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At the Library: a Briefly Vocal Minority

Our readers from a year ago may remember the series we did examining the attempt to force censorware into Holland's libraries. (Holland, Michigan is the home of the Slashdot Geek Compound, such as it is.) In February, voters rejected that attempt. But to quote Poltergeist II, "they're ba-ack." Thanks to a new Michigan law, all of our libraries have to address the question of minors and the internet -- and blocking software is, to many, the natural solution. I went to the Holland library's open board meeting on Tuesday night; here's what's up.

By the way, if you're wondering why you should care about Holland, Michigan: this is going to happen at your local library -- and other public institutions -- soon. It probably has already happened at your local schools. The Holland area is fairly conservative, so it's been at the forefront, but the issue will work its way around the country (and in fact the world) in due time.

Before I describe what happened at the board meeting Tuesday evening, I should put the meeting itself into context.

A small but vocal minority has been pushing for library filters since late last year. At that time, the effort was begun by the American Family Association, with the Family Research Council and a local group stepping in to do the heavy lifting.

The FRC is still playing the dominant role. In fact, Tuesday night, the AFA representative actively distanced the organization from the issue, probably because it has earned its reputation as an extremist group.

Since February, the push has been for communication with the library board: "community input" has been big. Since all board meetings legally must be open to the public anyway, it's never been entirely clear to me what the problem was. The board did form a committee, which met on several occasions with filtering supporters -- the few who showed up -- and educated themselves about their options.

But the pro-filter crowd and the media have been attacking the library for not doing more to engage the community in dialogue. In one recent headline, the city's Mayor, formerly anti-filter, was described as "ripping [the library board's lack of] public input." Ouch.

In fact, the FRC representative Tuesday night apologized at length for the pressure tactics -- even though, in most of the media reports I've seen, her comments were relatively mild.

Just a week ago, she was quoted as saying she:

"...doesn't think a Sept. 12 forum will be sufficient to solicit public input, with attendance limited to 200 people and less than two hours set aside for public comment.

"She said those restrictions will limit the amount of input the board can receive."

That's been the concern all these months; that's what's been keeping the library board awake worrying. Every board meeting has been completely open to the public, and the only issue was how many people the fire marshal would allow in, and how long the community would be allowed to outpour its concerns.

In fact, when the meeting started -- the one and only meeting that's been publicized as a forum for the airing of Holland's views -- fewer than 45 people showed.

Some more trickled in, some trickled back out later after less than two hours of public comment. A total of just over 60 people showed up, about half of whom spoke (excluding the boardmembers and the media, including the toddlers, not that the toddlers did much of the speaking).

The Family Research Council's representative saved her statements for late in the meeting, telling her group's supporters how important it was that they came out, and to hang in there because they were only at the halfway point. Her closing comments were encouragement to those supporters: "we're getting closer and closer, glory God, we will not quit until we get this thing right ... c'mon you people, there's two more hours, get up here and talk for yourselves."

As if that was the signal to wind things down, only a few more people stood to speak. There was a period of questions, which took a while because the lawyer fielded most of them, and then the meeting adjourned almost an hour ahead of schedule.

Three thousand people in the Holland area get the FRC's newsletters; roughly 1% bothered to come.

Why the lack of interest?

Part of the reason, to be sure, is that Holland is sick of the issue; they went through a long campaign early this year.

But another part is that blocking software is not nearly as popular as the vocal minority would have us believe. An AP article "Most parents shun net filters" suggests that just one parent in three uses censorware.

And even that seems large, to some. The latest issue of the American Family Association Journal has an article titled "Low percentage of Christians using Internet filtering shows ignorance of the dangers." They claim that "Seven out of 10 Christians have Internet access -- but only one out of 10 has filtered Internet access."

(Keep in mind, too, that when the AFA says "Christians," they mean conservative Christians, presumably more likely to use censorware.)

