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Gartner Group Squints At Future OS Growth

Icebox writes: "Cnet is offering up this bit from GartnerGroup that includes their predictions for the next few years in the OS market. Their predictions are aimed stricly at the business side of this but it is interesting to see how their ideas stack up against what Slashdot's readership expects. Pay particular attention to Factor #9."

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  1. Several good points by 11thangel · · Score: 3

    While many users may consider linux more powerful, etc, they often forget to consider the learning curve. Unix systems are harder to use, lets face it. Linux, BSD, etc, will continue to be powerful, and crash less often, but windows being more "assume the user is an idiot when programming" oriented, it will continue to have a good part of the market. IMHO, unix should be used for servers and for the workstations of advanced users, at least until the interface can become more standardized and easy to use.

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    1. Re:Several good points by Keck · · Score: 3
      While many users may consider linux more powerful, etc, they often forget to consider the learning curve. Unix systems are harder to use, lets face it.
      Yeah, but I'm reminded of various fortunes/quotes:
      • "Unix is user-friendly -- nobody said it was learning friendly..."
      • "Unix is user-friendly -- it's just selective about it's friends..."
      • "The learning curve for *nix may be steeper, but the view is better once you scale it."
      • "The learning curve for *nix may be steep, but at least you only have to climb it once!

      And how true that is! Unix gurus from 20 years ago can at least know where to start with linux, as opposed to a DOS user sitting down to Windows ME, 2000, etc. There is less fundamental difference between any two (or three) *nix "variants" than between any two Micro$oft OS's -- DOS, Win9x, ME, 2000, NT, WinCE (the best named MS OS ever) and now Whistler..
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  2. No Amiga forecast..... by blogan · · Score: 5

    They don't forecast the rise of the Amiga? What? Didn't they even attempt any research? :)

  3. Stands to reason. by Soko · · Score: 5

    The big hardware players like IBM, HP and Compaq are likely tired of cow-towing to Bill & Co. every time they sell a machine. Linux means they can free themselves from any outside control in product development. It also levels the playing field for everyones hardware. Lastly, Linux is buying them mindshare from the people they need to support thier products - sysadmins, delvelopers and IT personnel in general - by introducing them to a *NIX variant, they get a toe-hold for thier proprietary versions of *NIX. No wonder they're all solidly behind Linux - it's good business.

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  4. Some background reading by update() · · Score: 5
    Check out Gartner's previous pronouncements on this subject. In particular, read Gartner Slams Linux from just over a year ago. I wish they'd explain what new development has caused them to upgrade Linux's prospects from hopeless to unstoppable. XFree86 4? TuxRacer? Gnome Foundation press releases?

    Of course, the 2.4 kernel is due soon. But that was true last October, too. ;-)

    1. Re:Some background reading by mikeee · · Score: 3

      The point of Gartner reports isn't prediction, or somebody would have noticed by now that they're right out to a timeframe of exactly one corporate budget cycle and further out are about as accurate as my magic 8-ball.

      Their real purpose is to codifiy and legitimize the conventional wisdom among IT executives by making it expensive and official. For only $5K/year you, too, can CYA!

  5. No mention of .NET by Chalst · · Score: 4
    The findings seem plausible to me, but they declined to comment on the
    new MS strategy. A way of looking at the .NET roll-out is that MS
    have given up their strategy of trying to convert heterogenous systems
    over to MS only systems, and have attampted to go for peaceful
    coexistence.

    It's a dangerous strategy if OS X takes off, since now there is a
    UNIX-like OS with a first rate desktop / GUI development environment.

  6. hmmm by the_other_one · · Score: 4

    According to the article BSD will cease to exist. Or at least remain completely unnoticed by journalists.

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  7. Some thoughts... by dillon_rinker · · Score: 4

    Linux shipped revenue in 2005 will approach 20 percent of the revenue of Unix and 17 percent of that of Windows.

    This, of course, says nothing about the number of units shipped or the number of boxes with Linux installed, as the "shipped revenue" of Linux can be as low as the purchaser desires.

    well-established OS environments that continue to benefit from the research and development resources of Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard and IBM,

    As nearly as I can tell, Linux benefits from their research as well. The lag is a little higher, but the 'geek effect'* means that Linux benefits from any research that benefits any other operating system.

    Much of the beneficial backlash Linux has gained at Windows NT's expense will dissipate by 2002, forcing the Linux community to refocus and re-energize its campaign for wide corporate acceptance.
    Yup. Market growth of any non-MS OS must eventually slow, as only hardcore MS-ites will continue to buy MS products, and everyone who's convinced that MS is non-optimal has already stopped buying MS products.

    Interesting article, but really only worthwhile from the point of view of business people and marketroids. Every business in the world could drop all support of Linux, and guess what?
    It would still exist and grow and improve.

    *geek effect: Geeks work in technical places. Geeks like Linux. Geeks learn new technical things in technical places. Geeks say "Hey, let's add this to Linux!"

