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The Madison Project: Inconvenience Vs. MP3s

twistedemotions points to this article in Sound & Vision magazine. The article reveals that "[t]he Madison Project is the code name for IBM's Electronic Music Management System (EMMS), a stealth initiative to deliver piracy-proof CD-quality music to consumers via the Internet." From the sound of it, Madison is pretty far from prime time -- beta testers interviewed were able to easily convert the nusic to listenable, no-longer-read-protected MP3s, and the prices as formulated so far are nothing to write home about unless you think $20 for a CD is a fair deal.

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  1. [Slightly OT] When did consumers become the enemy? by hiryuu · · Score: 5

    Apologies in advance for the preponderance of overly-claused sentences in the following.

    When, exactly, did the content industry (by which I mean, of course, the typical entertainment media conglomerates, as well as other businesses/artists/providers who are happy to receive money for what may or may not be quality stuff) start treating their consumers as "the other side," waging a continuous and pointless war? When did every consumer become a potential lawbreaker - to the point where those who respect copyright laws and artists' rights (definitely not the same thing) are subject to restrictions, limitations, and other such rot as to keep them from becoming the "pirates" the industry is convinced they will be (or have the potential to be)?

    An equity feminist would already tell you just what kind of damage the more shrill and less-sensible element of said cause has done to gender relations when it was extolled that all men were rapists or potential rapists. The content industry doesn't seem to have learned by example what happens when you blanket all members of a group (in this case, movie-goers and music fans) with a negative label. The cynic in me can't decide why they'd miss this - is it ignorance, or dismissal? Do they just not realize, or do they think that people will just keep buying what they have and not say a word to the contrary? (Looking at the Top 40 charts makes me think the latter.)

    Making media harder to use and appreciate doesn't deter the small criminal element among consumers - hell, the article in question demonstrates that, as security goes, this ain't gonna do it, and common sense alone says that if you can burn it to an audio CD, you can rip it - and it just pisses off the mainstream listener/viewer. Make it harder to use, and those with a clue (however few that might be) will either make it easier to use, or find an alternative. The only thing the industry can hope to achieve is to kill promising technology and markets. (Consumer-use DAT, of course, being the perfect example.)

    Madison, SDMI, CSS, et al are just plain bad ideas - at best, they frustrate and add to the cost (and price) without adding value, and at worst they drive away consumers.

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  2. If i can play it, i can rip it by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 4

    It's been said over and over again, but if the music is able to get to the listener's ear, the user is able to copy it. I don't see how this could ever be gotten around.
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  3. Old News by davidu · · Score: 5


    Madison Project has been long over for some time. It ran in San Diego and some other areas. It wasn't a secret -- nor was it a success. It happened over a year ago.

    Wow this is old.

    I wanna know when we will see a madison project dedicated to DivX or some other MPEG-4 based codec.
    -Davidu

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  4. Bennihana? by StoryMan · · Score: 5

    Actually, this is a pretty funny article -- especially toward the end where the author describes the way to cobble together your CD: download the music, buy the glossy liner paper, print it out, then burn the CD.

    Yeah, a real riot. Let me at those albums. There's nothing I'd like better than to (a) spend more for an electronic download than the "physical" counterpart and (b) get to spend my time (which these days -- for most of all us, I'm sure -- is more valuable than these bozos at AlbumDirect realize) to put together the whole kit-and-kaboodle.

    Lessee. First, I gotta download the songs.

    I got a DSL modem -- 1.05/1.05M -- so, no, not too bad, but, ya know, 15 minutes is still 15 minutes.

    Then I gotta print the liners on special paper? (No, you can use normal paper -- but, yeah, you gotta print the liner notes.) And, um, I get to burn the CD myself? The whole CD? No kidding? Lessee, I got a burner about a year old. Still takes around 15 minutes to burn the CD. (And if I get a coaster? Well, hell, just burn it again! CDs are cheap. My time is not cheap -- but CDs -- yeah 79 cents each, no prob.)

    And then, when it's all done, I have, er, a custom CD that I burned and printed out the labels for and that, um, looks like I cobbled together myself. Yeah! That's sooooooo cool.

    But wait! It wasn't really cheap because it cost more than the "physical" CD!

    Oh yeah. Great idea.

    Come on you dumbass suit-wearing, cellphone talking, consult-the-business-model, Viper driving, 30-something, "Hey, Bob, look at us: we're executives!" weenies: no one is gonna buy your idea! No one is going to buy your idea!

    It's like going to a restaurant -- Benihana, whatever those places are called that force you to stand in line with a bunch of dirty-fingernailed, snivelling little shits who touch the glass and then cough all over the green peppers and water chestnuts -- and pay *them* for the privilage of making your own food. What a great idea! (Executive-speak: "Well, friend, you have to understand. We're not selling the product as much we're selling the experience. We feel that customers appreciate the fact that they're in charge of their own product, er, dinner and that they've been given the ability to tinker and tailor with the food to create a singularly satisfying, one of a kind dining experience. If you'd like, I can give you a prospectus describing Benihana's philosophy and perhaps you'll appreciate why we are able to set ourselves apart from the competition.)

  5. Re:[Slightly OT] When did consumers become the ene by Tackhead · · Score: 4
    > The content industry doesn't seem to have learned by example what happens when you blanket all members of a group

    I like ConceptJunkie's reponse: "Evil. Stupid".

