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First Digital Computer Dates back To 1944

swcox writes "Security restricted information on the first digital (semi) programmable computer has been released. A brief story and links to blueprints can be found in an article by the UK's Daily Telegraph. And for more details: Colossal code of silence broken Dr Donald Michie, at Edinburgh University, said: "Some will be startled to know that by VE Day Britain had a machine room of some 10 high-speed electronic computers on three-shift operation round the clock.""

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  1. Atanasoff-Berry Computer was the first digital by Chagrin · · Score: 4
    The first digital computer was built by Vincent Atanasoff and Clifford Berry at Iowa State University. This would have been between 1937 and 1942 and has been awarded full rights as the first true digital computer.

    Read about it here. They've even completed a replica model of it (the original one was cannibalized because interest in computers at that time was so low :)

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  2. Re:For the purpose of knowledge... by NoWhere+Man · · Score: 2

    You're half right. The chip was in develop when the first PII's were brought out and AMD finally solved the floating point issue. Soon later they released the K6-2's that had this fix. At that time frame they were in dev for the K7. At which point they knew Intel was going to release a new chip, no one knew what it was called, or how it worked/what it could do. But AMD had to be prepared for it. Which is why thier were reports of the K8/9 when the K7 500 was first released.
    I don't believe they are / or the current models have ever been referred to as the K8/9; however.

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  3. Unfortunately, it's a little known fact... by Durinia · · Score: 4
    ...that ENIAC was NOT the first American Electronic Digital Computer. That title is held by the Atanasoff-Berry Computer, which was developed from 1937-1942 at Iowa State University. Its precedence was shown in court in 1973. In fact, it appeared that several of the ENIAC ideas were borrowed from the "ABC".

    It would be interesting to see how these machines all "fit-together" in history. I.E. which ones were the first to develop each feature. As Atanasoff himself once put it:

    "I have always taken the position that there is enough credit for everyone in the invention and development of the electronic computer"

  4. ABC was the FIRST (1937-42) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    "Atanasoff-Berry computer was the first digital computer. It was built by John Vincent Atanasoff and Clifford Berry at Iowa State University during 1937-42, and introduced the concepts of binary arithmetic, regenerative memory, and logic circuits."

    -- http://www.cs.iastate.edu/jva/jva-archive.shtml

  5. LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT !!! (The ABC) by neilmjoh · · Score: 4

    (from the Iowa State University Web Site):

    "The Atanasoff-Berry computer was the first digital computer. It was built by John Vincent Atanasoff and Clifford Berry at Iowa State University during 1937-42, and introduced the concepts of binary arithmetic, regenerative memory, and logic circuits.

    On October 19, 1973, US Federal Judge Earl R. Larson signed his decision following a lengthy court trial which declared the ENIAC patent of Mauchly and Eckert invalid and named Atanasoff the inventor of the electronic digital computer -- the Atanasoff-Berry Computer or the ABC.

    Clark Mollenhoff in his book, Atanasoff, Forgotten Father of the Computer, details the design and construction of the Atanasoff-Berry Computer with emphasis on the relationships of the individuals. Alice and Arthur Burks in their book, The First Electronic Computer: The Atanasoff Story, describe the design and construction of the ABC and provide a more technical perspective. Numerous articles provide additional information. In recognition of his achivement, Atanasoff was awarded the National Medal of Technology by President George Bush at the White house on November 13, 1990. "

    The story as I remember told in one of the books is that the creator of the ENIAC visited ISU during the development of the ABC and "borrowed" many of the concepts of the ABC for the ENIAC.

    Unfortunately, Iowa State never fully realized what Atanasoff and Berry had developed.

    As a Chemistry Professor at ISU told me "If they had, our toliet seats would be gold plated".

    Iowa State recently built a working model of the ABC to prove that it really did work.

    Check out thisWeb Site for more info.

    -Neil Johnson (Proud to be a Cyclone !)

  6. Re:Konrad Zuse was first by saintlupus · · Score: 2

    by the time he got to the z80, though, things were sure cooking.

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  7. Re:The Difference Engine (1822) by gwernol · · Score: 3

    The first computer was designed by Charles Babbage in 1882.

