Re:So what's this I hear about AbiWord?
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Romen
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Well, as an AbiWord developer, I feel it neccessary to clear up some misconceptions here.
(1) The GNOME Foundation is evil.
This is simple untrue. The GNOME Foundation is a good idea, will be democratically run, and is led by some great people.
(2) GNOME has made official decisons
According to Havoc Pennington and others, no specific decisions have been made by GNOME people. I believe them on this.
(3) Sun actually understands this other than as a way to make money.
Anyone who thinks that Sun is after anything but money is deluding themselves. Sadly, it also appears they still haven't got the open standards idea.
For LOTS more on this, see my posting to abiword-dev, among others, her e. Sam TH
Re:Just because she's a woman?
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Tarnar
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Since when were elections ever based on qualification? People vote for who they relate to, who they feel will represent them. I may feel that one of the candidates is superbly suited for the job, but if he feels differently on some issues then I do, I probably wouldn't vote for him.
If I showed my support for diversity in the Gnome foundation I would vote for Leslie, not because she is a woman, but because she works for Ogilvy and thus must be one of the tops in her field AND * her expertise is unique among the candidates.*
Equality grants equal * access. *
Everything else should depend not on being equal, but on demonstrated * superiority * for the position, whether the superior person be a man, woman or undecided.
As a geek I love Gnome because. . .
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kfg
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It is still raw, rough around the edges, great fun to dick with and, well. . . just plain looks great, and that DOES matter dammit.
Still, I recommend KDE to my friends because they just want to get their work done. It is solid, usable and just generally 'there' already.
I'm afraid this is WHY the corporate players are backing Gnome through the Gnome foundation. They can still get their fingers in the pie there, they can't in KDE.
Frankly, as a lover of the Gnome I'm afeared for its life now, not reassured by the insurgence of interest and the backing of big boys.
I don't WANT Gnome to become a Linux 'standard.' I want it to be good, I want it to evolve on its own path, I want it to be interesting, I want it to be fun, I want it to be rightous software and yes, I want it to get prettier.
I want all those things for KDE too. I want them for Mac OSX. I want to see NEW ideas for interfaces we havn't even thought yet to come forward and compete for my attention.
I want tons of toys to CHOOSE from and to be free to chooose them all! That's why I use Linux in the first place.
Re:So what's this I hear about AbiWord?
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havardw
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Gnome or the Gnome Foundation has not made up their minds, Sun has.
Sun can say whatever they want, as they will not be a part of the board.
Don't forget other minorities.
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BlowCat
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Also please vote for all gays and lesbians on the list.
It's extremely importand to have them on the GNOME
Foundation Board of Directors.
Don't forget native americans, mormons and amishes.
Re:So what's this I hear about AbiWord?
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update()
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So, in a nutshell:
Sun thinks: As part of its formation, the GNOME Foundation has announced that it is adopting OpenOffice.org -- the StarOffice productivity suite that Sun is making available to the open source community -- as the core of the office productivity software for GNOME Office.
Dom Lachowicz thinks:
Michael Meeks clarified to me that the big coroporations were paying large
sums of $$ to get figurehead positions and that we could get the same result
by joining the gnome-foundation mailing list and voting/running for office,
which at least I have done.
Re:So what's this I hear about AbiWord?
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Romen
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Miguel,
Evan's article was flamebait, and didn't include all the facts available at the time. However, you really aren't the best person to speak about GNOME's relationship to AbiWord, given your statements about Abi in this LinuxPlanet article:
http://www.linuxplanet.c om/ linuxplanet/opinions/2310/1/ where you say
<quote>AbiWord, yeah. It's fairly larval.</quote>
Needless to say, this sort of thing, combined with the statements coming out of Sun at the time, didn't inspire confidence in us AbiWord developers that we were even on your radar screen (despite being on your web page). Sam TH
for a gnome? I mean... nader ain't that bad, bush will probably get it, and it doesn't really matter in the long run... BUT A GNOME?!?! Who would vote for one? They're just building decorations for pete's sake!!! er... well... I guess you have point there in comparison to the candidates... oh wait... we're talking about software aren't we?
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So what's this I hear about AbiWord?
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bmetz
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(I apologize if this looks like a troll article; I'm genuinely interested to hear what people have to say about this, since it did bother me)
LWN highlighted an article that I'm surprised didn't get posted to slashdot:
What's the story on that? From the sound of it, the "GNOME Good 'ol Boys" have already made up their mind about some key GNOME decisions, so why are we even bothering pretending this is gonna be a democratic process? I'm confused about how the role of the GNOME Foundation mixes with the private core developer mailing list mentioned in this article.
-- What did you eat today? http://www.atetoday.com/
Re:So what's this I hear about AbiWord?
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miguel
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The reporter you quote there chose to "selectively" quote Dom, and "selectively" quote Havoc.
Although both wanted to convey a different story, the reporter chose to push forward his own agenda. You can mail Dom and ask him, and you can mail Havoc and ask him.
