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NY DeCSS Case: Final Briefs Online

Iambic Pentametor writes "Defendants' brief is here and plaintiffs' is here. Openlaw has very comprehensive coverage including an ongoing discussion commenting on the briefs. The decision by Judge Kaplan is expected probably within a week."

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  1. Net censorship by FascDot+Killed+My+Pr · · Score: 5

    I wonder if net filtering software allows its users to look at "online briefs"
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  2. But... what will it do? by Chairboy · · Score: 4

    No matter what the ruling is, what could it do? Even if the websites are found against, all the court could do is assign some improbable damage figure that nobody would collect. The websites would appeal, and the legal system would have another go at it a year from now in appeals court.

    If Kaplan rules in favor of the defendants, does that mean that the aggressors will be forced to pay the legal fees of the defense? If not, this whole thing is a lose-lose situation.

    Even if the studios end up on the losing side, they just go play a couple rounds of golf and laugh about it over drinks. The defendants, on the other hand, will be stuck with hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees.

    This case is far from over. It hasn't gotten bloody yet.

  3. Is Bill Gates Next? by jyuter · · Score: 4

    Let me get this straight. The kid made a program for himself to see legally purchased DVDs, but since the program could be used for illegal piracy he was sued. By this logic, software makers could sue Gates for including the "copy" command as it could be used for piracy. Anyone remember copy *.* a: b:?



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    1. Re:Is Bill Gates Next? by evanbd · · Score: 4

      Even better: WMP7. Windows Media Player 7 has one-click audio CD creation (or some such.. I haven't used it yet.). Should be able to go after them for promoting music piracy. I don't see HOW anyone is going to use this except to create copies of CDs or compilations of CDs. Granted, it may be for personal use, but people are saying that that's not legal... Sounds fun to me :)

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    2. Re:Is Bill Gates Next? by DrQu+xum · · Score: 3

      Better yet, Gate$ should be sued for knowingly integrating VBScript in Outlook, as it could (and obviously has) lead to virus propagation and the loss of trillions* (why lose trillions when you could lose--BILLIONS? :) of dollars by companies whose servers and workstations were crashed.

      <cynicism=on>
      Of course, when individuals and small companies whine about losing money because of a large corporation's f**kup, nothing happens.
      When a big honkin' group (e.g. RIAA, MPAA) whines about possibly losing money because of a little program that subverts a monopolization technique, the consumer gets the shaft.
      </cynicism>

      *-blatant exaggeration, but if the MPAA/RIAA can do it, why can't I? :)

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    3. Re:Is Bill Gates Next? by Yardley · · Score: 3

      http://bioinformatics.u csf.edu/bwtaylor/dvd/LOC_109_RFC.txt

      It is difficult to identify any idea that the Supreme Court has rebuffed so repeatedly as the movie industry's overly agressive interpretation of intellectual property rights. Movie industry credibility on copyright should be treated like the tobacco industry on health matters: listen to what they say and believe the opposite.

      Normally, one would expect a Federal Judge to identify such clear overreaching. The collective market power of the MPAA studios bears down on the DVD player market, forcing an unwanted licence down the throats of any would be competitor. The violation of antitrust laws, and the misuse of intellectual property are so obvious it shocks the conscience.

      Sadly, the judge in the NY DVD case refuses to recognize these arguments, but, as he admits, his former law firm was responsible for advising Time Warner on DVD antitrust matters while the Judge practiced there. Despite this, Judge Kaplan refuses to recuse himself. No reasonable person could believe that such a judge would repudiate the prophylactic antitrust work of his own firm, and any hope of a fair judgement must be abandoned. The recent precedent in Panama v. American Tobacco Company, No. 99-30685 (5th Cir. 7/20/2000) on a very similar recusal situation only confirms that the judge should have stepped down. Fortunately, the integrity of the process the Copyright Office has been using is beyond reproach.


      http://bioinformatics.u csf.edu/bwtaylor/dvd/LOC_109_RFC.txt

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    4. Re:Is Bill Gates Next? by Janthkin · · Score: 3

      Think about it: If I'm allowed to de-encrypt DVD's to play them on my computer, then I should be allowed to de-compile software to port it to other operating systems, right? I should be allowed to distribute this de-compiler at large so that people can run their software under unintended operating systems? I don't hardly think so.

      Actually...maybe. And do you know why? Because you don't BUY software in the same way you buy a DVD. You only LICENSE the software. Now, you'll have to the EULA (which may or may not be legal; that one's still up in the air) as to whether or not it restricts your access to the software to a particular platform. But if reverse engineering is legal (always has been; still will be, if the EFF is successful w/this), and all your software does is operate WITH the software you received (you're not rewriting/reselling the original software), fair use seems to cover this.