    Babbages analytical engine is not a true computer, in the modern sense. It isn't fully programmable because it it not Turing-compatible. There is a large set of programs that you can run on your Intel box that the analytical engine couldn't compute.

    Although he never built one, a unviersty did from his original 1822 designs in the early 90's and it DOES work.

    I believe you are thinking of the Science Museum in London, which built a replica of Babbage's difference engine. Thhe difference engine is a much simpler machine that is a sophisticated mechanical calculator. It is certainly not a computer. The Science Museum are considering building a replica of the analytical engine, but haven't started work onit yet.

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  8. Re:Michaelangelo? by gwernol · · Score: 2

    Didn't Michaelangelo have the idea if not the plans for a mechanical adding machine?

    Yes, but an adding machine is not necessarily a computer. There were many mechanical and electro-mechanical calculators available before the first electronic computers. IBM had a flourishing business making such beasts long before WWII.

    I know the idea isn't anywhere near new. What it really comes down to is how we classify the word "computer".

    There is a precise and definitive answer to this question. Alan Turing's famous paper "On Computable Numbers" proposes the logical foundation for all computing machines. Take a look at this page on Andrew Hodges' web site. If you want to dive in to it, buy Hodges' excellent biography of Turing. Another great source of information on the mathematical basis for all computation is Douglas Hofstader's tour de force book "Godel, Escher and Bach". If you really want to understand computers you have to understand Turing's work.

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  9. Digital, but not binary. by AFCArchvile · · Score: 4

    Remember, even ENIAC was digital, but it wasn't binary (it was base-10). I don't quite remember which one was the first binary computer (was it UNIVAC?), but this didn't come along until about the mid-50's (if I'm right.)

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    1. Re:Digital, but not binary. by altman · · Score: 3

      Actually, the first *stored program* computer was binary - the Manchester "Baby":

      http://www.computer50.org/

      This used CRT tubes to provide the RAM - refresh involved a photosensor on the surface of the CRT feeding back to the CRT itself. Very cute.

      Hugo

    2. Re:Digital, but not binary. by scottnews · · Score: 2

      Around 1940 Bell was designing a binary computer that used RAM, it used capacitors for RAM. They couldn't get the hardware to meet with the design, however.

  10. Insecurity by fm6 · · Score: 5
    The operator sent a 4,000-character message, after which the receiving station replied "didn't get that, please resend'. The operator obliged, but with the same start settings... these two streams of obscuring characters (or "key"), being exactly the same, cancelled each other out when the two intercepted transmissions were superimposed. But the operator had not fed the plain-text message into the enciphering machine at exactly the same point on the two occasions, displacing them by a 'stagger' of a couple of characters ... From this error, the code-breaker Brigadier John Tiltman was able to reconstruct the original message and deduce the key...

    This is similar to the Enigma story -- both codebreaking teams benefited from sloppy procedure by Axis radio operators. The German military suspected a leak, but took it on faith that their encryption was unbreakable. So instead of looking for flaws in their communication procedures, they went on a witch hunt for spies and traitors. There's a lesson in this -- I hope.

    By the way, I assume this is not the same Colossus that tried to subjugate humanity?

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    1. Re:Insecurity by mpe · · Score: 2

      This is the Enigma story - Colossus was used to break the Enigma code - unless you believe that U571 film :-)

      How many times does it need saying that Colossus was NOT used for cracking Enigma. Instead it was used for cracking a high level (used between Hitler and senior generals) teletype cypher, codenamed "fish" by the Station X people.
      The Enigma cypher was used throughout the German armed services and was sent as Morse.

  11. Re:Makes you wonder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    To find out how military and civillian computer stuff is related, use Google or Altavista to search for "COTS" sometime.

    If you're too lazy to do this yourself, COTS stands for Commercial Off The Shelf. Meaning you can usually get a COTS machine that's cheaper and more capeable than the "secret" alternatives.

    Also, for the record, the most of the New Big Machines at those "known government research facilities" consist of several thousand Intel processors all hooked together in cool ways. Use Google to search for "ASCI Red" if you want to know. Also, if you want to know how to program such a machine, use Google to search for "MPI".