Parents simply have better choices when it comes to protecting their children. Education and communication are the most effective tools (the only effective ones, I would argue, in many cases). And they're cheaper too: at least, a library in Hudsonville, near Holland, recently spent $20,000 on card-based censorware (not including maintenance fees) for four computers. The city of Grand Rapids, Michigan, just voted to spend $85,000.

And it takes a sneaky kid about ten seconds to completely bypass the $20,000 system. I know; I did it myself, and spent a while browsing a completely unfiltered internet.

But it's political pressure that installs such systems, not necessarily actual demand. Holland's library has taken a great deal of heat for not holding meetings which only a tiny fraction of the community seems interested in. Of course it's easy to use hindsight, but it's my guess that holding the meetings earlier and more often would have taken the lid off the child-size pressure cooker; everyone would have felt better. That's something to consider for the next community faced with this issue.

And speaking of demand, only about 100 patrons at Hudsonville have signed up for the internet cards. The system was installed under pressure from local conservative organizations; others, like that in Grand Rapids, will be installed thanks to a new Michigan law.

That law, Public Act 212, takes effect in our fair state on October1 and in effect, according to the Holland library's lawyer, makes it illegal for minors to use the internet. It demands that terminals for those 17 and under be "restricted from receiving" material "harmful to minors" (that's the underage equivalent of illegal obscenity). No software can guarantee such a restriction, of course, unless it executes the shutdown command.

In fact, it was recommended that the adults' terminals be not only shielded for privacy, but placed so that no minor might walk by and catch a glimpse of something harmful.

So the line seems pretty clearly drawn. How it will play out in reality remains to be seen.

You've probably figured out by now that I'm opposed to blocking software. Before the end of the month, I'll look at what alternatives a library might adopt -- too late for Michigan libraries, but perhaps not too late for yours. There are many choices to be made between the simplistic extremes of "filters" and "nofilters," some of which protect our right to free expression more than others.

Unfortunately, you won't see such alternatives in the traditional media. When filter supporter Tish Fackler pulled out her air filters, she gave a little laugh and said "looks like I'm going to be on TV tonight." Then she held up her meaningless props and delivered the soundbite that was on TV that night. I'll try to keep it a little more real than that.

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  1. The Minnesota solution works better by bluGill · · Score: 4

    In Minnesota it is illegal to view in a public place anything of a prnographic nature.

    There, a simple law that covers not just the internet, but all possibal ways to kids to get corruption, and it forces the burdon of not looking at pron where it belongs: The insensitive jerks who view it in public. Want to view porn at home, fine, want to check out playboy from the library? Fine, but you have to keep it concealed until you are at home.

    Best of all, this law allows for telling the difference between breast cancer research and porn.

  2. Deep Thoughts by roystgnr · · Score: 4

    I think we should try to make the future a better place for our children, but not for our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex.

  3. "do it for the children" bullshit by jjoyce · · Score: 4
    It's obvious that no one actually gives two shits about children, as evidenced by the fact that politicians always use "our children" as the motivation behind their ideology battles. Oh, don't forget the highly tactical debate phrase, "...and our children's children." What about their children? And the children after that? How many generations do we keep track of?

    If you're on a debate team, just keep repeating the phrase, "...and our children's children." No one will know (or care) what the fuck you are talking about, but you will win!

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  4. Simple Solution by Dredd13 · · Score: 4
    Talk to your local library. Obviously, they're going to be in your court on it. They don't believe in censorship. It's like Library-Science-101 to them. "Don't do it, ever."

    It all centers around the LIBRARY offering the internet service. That's very key.

    Have the library specifically re-task their computers that are doing internet access to card-catalogs, office work, whatever. Then, YOU come in -- yes you, the concerned citizen -- YOU offer the computer, YOU offer the internet access, and just LOCATE it at the library. YOU are then offering the public service, not the library.