      Oh, and example: Hmmm....how about Connectix? All they do is make an emulator that (effectively) ports software from one platform to another. It's been tried, it's legal, and Sony can't do anything about it.

  4. Re:But... what will it do? by Lucretius · · Score: 3
    Even if the studios end up on the losing side, they just go play a couple rounds of golf and laugh about it over drinks. The defendants, on the other hand, will be stuck with hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees.

    Well, there are more facets of this case than just the monetary value alone. As far as the legal fees go, I have to agree that the legal fees are pocket change for the studios whereas the EFF is most likely straining its resources to be able to pull this off.

    However, there is much more at stake here than just legal fees, and that is legal precedent. If the EFF wins in this case, the studios (and many other people) will lose out in potential profits and the EFF will have made a massive step forward in our rights to reverse engineering and fair use (something which is abused both by consumers and by the corporations in my humble opinion) -- and I suppose we could throw in free speech as well.

  5. Fallback to UCITA? by BaronM · · Score: 3
    If MPAA loses this case on the intellectual property merits, could they change strategy and rely on UCITA to protect themselves? My reasoning is thus:

    1. UCITA legitimizes shrinkwrap/clickwrap agreements as enforceable contracts.

    2. DVDs are shrink-wrapped.

    3. Dvds are software (bits is bits, right?).

    Therefore, all MPAA has to do is start including a license agreement with DVD, which you accept by breaking the shrinkwrap, which states that you are voluntarily surrendering your right to use the software on anything other thatn a licensed playback device. Presto! Instant contract. And contract law trumps pretty much everything.

    Lawyers, am I right, or just blowing smoke?

  6. Fair use == no regional encoding?? by Janthkin · · Score: 4

    From the EFF brief:
    Plaintiffs allege that privately watching a purchased movie using a disapproved player is a violation of the copyright owner's legal rights; that the mere existence of a Linux DVD player which allows one to watch legitimate movies purchased anywhere on the globe is actionable. We hope that this Court will find that legitimate holders of copyrighted works have an unfettered legal right to privately experience those works (in addition to any fair use rights they may have).

    IANAL, but it seems that (indirectly) the EFF is also arguing against regional encoding, in addition to everything ELSE they cover. In essence, if you buy this disc, you should be able to watch it everywhere you'd could possibly desire to. This rocks. :)

  7. Wait one damn minute here by H3lldr0p · · Score: 4

    To quote from the defendant's papers:

    We agree with plaintiffs and the Court that the authority of the copyright owner is a matter of law, not a matter of fact.

    Am I reading this correctly?

    That they actually acknowledge that copyrights, et. al. are actually legal fiction that is foisted upon the public at large?

    Wow.

  8. Precedent by rjh · · Score: 4

    No matter what the ruling is, what could it do?

    Short answer: Precedent. Already there's caselaw from the Sixth and Ninth Circuits which holds that, in some instances, computer source code can be Constitutionally-protected speech. These cases have revolved only around cryptographic code, though; DeCSS is the first case where computer source code, without any qualifications, has been presented as warranting First Amendment protections.

    If the judge rules (as I expect he will) that DeCSS possesses expressive content, a lot of the DMCA will be in jeopardy, and maybe UCITA, too. We (the hacker/geek community) will now have three different legal precedents to stand on in the event that future lawsuits are filed against us. "Don't like our programs?" we can say. "Tough luck! Free Software is Free Speech!"

    This will scare the hell out of half the intellectual-property lawyers in the country, and will make the other half giggle with delight.

    I don't like 2600. I think that Eric Corley/Emmanuel Goldstein is, mostly, a boil on the ass of the community. But if he gets the right to freely talk about DeCSS and how to circumvent access controls on DVDs (probably the only thing he and I will ever agree on), then I get the right to freely talk about things I find interesting which the Government would rather I didn't.

    That, to me, is the most important thing which is coming out of the 2600 trial. I don't give half a damn what happens to Goldstein. I give a damn what happens to me. And if the law will protect Goldstein, how much more will it protect me?

    This is the same logic Larry Flynt used in his First Amendment trial. It was good logic then, and it's good logic now.

  9. Let's look at the possibilites here by Sentsix · · Score: 5

    This is actually pretty clear cut, with three possible outcomes:

    #1. Defendants Win:
    The immediate result is widespread beer-drenched parties thrown by open-source/hacker/free-speech types, who cook hamburgers and use the remaining charcoal to burn record execs in effigy. The following day not only is DeCSS available everywhere, it also has a user friendly interface and over 15,000 skins. Within 48 hours there are over 1,500 posts about the subject on slashdot.