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the government isn't competent enough to build or keep secret anything that's signifigantly ahead of what's possible in the private sector.

  12. first electronic computers by EricEldred · · Score: 5

    This new information indicates Colossus was the first electronic computer, and Colossus 2 the first programmable electronic computer, doesn't it?

    The Zuse machines and the ABC from Iowa were not really electronic, but electro-mechanical, like the Mark I at Harvard, using relays instead of vacuum tubes ("valves" in British parlance), according to the computer histories on the net I've seen. Even though many of these electro-mechanical devices used punched tape or card input, they were not necessarily programmable.

    According to these stories, Colossus had 1,500 vacuum tubes, while Colossus 2 had 2,500, and there were 10 of the latter by the end of the war (a year after Colossus 2's introduction)--an immense achievement.

    This also might confirm that Alan Turing really was the first computer programmer, as others have already indicated.

    And it reveals, interestingly, that cracking the Enigma code was not even the main purpose of all this effort, but the other supersecret German military code.

    Maybe the next historical revelations will be about the computing power behind the atomic bomb, the first ones and later ones. Were the British computer experts allowed to play a role in this? What were the early Russian computers like?

    1. Re:first electronic computers by Durinia · · Score: 2

      Actually, I've seen the ABC pictures and replica, and it DOES use tubes. See this site for some cool pictures of the replica they built, including actual vacuum tubes manufactured in the 40s!

    2. Re:first electronic computers by iphayd · · Score: 2

      Actually, the ABC did use vaccum tubes and was digital, binary, and electronic. There is an example tube in Durham Hall at Iowa State. Unfortunately it is not an original, the only remaining artifact of the original ABC was one of the two memory drums, which basically worked like DRAM.

      The origial ABC was dismantled by a grad student who needed the storage space. (I've heard that this grad student is the head of the physics dept. now.) They had no idea what it actually was until after WW2 was over (and ENIAC was known.) This is why the ABC does not get the credit it deserves.

      A quote from http://www.cs.iastate.edu/jva/jva-archive.shtml

      Atanasoff-Berry computer was the first digital computer. It was built by John Vincent Atanasoff and Clifford Berry at Iowa State University during 1937-42, and introduced the concepts of binary arithmetic, regenerative memory, and logic circuits.

      There are many interesting links about the ABC on that site as well.

    3. Re:first electronic computers by mpe · · Score: 2

      This new information indicates Colossus was the first electronic computer, and Colossus 2 the first programmable electronic computer, doesn't it?

      Except that it isn't exactly new information, this was part of a British TV documentry first broadcast 2 years ago. Quite a bit of information on Station X has been known since the 1970's and finally some people have known exactly what went on for nearly 60 years.

      This also might confirm that Alan Turing really was the first computer programmer, as others have already indicated.

      More likely Tommy Flowers, what engineer would build such a device without testing it?

      And it reveals, interestingly, that cracking the Enigma code was not even the main purpose of all this effort, but the other supersecret German military code.


      They could already crack the variations of Enigma in use, however they couldn't crack "fish".

  13. And even earlier--the ABC by hawk · · Score: 4

    And even before that, in the '30's, Dr. Atanasoff and his graduate student Berry gave their initials to the ABC at Iowa State, which was electronic and digital. Programability left a lot to be desired, though :) [It solved sets of 17 equations in 17 unknowns].

    This was the computer that led to the invalidation of the ENIAC patents--many were for things already done on the ABC, which the ENIAC designers had axctually examined.

    Two replicas of the ABC were built, one to tour, and one to live in the Smithsonian. One was fired up to solve a problem.

    hawk

    p.s. scrounge around http://www.iastate.edu to find lots of articles and pages onit.

  14. I don't think it was for the space by hawk · · Score: 2

    but for the parts, which were turned into a bit of this, and a bit of that, iirc.

    ONce the ABC solved the set of equations it was built to solve, everyone pretty much lost interest . . .

    hawk, harumphing at the idea that it was electromechanical--though memory was on rotating drums of capacitors, a breakthrough in and of itself . . .]