  8. What about Apple? by fragermk · · Score: 4

    This report says nothing about how Apple products will effect things. Don't forget, way back in 1979 Steve Jobs brought the personal computer to the mass market. Apple is about to release a modern graphical operation system with a true Unix core. My personal prediction is that Apple will steadily gain marketshare in three critical computing markets: small to medium scale data serving (webserving), home clients and business clients. I see Apple's (not Linux's) marketshare equaling Microsoft's by the year 2005, if not sooner.

    1. Re:What about Apple? by fgodfrey · · Score: 3
      OS X runs a Mach microkernel at its core. This is not Unix. However, the way Mach works is that you put various "OS servers" on top of Mach. I think originally it was designed as (among other things) a way of running multiple OS "kernels" at once while Mach handled all the device driver interfaces and things like that. Part of OS X (since it was part of NeXTstep) is a BSD OS server (I think this is what BSD Lite is). Along with the OS server is a full BSD userland so you can pop open a window and run your favorite shell. Apple does all they can to mask the fact that deep down, sed/awk/grep and friends can run, but they are indeed there.

      I imagine, though I'm not an expert on OS X's kernel architecture, that they will choose to do Cocoa (the official OS X API - or is it Carbon that's the API? Whichever...) as another server directly on top of Mach. So, native OS X aps won't go through the BSD kernel, but native BSD aps will.

      I've seen a few prereleases of OS X and I was quite impressed. If I had a modern Mac, I'd definetly be running it. In the mean time, I'll stick with another OS that the Gartner Group thinks is going to go away - Irix (Hey Gartner guys! What OS is coming down the pipe that can do 1024 processors in a single kernel image like Irix and replacing it? What? There isn't one? Didn't think so :)

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  9. Microsoft-mindedness, gaming and other factors by rxmd · · Score: 3
    One factor they ignore is the general Microsoft-mindedness of computer users, especially corporate users. For example, while it is known that StarOffice and to some extent KOffice (even though that's still in beta and is going to remain there for more than just a while) are as compatible as it can be expected with Microsoft applications, still the average user thinks it is best to stick with MS Office for "compatibility reasons". The same applies to Internet browsing, and to some extent to OS choice as well ("I've got Windows at work, and I know how to use it, so I'll stick to it at home as well". Swap work and home, same effect.).

    Another thing they ignore is that computers are not only used for productive work. This was to be expected from Gartner, them being analysts, but still the fact remains that Windows is a better platform for games and will be, especially with the anticipated rise of technologies like the X-Box.

    A final thing they ignore is that OS choice appears to be less deterministic than one thinks it should be - while a number of people know that non-MS platforms are better for some applications, they still use Windows, and Windows does have its advantages, some geeks would rather be hanged than use it and stick to sometimes less comfortable and/or less powerful solutions.

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  10. How do they back up these claims? by molo · · Score: 4

    I just wanted to point something out here. While I agree this does seem to be a good endorsement for Linux's role, I have to wonder about some of these conclusions. One in particular was interesting to me:

    7. The performance advantages of RISC over Intel-based servers will decline by about 20 percent to 30 percent each year [..]

    They mention nothing to back this up, and it just plain doesn't make sense to me. This kind of conclusion without any presentation of a reason behind if makes me take this whole report with a grain of salt.

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  11. What Gartner Group Doesn't Understand About TCO by Otterley · · Score: 3
    The total-cost-of-ownership argument on behalf of Linux will disappear (Unix platform vendors like IBM and Sun already offer their Unix OSs at virtually no charge).

    What the Gartner Group doesn't understand about TCO (or at least fails to recognize in this report) is that the price of the OS license is only a tiny fraction of TCO. Here's what I think really matters in the calculation of TCO:

    Primary documentation. Is the operating system well-documented? Are the manuals (or man pages) accurate, well-written, clear and concise? Linux doesn't score particularly well in the man page department, unfortunately--I think it loses points here. However...

    Secondary documentation. How good is the secondary, user-contributed documentation out there relative to other operating systems? Are there well-written, current HOWTOs, user guides, tips and tricks, etc out there? If so, how well are they organized? Linux scores very high here. Other UNIXes are not so lucky. Windows has a lot of users out there--there are a lot of helpful tips on the Net but the documentation is not organized well.

    Source code availability. It's an old adage that "the source code is the best documentation," and it's hard to argue otherwise. If I really want to know how a certain function call works, or how the kernel is talking to the hardware, I can dig out the glibc or kernel sources and see for myself, and be 100% certain of the accuracy of my conclusions (well, as long as my understanding of the code is correct). Once again, Linux and other free OSes score high here. With commercial UNIXes and Windows, you have to trust the documentation -- which is often not 100% accurate. In addition, if there's just a bug that needs to be fixed, it's often much easier to fix it yourself if you have access to the source code. Waiting for Microsoft or a commercial UNIX vendor to get a patch out to you can be painfully costly if your product or service's success is dependent on your software vendor's turnaround capability.

    In summary, what I think really counts the most towards TCO is the relative understanding of the managers who plan system rollouts and the administrators who maintain them once they're out there. I've seen way too many Windows NT admins out there banging their heads on their desks because something doesn't work the way the documentation says it will, and they have no hope of getting it right because Tech Support doesn't know either. This leads to a lot of costly experimentation (labour is much more expensive than hardware) to make things work.