    I had already spoken with my old smalltown local library (when HR4577 was on the agenda to mandate censorware for any library whose computer was purchased with public funds) and they were more than amenable to the idea of circumventing silly censorship statutes in such a manner. (I had told them that I would buy the computer and arrange for free internet access for them, if they agreed to retask the publicly-funded computer elsewhere). Luckily 4577 hasn't seen the light of day yet, so I've yet to have to pony up, but if the time comes, yeah, I'll do it, and so should you.

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    1. Re:Simple Solution by Dredd13 · · Score: 4
      Not at all. (well, in my scenario I'm not, but in the scenario I'm suggesting HERE the person could be).

      In the scenario with MY local library, I'm simply donating the funds specifically to cover the services the library is providing. Their blanket insurance policies or whatever will cover them. HR4577 simply mandates "publicly funded", and I'm eliminating that public funding.

      Now in my solution to Michigan's problem, the answer is simply to require someone to sign some paperwork (usage agreement, etc., which limits/eliminates liability) before they use the system. If you're a minor, get a parent to sign for you.

      The Michigan solution isn't as "neat and tidy" as the HR4577 solution. The HR4577 solution provides a drop-in replacement for the existing computer with no changes necessary, whereas the MI solution will require minors to get approval from their parent first. Personally, I'm not that opposed to the minor having to check with their parents. That's what parents are FOR, right?

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  5. Let's keep this in perspective... by ronfar · · Score: 4
    And be thankful you don't live in Jacksonville, where Harry Potter is considered Witchcraft by similar groups. Library's 'witchcraft' certificate endorsed religion, group says

    Besides, Gore and Lieberman have been going on and on and on about how important it is to protect children from these things... but I haven't heard anything about that on this site. Oh, wait, didn't this site endorse Al Gore?

    Why is it not considered newsworthy when there is a bipartisan witch hunt accross American culture going on, calling for regulation or at least threatening it, but the library in Holland, Michigan gets mentioned? Is it just snobbery (censoring movies and video games is ok, but censoring the Internet in Libraries isn't) or is it something else?

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  6. Damn Straight! by Greyfox · · Score: 4
    Then we knew that X had to be interesting and could avoid the duller Y in our quest to learn all those things our parents didn't tell us.

    Of course, at the time you had to go to the Librarian for the really interesting materials like X, but the guy down at the 7/11 would happily sell it to you without question. God that guy was great. Got my first Journal of American Live Goat Porn from him...

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  7. If they passed it, how long would it be... by MattW · · Score: 4

    If they passed a resolution and bought and installed filters, how long would it be before someone (maybe Jamie?) was standing outside the library with a huge stack of leaflets: "How to bypass internet filtering at the library."

    I wonder if that would be cause for arrest -- contributing to the delinquincy of a minor? But then again, filters obviously block legitimate sites.

    And of course, that assumes that any of the kids would actually need a leaflet.

  8. This should be (and is) a local issue by Fas+Attarac · · Score: 4

    I am firmly against federal (and even state) requirements regarding filtering software. To date this has always been a local community decision, and that's where it should remain.

    We may all be geeks here, and we may share attitudes on "censorware" software in our libraries, but it is not our right to dictate whether or not libraries in another community should adopt these policies any more than it is the government's right to do so. By all means, pay attention to this and if you see some items you'd like to bring up with your local library system, PLEASE DO SO.

    I personally would prefer that my library go back to having 'adult' and 'child' library cards, with adult cards having access to more mature topics and perhaps an uncensored (but still quite visible to the librarian's desk) feed to the 'Net. If I wanted my child to have access to this stuff, I'd just have to give my consent to the library so that he would be issued an adult card. The only people with censored access are the kids whose parents don't want them to have access. But still, as logical as this sounds to me, I would never try to force this on other communities. It's up to the local community to decide how they want to run their public libraries, not me, not you, and certainly not Slashdot.