  15. Re:Atanasoff, ah-HA! by hawk · · Score: 2

    Not magnetic-core, no. However, the drums of capacitors were the first regenerative memory.

  16. For the purpose of knowledge... by NoWhere+Man · · Score: 2

    I think the history of computers is just as important as the current information and technology. Its was only 10 years ago that people were still using separate controller cards for Hard drives and Floppy drives, bus mice and other such devices.
    How many people in the computer field really know about the history of computers? It may not be a requirement to use one, but I think in order to be considered an expert (A+, MCSE, etc), maybe they should include a little history aswell.

    Maybe thier should be a hardware database, with pictures and specs on the internet. Or maybe even a separate database from the Internet, create another ARPNET (consult history books for that one too).

    [Side note: A+ does include history to a certain extent, but there were computers before Intel; and contrary to what my current A+ manual states, NEXT GEN did not develop the K7 to compete with the Pentium II, AMD developed it and it was to compete with the Pentium III]

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  17. Historical events and significance by Jonathan · · Score: 2

    What people have to realize about historical events is that they are only meaningful if they influence later events. While Canadians and Americans of Scandinavian descent like to bring up Leif Erikson as the first European to discover the New World, the simple fact is that his discovery (if indeed it occured) was meaningless because it did not lead to anything. Columbus' discovery lead of course to European colonization and therefore it was significant.

    Similarly, Colossus did not lead to the evolution of today's computers, as it was classified in the early days of computing Even the ABC is only significant because it may have influenced the design of the ENIAC, which was the ancestor of every computer now in use.

  18. Re:Whaddya know! by istartedi · · Score: 2

    Imagine a beowolf cluster of them

    I just closed my eyes, and saw a nuclear power plant, with cooling towers and everything.

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  19. Reality Cryptowise by fm6 · · Score: 2
    Cryptinomicon is fiction, but with a lot of real people and events in it. Of course, the "historical" parts should be taken with a grain. I don't think Turing was quite as swish as Stephenson portrays him...

    There's a lon g excerpt online.

    I have to throw in my favorite Alan Turing story. During the war, he was sent on a secret mission to the US. Since his work was very sensitive, he was ordered to take no documents on the trip. Turing being Turing, he interpreted this order quite literally -- he left behind his passport and identity papers. Imagine the reaction of an Immigration officer approached by a Brit just off the boat, with no proof of identity, claiming to be on a secret mission....

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  20. Von Neumann & the Manhattan Project by ccg · · Score: 2

    I wrote my history thesis on an aspect of the Manhattan Project, and I remember looking through John von Neumann's papers at the Library of Congress. It looked like he was working on some interesting computer ideas while he was at Los Alamos. That wasn't the topic of my thesis, so I didn't really pay attention, except noting to myself that someday I want to look into it further.

    Anyone know more about what von Neumann was working on? That also would have been the early-to-mid 1940's.

    A quick glance at _The Making of the Atomic Bomb_ by Richard Rhodes reveals this:

    "Such work could not be done reliably by hand with desktop calculation machines. Fortunately the laboratory had already ordered IBM punchcard sorters to facilitate calculating the critical mass of odd-shaped bomb cores. The IBM equipment arrived early in April 1944 and the Theoretical Division immediately put it to good use running brute-force implosion numbers. Hydrodynamic problems, detailed and repetitious, were particularly adaptable to machine computation; the challenge apparently set von Neumann thinking about how such machines might be improved." (page 544)

    Thanks,
    ccg at aya dot yale dot edu

  21. Re:Earlier Digital Computer - Konrad Zuse by sconeu · · Score: 2

    Here is a Java bytecode implementation of the Z3. Dr. Dobbs Journal had an article on it in their Sept. 2000 issue.

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  22. Re:The Difference Engine (1822) by Erataikasu · · Score: 2

    I think the moral of this, and other posts on this article is pretty clear - there was no revolution where some guy 'invented' the computer, it was all a series of evolutions.

    Determining who created the first computer is like determining who was the first human. It simply depends on how widely you cast your net.