    On the other hand, while Linux documentation isn't always perfect, it's plentiful, it's reasonably organized, and if you just can't find what you need from the HOWTOs or the man pages, you can always fall back on the source code.

  12. They missed one... by chazR · · Score: 3

    Over the next five years, a large number of recent graduates who are in sysadmin positions will start to rise to positions of greater purchasing power in IS departments. Many of these people have grown up with Free operating systems.

    Additionally, new recruits into corporate IS departments will also have had significant experience of Free operating systems at University.

    Together, this means that a lot of the traditional barriers to Linux/*BSD in the server room will disappear.

    Coupled with the increasing quality of desktop tools for X (Gnome, KDE, StarOffice, KOffice etc) this *may* cause a gradual acceptance of Linux etc. on the corporate desktop.

    Happy days ahead.... - Mind you, I have been wrong before, and the Gartner Group are not exactly perfect.

  13. Monterey? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3
    Huh? They think that Monterey is actually happening? That is very optimistic.

    Thanks

    Bruce

  14. Gartner's crystal ball is useless by Tony+Shepps · · Score: 5
    I had access to their research in early 1998 when I worked at a big-5 consulting company. Even in that time frame, Linux was not on their radar screen. Anyone who has access to their archives, please feel free to do searches on Linux for March 1998 and earlier. I'll wager you won't find anything more serious than a casual mention.

    At one point during that time, they predicted that four Unixes would survive. I believe the winners were Solaris, HPUX, Digital Unix, and SCO. That's right; March 1998 or so and Linux was NOT EVEN MENTIONED AS A PLAYER, much less a survivor.

    Now, they sprinkle notes like "0.7 probability" throughout their predictions, so they have an out, but one would rather they show more of their work.
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    1. Re:Gartner's crystal ball is useless by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3
      Almost without exception, Gartner offers a description of the situation on the ground today as a "prediction" for what the situation will be like in 2-5 years.

      That's true for at least part of the linked report. Other parts are as vague as a newspaper's daily horoscope:
      3.Hewlett-Packard's transition from PA-RISC to IA-64, with big decisions for users, in 2003
      Now that's really a helpful forecast, isn't it?

      I have come to the tentative conclusion that what Gartner's reports are really for is not to predict the future, but rather to buffer today's news for PHBs.

      A PHB might go into shock if s/he found out that 30% of the internet runs on Linux today, but if s/he reads a Gartner report saying that that might be the case in 2-5 years, then s/he can start getting used to the idea, and maybe not poop pants when a Linux firewall is discovered down in IT. Indeed, s/he might engage in a bit of self-congratulation for being ahead of the curve, rather than firing some staff and ordering the offensive machine removed.

      So while I remain critical of the intellectual content of Gartner's reports (and ditto for others of that ilk), I now also recognize that they are providing an important service to the public, and I applaud them for it.
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  15. Gartner is full of it... by Ami+Ganguli · · Score: 5

    Gartner's clients are CTOs and managers who quote Gartner reports in order to justify pet projects. It works like this:

    1. Techies play with cool stuff.

    2. The techies start whispering into the ears of their managers about the cool stuff they're playing with. The techies know not to challenge the status-quo too much or they'll be ignored, so the managers only really hear about moderately cool stuff.

    3. Managers (many of whom are has-been techies) start to daydream about the cool stuff the techies have mentioned. Some if it sounds like it might be useful, but of course the big boss (CEO, CFO, etc.) will never go for it, oh well.

    4. Gartners asks the managers and CTOs what they've been thinking about.

    5. Gartner produces a report that reflects what the managers _would_like_to_do, but don't really have the guts for.

    6. Managers buy Gartner reports and use them to justify their pet projects.

    The conclusion: Gartner is really reporting techie opinions, filtered through a powerful "you can't handle the truth" lens and contaminated with strange manager ideas.

    What will happen now is that all the managers who were dreaming of Windows installations will keep doing what they were doing. All the managers who were dreaming of Linux will have some ammo to justify jumping in with both feet.

    If the techies in the organization like Linux, the Windows projects will fall strangely behind schedule while the Linux projects will go surprisingly well (it's amazing how happy techies make a project go better). In two years, shortly after the managers have noticed that their Windows projects are going nowhere, Gartner will report that Linux is suddenly the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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  16. Disagree - please enlighten me by chazR · · Score: 3

    I disagree. When I was at University (left 9 years ago) I wasn't aware of *any* free operating systems. Certainly none that were 'industrial strength'. Please let me know which OSs you are thinking about. (I did Maths, so YMMV)

    We used SunOS on workstations, BBC Micros (I kid you not) and a chuffing great Control Data monster running something nasty (but it compiled and ran FORTRAN77, which was all we needed).

    My point is (and this comes from experience of hiring people) that recent graduates in CS *all* run free operating systems out of choice. These operating systems are now totally capable of earning their food in the datacentre. I am *seeing* this pressure to adopt Linux/*BSD where I work.

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