You can read the archives of the gnome-office-list where the discussion and a complete explanation can be found:
What an amazingly biased and sexist statement! Let me get this straight - you're recommending we vote for a candidate purely on the basis of their gender? That is absolutely the worst way of deciding who to appoint. You didn't mention what qualifications this woman has, or why she would be a better choice than any of the other candidates. Have the last hunderd years of the Women's Rights movement not taught you that it should be ability that matters, not gender? How very disappointing.
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Well, as an AbiWord developer, I feel it neccessary to clear up some misconceptions here.
(1) The GNOME Foundation is evil.
This is simple untrue. The GNOME Foundation is a good idea, will be democratically run, and is led by some great people.
(2) GNOME has made official decisons
According to Havoc Pennington and others, no specific decisions have been made by GNOME people. I believe them on this.
(3) Sun actually understands this other than as a way to make money.
Anyone who thinks that Sun is after anything but money is deluding themselves. Sadly, it also appears they still haven't got the open standards idea.
For LOTS more on this, see my posting to abiword-dev, among others, her e.
Sam TH
Sam TH
AbiWord Developer
Since when were elections ever based on qualification? People vote for who they relate to, who they feel will represent them. I may feel that one of the candidates is superbly suited for the job, but if he feels differently on some issues then I do, I probably wouldn't vote for him.
So tell us why you haven't done anything about Sun's alleged lies about OpenOffice being declared the GNOME Office suite?
(Please browse at -1 to read this comment.)
If I showed my support for diversity in the Gnome foundation I would vote for Leslie, not because she is a woman, but because she works for Ogilvy and thus must be one of the tops in her field AND * her expertise is unique among the candidates.*
Equality grants equal * access. *
Everything else should depend not on being equal, but on demonstrated * superiority * for the position, whether the superior person be a man, woman or undecided.
It is still raw, rough around the edges, great fun to dick with and, well. . . just plain looks great, and that DOES matter dammit.
Still, I recommend KDE to my friends because they just want to get their work done. It is solid, usable and just generally 'there' already.
I'm afraid this is WHY the corporate players are backing Gnome through the Gnome foundation. They can still get their fingers in the pie there, they can't in KDE.
Frankly, as a lover of the Gnome I'm afeared for its life now, not reassured by the insurgence of interest and the backing of big boys.
I don't WANT Gnome to become a Linux 'standard.' I want it to be good, I want it to evolve on its own path, I want it to be interesting, I want it to be fun, I want it to be rightous software and yes, I want it to get prettier.
I want all those things for KDE too. I want them for Mac OSX. I want to see NEW ideas for interfaces we havn't even thought yet to come forward and compete for my attention.
I want tons of toys to CHOOSE from and to be free to chooose them all! That's why I use Linux in the first place.
Gnome or the Gnome Foundation has not made up their minds, Sun has.
Sun can say whatever they want, as they will not be a part of the board.
Don't forget native americans, mormons and amishes.
Sun thinks: As part of its formation, the GNOME Foundation has announced that it is adopting OpenOffice.org -- the StarOffice productivity suite that Sun is making available to the open source community -- as the core of the office productivity software for GNOME Office.
Dom Lachowicz thinks: Michael Meeks clarified to me that the big coroporations were paying large sums of $$ to get figurehead positions and that we could get the same result by joining the gnome-foundation mailing list and voting/running for office, which at least I have done.
Miguel,
Evan's article was flamebait, and didn't include all the facts available at the time. However, you really aren't the best person to speak about GNOME's relationship to AbiWord, given your statements about Abi in this LinuxPlanet article:
http://www.linuxplanet.c om/ linuxplanet/opinions/2310/1/
where you say
<quote>AbiWord, yeah. It's fairly larval.</quote>
Needless to say, this sort of thing, combined with the statements coming out of Sun at the time, didn't inspire confidence in us AbiWord developers that we were even on your radar screen (despite being on your web page).
Sam TH
Sam TH
AbiWord Developer
Are they sure they got the list right?
These people are all a little too tall to be Gnomes.
The above post is an editorial, the poster cannot and will not be held responsible for all or in part for it's contents
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LWN highlighted an article that I'm surprised didn't get posted to slashdot:
http://www. zdn et.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2644950,00. html
What's the story on that? From the sound of it, the "GNOME Good 'ol Boys" have already made up their mind about some key GNOME decisions, so why are we even bothering pretending this is gonna be a democratic process? I'm confused about how the role of the GNOME Foundation mixes with the private core developer mailing list mentioned in this article.
What did you eat today? http://www.atetoday.com/
What an amazingly biased and sexist statement! Let me get this straight - you're recommending we vote for a candidate purely on the basis of their gender? That is absolutely the worst way of deciding who to appoint. You didn't mention what qualifications this woman has, or why she would be a better choice than any of the other candidates. Have the last hunderd years of the Women's Rights movement not taught you that it should be ability that matters, not gender? How very disappointing.