    Those giants you're standing on the shoulders of are awfully tall. Which is not to diminish the achievements of the people involved.

  23. Re:Atanasoff, ah-HA! by AFCArchvile · · Score: 2

    Now I remember. They were also the first to use magnetic-core memory, weren't they?

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  24. My old professor.. by joss · · Score: 2

    I did AI at Edinburgh, and had Mitchie as a lecturer as few times. I would have actually turned up and listened more frequently if I had known his past - as it is I spent 2 years down the pub, followed by 2 years programming in the bowels of the machine rooms - they actually gave undergraduates keys to the machine rooms full of sun workstations so you could work all night if you preferred (which all the serious guys did - you get more resources at 3.00am).

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  25. Zuse by pgoodie · · Score: 2
    Zuse was the first. However, his circuits were built using electro-mechanical devices. Why was he first?

    (1) his machines were BINARY. ENIAC was stupid enough to be decimal--this is *extremely* inefficient and accounts for why eniac was so damned large.

    (2) he has floating point (oh my god, we americans didn't think of that for years).

    (3) his machine wasn't ELECTRONIC. but, it was digital if i know what digital is.... others are confused, since his machine wasn't ELECTRONIC, they assume that his machine was not the first computer. This is wrong, of course. His machines were digital as digital can be, but his switches were electromechanical and not purely electronic. Thought i'm not german (and very american--have no german ancestry, in fact), i want to respect this german genius. He was freaking amazing, and i don't want people to steal his accomplishments. -patrick.

    1. Re:Zuse by Detritus · · Score: 2
      (1) his machines were BINARY. ENIAC was stupid enough to be decimal--this is *extremely* inefficient and accounts for why eniac was so damned large.

      Decimal is not "stupid". It used to be standard for business computers to use decimal arithmetic and scientific computers to use binary arithmetic. Later computers, notably the IBM 360 series, unified the two, supporting decimal and binary arithmetic on a single system.

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    2. Re:Zuse by Potatoswatter · · Score: 2
      Then what do you consider binary-coded-decimal, or BCD?

      Base conversions are very complicated, and if it was easier to build a computer that was decimal all the way through than to divide and multiply by 10 (which is very computationally intensive) and subtract to get modulos... the instructions for this process can take a significant amount of punch-cards! Even the Motorola 680xx series (the not-too-distant anscestor of today's Palm s and many embedded DSPs) included add, subract, and conversions to and from BCD to aid driving numeric displays.

      Actually, one of the main reasons for it being binary is probably the fact that floating-point arithmetic can hardly be done at all in any other base than 2. And binary isn't the same as digital: base-10 is still digital. The difference is that in digital computers all arithmetic results are infinitely precise and reproducible, as opposed to analog computers which add and subtract voltages, which are inherently irrational numbers and therefore cannot be represented as digits (i.e., not digital).

      I'm sorry, it's late at night. I don't mean to be overly critical - this guy invented the first FPU, way ahead of his time - but if it didn't have conditional branching etc. you have to question if it really ran a program, per se. I just read this, a link I found elsewhere in this discussion. It goes into some detail about Zuse, you might like it.

      Fsck this hard drive! Although it probably won't work...
      foo = bar/*myPtr;

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  26. I've stood inside a running Colossus by Mr.+Protocol · · Score: 5

    Tony Sale, at the Museum of Cryptography at Bletchley Park, has reconstructed a running Colossus. At the time I visited, he had two out of its five parallel channels up and working (I believe all five are now complete). I asked him a couple of semi-intelligent questions, and he promptly grabbed me by the elbow and dragged me into the Colossus machine room. He stood me in the middle of the frame and pointed out the machine's various sections, then ran over to the side and turned it on around me.

    This was exciting on several levels, because it is very much a tube machine - lots and lots of tubes - and they all run at +400 volts plate voltage. I didn't make a whole lot of extraneous movements.

    Perhaps the most impressive thing about it, visually (besides all the glowing tubes) is the high-speed paper tape reader that runs a 5-level Baudot tape over and over again in a loop as the machine searches for correlations. The reader's made of machined aluminum (or aluminium, over there), and stands about six feet high. It reads 5,000 characters per second, and the impulses from the smaller feeder holes form the machine clock.

