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Company Uses Grain Elevators for Internet Access

hohosforbreakfast writes "Here's a different take on wireless networking...a company in West Des Moines, Iowa says it will use grain elevators to provide Net access in rural areas of Illinois and Iowa. The story is here in the Des Moines Register." Ah, flat country.

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  1. New mode of internet failure. by jms · · Score: 5

    So this means that a grain elevator explosion has the potential of taking out parts of the internet.

    An entirely new mode of network failure has been invented!

  2. Whatever... by ActiveSex · · Score: 4

    I quote from the article:

    "Many Iowa residents have been left behind by high-speed Internet providers simply because of where they live," said Pederson. "Without high-speed Internet access, we can't expect many of those communities to survive."

    This is utter and total bullshit of the purest ray serene.

    How often does the Internet get touted as the latest and greatest something that nobody can live without? How much of that is true? So it is difficult for rural town businesses to have web sites. Big deal. Does the local corner store have a web site? Not nearly enough people buy things from the Internet to classify Internet commerce as a necessity, like regular off-line, physical shopping.

    Rural areas are, by definition, rural. Rural to implies being away from the general population, isolation, privacy. That's what you get, and you also get the downsides, like slow net access (if any). Live with it. Nobody's going to die because their Hotmail is too slow. For crying out loud.

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  3. New excuse for missing assignments... by DrEldarion · · Score: 4

    "Professor, I tried to e-mail you my paper, but it turns out someone fed it to the cows."

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  4. Yes, it's potenitally profitable. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5

    It says they spent $10 million AND a year.
    So... is this profitable?


    4,000 customers * $40/month * 12 months/year = $1,900,000/year. And that's just the start.
    $2,500 capital cost per customer is in the ballpark with the costs of rolling out DSL. Cost per customer will drop with time.

    Unlike DSL in a city they don't have to tear up streets and string more wire all over the place, or test and upgrade existing wire. And they don't have to install a DSLAM in every two-bit switching center and wire up separate pairs for each customer to it.

    Instead they have one, or a few, antenna sites, plus an antenna and a box at each customer's house, and only air in between. The customer covers the cost of their setup with an install fee. The base station and internet connection is already set up. (If they need several antenna sites they might radio-link them to each other, too, and only need a landline to one of 'em.)

    The small number of antenna drivers also limits the amount of routing boxes they need. (They can probably drop it all into a single Redback box.) Ditto with limiting the number of backbone connections (maybe two, running by divergent routes). Piece of cake.

    I won't predict whether THIS one will succeed. (Think how many cable companies went belly up in the early days.) But I can't see anything that would doom it.

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    1. Re:Yes, it's potenitally profitable. by sid+crimson · · Score: 5

      Okay...

      Let's assume several people/businesses get the more expensive packages and the server infrastructure are rolled into the $10 mil, AND they get all 4000 customers right away... shall we call it $2.5 million/year?

      That means if they accrue NO extra monthly costs (bandwidth, hardware failure, tornado, wages) they can earn what they've spent in 4 years.

      But, what do these guys want to make? $50K/year seems low for that kind of effort, but maybe not in Iowa.... but let's stick with that. That's probably $450K/year including taxes, SSI, insurance...etc etc.

      Bandwidth for 4000 people at 128K... assuming no-one is downloading pr0n movies or their favorite warez & ISOs they would need about 2 T1s? If they offer their own news servers then add another T1. So... $40K/year?

      Office space... $15K/year.

      Staying up all night recovering from their first crash? Priceless.

      So I've tallied about $500K each year. There's a lot I left out, too, still they could be completely in the black in 15 years. Will there be a need for them for 15 years?

      I dunno, but I guess I can see the possibility of success, especially if they're the only game in town.

      -sid

  5. Re:James T. Kirk now has internet access by The_Messenger · · Score: 5
    No, Captain Kirk names his own price for Internet access.

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  6. You have no idea... by debugdave · · Score: 4

    What a lot of people don't realize is how behind techonology wise a lot of rural communitys are. I used to live in Iowa, and there are parts where there is NO chance of Internet access. Even the bigger cities can't get anything abouve 56k. I think this is a wonderful step in the right direction, but I wonder how many other regions in the United States don't have access to a high-speed connection?

  7. Beautiful symmetry... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5

    I think this is a wonderful step in the right direction, but I wonder how many other regions in the United States don't have access to a high-speed connection?

    Lots.

    This isn't the first radio ISP for rural areas, by a number of years. (One rural southern valley got wired this way using spread-spectrum quite a few years back, starting from a link from the town, with its phone center, to a college tens of miles up the valley.)

    But it's nice to see it's catching on more generally.

    This idea has a beautiful symmetry with DSL.

    DSL is dandy for dense urban areas. It's distance limited and the costs rise with distance from the central sites, so you need a concentration of customers and infrastructure to be practical.

    Line-of-sight radio is similarly dandy for rural areas. It's limited by obstructions rather than distance, but in the absense of urban obstructions the costs are approximately constant out to the horizon. That's quite a distance if the central site is elevated - either by a tall structure on flat land, or a tall peak where things are bumpier. So you can collect enough customers in a sparsely-populated area to support a POP. If your area starts to populate, drop power and add more antennas, until things are thick enough to switch to providing DSL.

    (Now we just need solutions for people scattered in dense forest, deep mountaion valleys, spread WAY OUT on deserts, on small islands far from land, or moving about on the roads, skies, and high seas...)

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