    #1. Plaintifs Win:
    The immediate result is widespread beer-drenched parties thrown by anyone who receives money from the movie industry. During the party the execs start to plan a "Running Man" type picture staring the 2600 crew (which ends with "that bastard Goldstien" being eaten alive by his own computer. The following day there are several thousand people of varying ages either in jail, or on the run trying to avoid incarceration. Within 48 hours there are over 1000 posts about the subject on slashdot (There would be more, but there's only so much bandwidth out of Canada).

    #3. One side wins, the other appeals:
    The immediate result everyone bitches about the ruling at beer-drenched parties. The following day there are over 1,500 posts about this subject on slashdot.

    Bottom line? This lawsuit is nothing but a tool in the conspiracy by Hemos to raise Slashdot traffic. You heard it here first!

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  10. Judges and Constitutionality by rjh · · Score: 5

    Every United States judge, without exception, is authorized to decide whether or not laws which come before them are Constitutional. The lowest magistrate (the lowest rung on the Federal judicial ladder) can declare laws unconstitutional (they never do this, of course--small worm, big freakin' hook, all that). District judges (the next ladder up) do it more often than magistrates do. Appellate judges are where the real judicial power is exercised; 99.9% of all judicial cases in the United States end at the appellate level.

    We hear about Supreme Court decisions because the Supreme Court's jurisdiction is the entire United States, plus all of its territories and holdings. Appellate decisions only affect a few states; District and Magisterial decisions only affect the district in which they preside.

    For instance, in Bernstein v. US, coming out of California District Court, District Judge Marilyn Patel declared certain portions of the ITAR/EAR to be unconstitutional. The very instant Judge Patel entered her ruling, those unconstitutional portions of ITAR/EAR were annulled--in fact, the instant she entered her ruling, those portions of ITAR/EAR were retroactively declared to have never existed. (Legally, unconstitutional laws are void "ab initio"--"from the very beginning". It's as if the laws were never passed.)

    At some level of the Executive Branch, it was decided to appeal this decision. It went from a California District court to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers most of the West Coast. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed Judge Patel's ruling. Suddenly, those portions of ITAR/EAR were null and void throughout the entire Ninth Circuit.

    Had the Executive Branch appealed the decision to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court heard the case, and the Supreme Court affirmed Judge Patel's ruling, those portions of ITAR/EAR would have become null and void throughout the entire United States, its territories and holdings.

  11. Summary by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 3
    Plaintif's points:
    - Defendant didn't prove that DeCSS is widely available
    - Defendant didn't prove that DeCSS would become widely available
    - Plaintiff will be really annoyed if defendant wins.

    Defendant's points:
    - DeCSS provides additional fair use of legitimately obtained copyrighted products
    - Nobody has EVER challenged the right of the purchaser to reasonably use a purchased work
    - Plaintiff has not shown in any way that DeCSS has affected DVD piracy
    - The DeCSS program is a 1st-Amendment-protected description of a scientific process.

    Sounds like a slam-dunk for the defense.

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  12. Thoughts by Ketzer · · Score: 5

    From the MPAA's brief:

    Indeed, defendant Corley (and other defense witnesses) established that: (1) the Content Scramble System ("CSS") is a technological measure that effectively controls access to, and copying of, plaintiffs' copyrighted works...

    I would say "not so effectively controls..."

    Anyway, I don't have any one specific point, just some thoughts.

    My first impression is that the MPAA's looks like a professional legal brief, while the EFF's looks like a dull web-page.

    They cite that they have been damaged by DeCSS, because it takes from them: the assurance of protection that CSS gives to their valuable, copyrighted digital content released on DVDs.

    That's pretty weak. Much like demanding that your neighbors go around handcuffed. Sure, it restricts them from doing some things, (like watching DVDs on Linux) but it affords you the assurance of protection from being punched.

    They follow this by pointing out the threat, as they see it: That with increasing compression techniques (in particular DivX) and hard drive space, movies may find their way into rapid free circulation.

    They have a bit of a point there, in a few years, compressed mpeg video may be tossed around like mp3s are now. I don't think that mp3s have eliminated the CD market, nor do I expect DivX to eliminate the DVD market. At the least, there's a bunch of people out there with CD players and DVD Players who don't have bitchin' computers hooked up to the net via broadband and equipped with a terabyte of drive space. Unfortunately, this is a practical argument, not a legal one. As a geek, I keep looking at it from a technological standpoint. As soon as they show you the information, (movie or song) it's yours. You can screen capture video and record audio. It's really that simple. Sure, DeCSS is much more convenient, but it's not going to make a difference as far as copying goes.

  13. Sadly irrelevant by konstant · · Score: 4

    As I read the opening statements of these two briefs a feeling of sadness came over me. The MPAA brief argues rigidly from the form and intent of the DMCA, while the defendants resort to disputing the DMCA's power to render mechanisms of fair use illegal. It was interesting to note that the term "fair use" wasn't present even once in the DMCA's brief.