    This is an absolute don't-miss if you get to London. Bletchley Park is a fine day trip by train.

    1. Re:I've stood inside a running Colossus by shockwaverider · · Score: 3

      I utterly agree. Bletchley park is a remarkable place and well worth a visit. If you manage to get Tony Sale to give you a tour then so much the better as the man really knows his stuff.

      Bletchley Park is the location where computers were conceived, designed and first built. It is the place where Alan Turing started laying the foundations of the industry you now work in [OK,assumption], and until recently its cryptanalysis role was still a secret. That's remarkable considering the amount of people that worked there in that capacity during the war.

      You really owe it to yourself to have a look. Apart from anything else it's tremendous fun!

      Example: the Computer Conservation Society's display. A room filled with old computers. Some powered on, some not. From the earliest VAX through to the latest "built-to-the-hilt" PC. All of them "hands-on" and running funstuff.

      Example of "first soundcard". A radio tuned to RF frequency of interference generated by PDP mainframe. Program running on mainframe designed to cause the processor to generate RF interference, by the use of tight loops etc.

      Look. the place doesn't cost much to visit. It's fairly central within the UK, Just go OK?

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    2. Re:I've stood inside a running Colossus by Mr.+Protocol · · Score: 2

      Actually, it's probable that Tony Sale's work on the Colossus reconstruction is one of the main reasons why this work was declassified at all. They could hardly hold onto it now that a working reconstruction is publicly available.

      The Americans have wired a declassification schedule into the classification machinery; positive action has to be taken to keep things classified beyond their natural expiration date. I don't think the British have any such law, so they just tend to hang onto things long past any reasonable deadline.

      Tony ran into this time and again, skirting the edges of the Official Secrets act in the course of rebuilding Colossus. The only reason he was able to complete it at all was because the folks who'd worked on this stuff in WW II were reaching the ends of their lives, and many of them decided to write their memoires and the Official Secrets Act be damned. Rather than lock up a bunch of antique war heroes turned popular authors, the British government finally started to let this stuff go. Tony's work blew the lid off thereafter.

    3. Re:I've stood inside a running Colossus by AndrewD · · Score: 2

      The reason for the secrecy around Colossus is actually a lot more insidious than you'd think. After the war, the Allied powers provided enigma machines to their various colonies and satellite states, telling them that this encryption had proven uncrackable. Concealing the colossus, which made the enigma fairly easy to crack, was part of this.

      Probably the first ever "back door" installed ever, no?

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  27. Re:The Role Of the Collosus at Bletchley by tagish · · Score: 2
    Interestingly they couldn't then go on to use as much of the information as they might have wished because if they had the Germans would have know that their messages were being intercepted.

    It is believed, for example, that considerable advance warning was available about the invasion of Crete, but the Allied command were prevented from acting on it because that would have revealed that the German encryption had been cracked.

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  28. Re:What happened to 50 years? by mpe · · Score: 2

    What's more worrysome for me though is what they have classified that we don't know about. What sort of AI or Quantum Prime Factoring Machine do they have classified now that we'll be hearing about in 2055?

    Except if they do a good enough job of classifying something in the first place then it may stay hidden for a very long time.

  29. Imagine by moogla · · Score: 2

    A beowulf cluster of these. Really, really, hot, noisy, and big.

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  30. Earlier Digital Computer - Konrad Zuse by Ellen+Spertus · · Score: 5

    Konrad Zuse built a programmable binary computer in 1941. It even had floating-point support! You can read about it in English or German.

  31. nothing new... by peterjm · · Score: 2

    ...any one who read cryptonomicon knows that a waterhouse invented it during wwII.

    wait, no! that was a joke!

    -Peter

    1. Re:nothing new... by Perdo · · Score: 2

      No, Waterhouse invented memory using standing waves in mercury... shortly after RAMBUS patented it.

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  32. A Question by Lyrrad · · Score: 2
    Why was this project classified for 55 years?

