to and their distro has included it for quite some time. I may not be able to use Mandrake, but at least I can use some of their efforts.