  9. Christianity and Filtering by Millard+Fillmore · · Score: 4

    The best filtering of publicly available material for a Christian is his or her own sense of accountability to what he or she believes. The members of the Christian right who have spoken out so loudly about filtering have done so because, on some level, they recognize that human beings are always going to be unable to resist looking at sex, violence, and sin wherever it pops up. This means that, on some level, they distrust their children, and even themselves, if left alone with a computer connected to the internet. They aren't wrong to mistrust: we all sin, as far as Christianity is concerned, and so people are going to look at these things. But they are wrong to put their faith in a piece of software rather than in God, and to trust a library custodian rather than the instruction they have lovingly provided to their children.

  10. *sigh* Parents these days... by goliard · · Score: 5

    When I was a child, there was this idea that if your parents didn't want you to read X, they told you "You're forbidden to read X", or "I don't want to catch you reading any of that skanky X, you hear me?", or "Our kind of people don't read X" or whatever.

    Now putting aside the issue of whether or not these things are effective, there was this idea that parents were responsible for their kids.

    Everyone keeps acting like this whole internet filtering thing is about protecting children from being inadvertantly exposed to, er, whatever it is that would be so dreadful for them to be exposed to. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's about keeping kids from seeing what their parents don't want them to see. It's about making libraries, schools, the government and general passers-by on the streets responsible for enforcing some parents' rules for their kids.

    Quite aside from the very legitimate and excellent first amendment concerns, I'm getting pretty cheesed off about me and my tax money being expected to contribute to raising some slacker's brat, just because the loser is such a tinhat dictator they've lost all respect of their spawn.

    Look, 'rents: it's not the public library's job to enforce your bloody rules. Instilling moral behavior in your kids is your job, and either you feel you've done a sufficiently good job that you can trust them to surf the net alone, or you don't. If you don't, then don't let them go to the library.
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  11. Re:Non-draconian filtering by goliard · · Score: 5

    Ah, the embarrassment argument. It hinges on the premise that kids wouldn't be embarrassed to ask some random authority-figure adult for permission to legitimate topics. However legitimate topic include information about birth control, abortion, or sexually transmitted disease.

    If you came up against a block, you could simply call up someone (or call a library aid in the room or something), and say you needed to look at the URL. Give your name and the reason.

    Oh, yeah, right. I can just see some 13yr-old junior high school student telling his librarian "I need to check out this site on gonorrhea, 'cause, um, I have this itch...."

    Or, for that matter, a 14yr-old telling a librarian's aid "I need to access this site about Ecstacy side effects, because I think I had this weird reaction."

    Or, for that matter, a 15yr-old telling a librarian "I want to access this site which is a support network for homosexuals because I think I might be gay."

    The problem is that the people who want to keep kids from certain information also want to keep certain information from kids. It's not just that they don't want kids to accidentally see naked ladies. It's that they don't want their kids to know about sex, drugs, and differing religions/moralities/etc.

    The moment you start allowing some filtering, those parents will demand that you start filtering to keep information from kids -- demand that you do their dirty work for them. The only way not to get stuck with that job is to refuse to do any filtering for them at all.
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  12. Re:Can't be helped... by Coward,+Anonymous · · Score: 5

    Without a good faith attempt at filtering, the library system could be open to lawsuits from irate parents.

    Libraries have had books and magazines with nudity in them and books and magazines with violent pictures in them, many parents have complained, a few have sued, I don't know of anybody who has won a lawsuit (the library is, afterall, not a babysitting service, though some parents treat it as such).

    The Library Bill of Rights, created by the American Library Association states in part:
    Libraries should challenge censorship in the fulfillment of their responsibility to provide information and enlightenment. Libraries should cooperate with all persons and groups concerned with resisting abridgment of free expression and free access to ideas. A person's right to use a library should not be denied or abridged because of origin, age, background, or views.

  13. Why bother with software? by mblase · · Score: 5
    There's a ridiculously easy way to keep kids from using library Internet terminals to browse pornography. In simple step-by-step format:
    1. Turn all computer monitors toward a librarian's desk.
    2. Keep the desk staffed.
    Problem solved, and nobody's spending any additional money at all for the effort.