    But in answer to your question about when they started seeing the consumer as the enemy - 'twas always thus. Taxes on the sale of blank "music" CD-R media extended to blank "data" CD-R media are nothing more than extensions of the taxes on blank cassette tapes. Ditto the hamstrings on DAT that prevented it from being a commercial medium.

    They've always regarded the customer as little more than a sheep to be sheared, a fool to be parted with our money. Ditto the bands who actually produce the content they resell.

    Make no mistake - the consumer has always been a dupe in their eyes. Only recently, now that we have the power to force a change their business model, have we gone from "harmless dupe" to "enemy".

    But they've never had anything more than contempt for us. The only thing that's changed recently is that the veil's been ripped away, and we can see them for what they really are.

  6. Ah.. Goodie! by PopeAlien · · Score: 5

    Hey now.. Lets give this thing a chance.. I mean really, who wouldn't pay even a little more per CD if it meant they were also having all their rights to fair use simply and painlessly removed? Come on guys.. the record industry is really suffering these days because of digital technology.. Its getting hard for a record company executive to put food on the table and a roof over their families heads..

  7. Re:Remember DIVX. by FreeUser · · Score: 4

    Music is watermarked for that user (s device?), who has filled out name and address details correctly for music company.

    If I had moderator access, I'd be torn whether to mark your comment as funny or insightful, since your sarcasm ("there's no way it can fail!") is both.


    Please provide the RIAA with your name, physical address and email address below:

    Mr. U. Suck
    1234 Fuck The Recording Industry Drive
    Suite B-1TE-ME
    Chicago, IL 60619
    email: throw-away-account@someip.com


    I'm sure you and others have thougth up equally, if not more, create responses to expeditions fishing for personal invitation, but if not, I cordially invite you to make use of the above on any RIAA/MPAA questionaire or registration form. I certainly plan to.

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  8. They're just being silly. by Fist+Prost · · Score: 5

    All these companies are only wasting time and money trying to prevent the inevitable. I'm not going to argue ethics here, because frankly it doesn't make a difference whether people think they're in the right or not, copying music. The fact is that the music only has to be converted once, and then copied as many times as neccesary to destroy any such "inconvenience" scheme the Corps come up with. Even if it involves a padded box containing a speaker and a microphone, once 1 decent copy is made, it's over.

    The only way they will win is by providing a superior product, that has value added for purchasing the physical medium. And as copying becomes easier and easier, their job of keeping us entertained and making money will neccesarily get more and more competitive. Either way, it's still the only win-win situation in the foreseable future.

    Fist Prost

    "We're talking about a planet of helpdesks."

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  9. Remember DIVX. by Tackhead · · Score: 4
    No, not the video compression scheme, the goofy pay-per-view DVD mode.

    We don't want your DRM-hobbled music in the presence of unprotected alternatives.

    We won't buy your DRM-hobbled crap in the presence of unprotected alternatives.

    OK, says RIAA, we'll take away all the unprotected alternatives, releasing music only in watermarked, protected formats, and we'll badger the hardware companies to self-destruct any device that doesn't comply. (What, you mean you didn't want to throw out your entire CD collection and buy it all over again?)

    Fuck 'em.

    When consumers are presented with the choice between SDMI and rolling around in a pool of freshly spat-up cat vomit, the choice is remarkably easy. Not only is the pool of half-digested Friskies and mouse-heads less offensive, it is also delightfully warm.

  10. Nothing is piracy proof! by AFCArchvile · · Score: 5
    I believe that there is one rule about multimedia files: If you can see/hear it, you can capture it in a format devoid of security measures, and save it for prosperity.

    This has been proven for WMA (unf*ck.exe) and ASF (ASFRecorder), and it is soon to be proven for SDMI. Remember that WMA was hacked only one day after it was announced. Its popularity fell off due to its lackluster spectrum response level. ASF wasn't bad (of course, that's because it was secured MPEG-4 and not one of Microsoft's own proprietary formats), but we have yet to see SDMI cracked for free.

    Hackers have proven that even "licensed hardware" is not free from their wrath (CueCat!). I think that these capitalist Orwellians have a serious case of HDFB (head detached from body).

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  11. But guys, at SOME point you have to pay... by ceswiedler · · Score: 5

    We justify piracy these days when it only hurts Sony Records or Warner Brothers, but what's going to happen when those companies disappear, and the artists deal directly with the public? Are we suddenly going to give up our WE DESERVE FREE INFORMATION and I'D RATHER GET IT FROM NAPSTER selfishness?

    Sure--today, record companies are the ones getting the profits, and I say, screw 'em. But imagine an ideal world, where an artist gets every penny of profit from their work. Why would they bother to record a song, if as soon as they release a single copy it's immediately pirated and distributed worldwide for free, in a form absolutely indistinguishable from the original? How is that artist going to be able to make any money? Rely on the charity of those who feel like donating a few cents because they liked their album?

    Sure, I don't like the current financial scheme of the record labels. But the technology we're talking about here prevents ANYONE from making money from art. Famous quote and hacker philosophy: INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE. Hey, folks, ART IS INFORMATION. And FREE ART is crappy art, because there's no profit motive in it, and the worthwhile would-be artists are off doing something which allows them to put food on the table.

    We'd better come up with SOME way of rewarding and reimbursing artists, or we're going to pirate art right out of our society.