    But sadly, this is all largely irrelevant to our freedoms. It may be that the defendants will win this round, and the Court will permit them and others to engineer and distribute "devices" that subvert copyright protections. But nothing in this case will mitigate the central issue: if CSS hadn't been so weak, we would all still be constrained to the MPAA's anemic idea of consumer rights.

    In other words, what good will a victory here do us if IP owners like the MPAA simply protect their materials with strong encryption that isn't likely to be broken by sloppy redistributors? Remember that Jon Johansen only managed to crack CSS because a private key was accidentally left in the clear!

    This is an important case as it sets precedent and could determine the viewpoint of future courts, but if this issue never returns to the courtroom because the MPAA does it right in CSS2.0, then what will it have really bought us?

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    1. Re:Sadly irrelevant by beagle · · Score: 3
      In other words, what good will a victory here do us if IP owners like the MPAA simply protect their materials with strong encryption that isn't likely to be broken by sloppy redistributors? Remember that Jon Johansen only managed to crack CSS because a private key was accidentally left in the clear!

      A victory here will make it clear to copyright holders that the DMCA is not meant to tip the scales of Fair Use versus Copyright protection so unfairly in their favor. That is one of the biggest problems with the DMCA: by placing this lame CSS encryption on DVDs, the MPAA is now trying to claim "effective control" over the contents of the DVD. Sure, they might get it "right in CSS 2.0," but that's not the point. The point is, prior to the DMCA, they never even HAD this much control.

      And they shouldn't have it today. Or ever.

  14. DVD not covered by UCITA by troyboy · · Score: 3

    Section 103(d)(2)(B) of UCITA indicates that UCITA does not apply to agreements (licenses) to "create, perform or perform in, include information in, acquire, use, distribute, modify, reproduce, have access to, adapt, make available, transmit, license, or display: a motion picture, sound recording, musical work, or phonorecord" (emphasis mine). So, the Act explicitly keeps the DVD license issue out of its scope.

  15. The key word is "Authority" by Royster · · Score: 3
    A quote from the defendant's brief:
    The definition of circumvention reveals that to circumvent, one must be acting without the authority of the copyright holder. Any statement that a buyer does not have the authority to decrypt, because the DMCA prohibits decryption without authority, is a circular argument and thus invalid.


    The participants on the Openlaw discussion list have spect a lot of time examining the meaning of the word "authority" in the context of the DCMA. In summary, the MPAA's authority model (player must be licensed) is fundamentally defective for several reasons. It dosn't operate with the authority of the copyright holder. The right is not limited in time as is copyright itself.

    Authority to view the work *must* pass with first sale.
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  16. Interesting Quote from MPAA by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 3
    Plaintiffs overwhelmingly demonstrated the substantial threat to the value of their copyrighted material that can, likely has, and certainly will continue to, occur as a result of the circumvention of CSS. Plaintiffs have shown:
    • that DeCSS can be used with ease to make flawless, unencrypted copies of DVD movies;
    • that hard drive storage capacity on consumer PCs has been increasing at a rapid rate;
    • that compression utilities such as DivX can be used to reduce the size of decrypted movie files for transmission over the Internet or to make CD-ROM or VCD copies of the movies. Plaintiffs further established that, once a file is compressed by DivX, digital copies of that file can be transferred again and again to anyone connected to the Internet, without the need for the file to ever be compressed again;
    • that both the compression utility known as DivX and the instructions for utilizing DivX in connection with DeCSS to create transferable movie files are freely available over the Internet; and
    • the speed and ease of transfer of such files is increasing as high-speed Internet connections become available to rapidly increasing numbers of people.

    Uh-huh... So, this means that furnace heating oil should be made illegal... Who cares if it's primary purpose is to heat a house. You can:

    • combine it with fertilizer to make an explosive
    • Instructions for how to make the explosive are readily available
    • someone might use said explosive in an illegal way.

    You cannot take judicial remedies for crimes that have not yet been committed. Just as equipment with legal purposes cannot be outlawed because they can ALSO be used illegally... (Lockpicks, for example.)

    The MPAA doesn't have a leg to stand on. If by some miracle they win this round, this will most certainly be struck down by a court of appeals (or the supreme court, if it gets that far.)

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  17. When did copyright turn into playbackright? by Kris_J · · Score: 3
    How do copyright laws enable an entity to legally control how you experience a copyright work? Sure, copying someone's work without permission may be morally wrong, but how did we get from there to making playback of a legally purchased copy on a capable, but "unauthorised" device illegal? Will I have to register my eyes soon? Will it become illegal to wear red-blue 3D glasses in a movie theater? How was copyright law used to turn a simple purchase into a lease agreement?

    I think it's about time that copyright is thrown out on the basis that it's unworkable. China might even be able to get through history without ever having to implement copyright...