    Did they think back then that computer technology wouldn't advance that much in that time so it might still be a security risk today?
    Is there a standard period for classification?

    1. Re:A Question by Detritus · · Score: 2

      The UK government seems to be even slower than the US government at declassifying documents. There are laws in the US that specify declassification schedules, but there are plenty of exemptions for things like cryptographic related information. There is still stuff from World War II that hasn't been declassified.

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    2. Re:A Question by Falsch+Freiheit · · Score: 2

      I'm sure part of it was simply momentum. That is, it was in the classified archives, why dig through them looking for stuff to declassify?

      Another part, though, is that after WWII, some British allies were given Enigma machines and some of those were in use until some time in the 70s. (of course, that doesn't explain the other 20+ years, but it gets you more than half way)

      And I'm sure when it first got classified, they had absolutely no idea how far computer technology would advance, or probably even if it would ever make it outside of secret government installations.

    3. Re:A Question by stevelinton · · Score: 2

      A few years ago there was a landmark action. The first files relating to UK covert foreign intelligence work (spying) EVER were declassified. They turned out to relate almost exclusively to the Napoleonic wars. I believe they are considering declassifying some Crimean and Boer war material sometime this century.

    4. Re:A Question by stevelinton · · Score: 2

      I imagine a big part of it was not the computer technology, which is indeed, not really cutting edge any more, but the cryptanalytic methodology, which is much slower to change. Computers now can search 10^9 cases per second (say) now insteaqd of 10^3 then, but the analysis of operation procedure, message formats, procedural errors, etc. that gets you down to this many cases probably dates much less quickly.

  33. Wow, that's quite an honor by glowingspleen · · Score: 2

    I bet it must have been cool to get the first copy of AOL Beta Platinum 0.4 on punch-card tape in the mail.

    But it got old quick when they started getting them three times a week. Laster the scientists decided to paper the wall with them.

    "If only they were shint and round," they imagined..."



  34. Not digital by Signal+11 · · Score: 2
    First, it isn't digital, second this isn't new information, modulo the actual plans for the computers. Third, didja know the NSA has its own fabrication plant? :) Makes you wonder...

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    1. Re:Not digital by Perdo · · Score: 2

      didja know the NSA's buget (from what can be guessed by looking at "black money") is TWICE as large as Nasa's? No wonder they have a fab. It is a wonder that they don't have moonraker too :)

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  35. Re:This sounds vaguely like cryptinomicon by blameless · · Score: 2

    Cryptinomicon, while an entertaining book, is fiction

    In a Forest Gump kind of way.

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  36. Old information? by Global-Lightning · · Score: 2
    Much of this story can be found in The Code Book by Simon Singh, published last year.

  37. No it bloody well wasn't! by DrWiggy · · Score: 3

    OK, firstly we need to make clear that the project occured between 1937 and 1942. The machine was not built in 1937 - it wasn't completed until 1942. Seeing as the official figures on the kit down at Bletchley Park in the UK appear to put them bringing the first machine up in 1941-ish, the ABC was not the first computer. It was the first computer that could be talked about.

    Secondly, let's just clear up this nonsense about court cases proving it was the first computer. The argument was between the builders of ENIAC and the ABC. How likely do you think it is that the UK Government were going to walk into a court room and argue their part on this, espeically as the project was still classified in the 1970's?

    You would be amazed at how much stuff is sitting around out there that is only now starting to get de-classified. For example, did you know that public key cryptography is now publically acknowleged as actually having been "discovered" at GCHQ in the UK some significant time before RSA made it out into the big wide world. Just because two commercial entities "prove" in a court which one invented something first, doesn't mean to say that there isn't a western government that actually invented it first, but are keeping it under wraps.

  38. Makes you wonder. by GigsVT · · Score: 2

    Kind of makes you wonder just how far ahead of the commercial market the military is regarding computer technology today.

    Would be interesting if all our innovations from Intel and clan were really all developed by the government and leaked out. :)

    Seriously though, they may have computers more massively parallel than any known acedemic (or known government) research facility. It isn't too likely they are very far ahead in the speed of a single processor, if they even work on such a thing.
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