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Nattering Nabobs Of NASA Negativity

code_rage writes "IEEE Spectrum Magazine has an article by James Oberg which enumerates some of the problems which have cropped up and will crop up during assembly of Space Station Alpha (or whatever it is called this week). The article lists many software problems, including safety related issues. Also a problem which was news to me: the U.S.-supplied Solar Arrays operate at a high voltage, which would place astronauts at risk of a potentially deadly plasma discharge during EVA. The workarounds include some Catch-22's."

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  1. News Flash: New complex design has problems! by Golias · · Score: 3
    Let's get realistic here. Of course the software is buggy, and of course there are design flaws all over the hardware. It's a feakin' space station! They are hard to make, hard to launch, and hard to maintain. Why do you think the US and Russia tried to squeeze every last usable minute out of Mir?

    I see no reason to panic based on what was in that article.

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  2. Come on, anybody who saw the movie "Outland"... by human+bean · · Score: 3
    ...would know this. Sean Connery almost died from it, and we couldn't have that. As it was, the evil traitor in the red spacesuit bit it, sparks flying off the solar panels as he slowly fell, his pressure suit breached.

    We are catching up to science fiction, and I for one am glad to see it. Now bring me my flying car.

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  3. Star Trek sparks by Private+Essayist · · Score: 5

    Why should this be a surprise that there might be electrical problems? Haven't we learned from Star Trek that future space craft, when under any kind of stress, immediately give off massive sparks through the consoles?
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    1. Re:Star Trek sparks by Private+Essayist · · Score: 3
      Good point. Actually, the tech in Star Trek I am most impressed with is how those console buttons work:

      Captain: "Target their sensor arrays with a medium-burst photonic beam."
      Ensign: "Aye, Captain" and pushes 3 or 4 random buttons on the console.
      Captain: "Set up a medium-level force field around decks 3, 4, and 17 aft."
      Ensign: "Aye, Captain" and pushes 3 or 4 other random buttons.
      Captain: "Create a weapon out of technology none of us have ever thought of before this very moment but the lieutenant over there just suggested."
      Ensign: "Aye, Captain" and pushes 4 or 5 buttons.

      NASA can brag all they want, but until they get this magic console button technology, they ain't got squat!
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  4. Re:Question. by bmongar · · Score: 3

    I remember asking the same question when I worked at Rockwell Collins, why were they using 186's in the Boing 777. They don't need more. Plus that chip has been around long enough for them to have a damn good idea of what could go wrong with it. The more complex the chip, the higher the chances of something going wrong.

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  5. Ask Slashdot? by jafac · · Score: 3

    by the way, how does one pronounce "Zvezda"?

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  6. Solar array plasma potential dangers are low. by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 5

    Yes, the solar arrays on the ISS are supposed to be around 160 volts, which is a lot higher than most satellites. They've designed around it, though. The ISS is connected to the solar array via a positive ground rather than a negative one, which should keep the station itself safe for astronauts. (They still should avoid the array if possible, though.) And the plasma contactor mentioned in the article is a pretty useful item that's worked on scientific satellites for years. With the PCU working, they shouldn't have many problems.

    If the PCU goes out, though, plasma charging is a problem. You have the possibility of electrical arcs...which are equally dangerous to astronauts and to the electrical equipment on the station. The torques on the station change when the ground is disturbed, possibly changing its orbit or spin. Ion sputtering (erosion of the spacecraft hull) increases...although that's probably the least of your concerns. There may be periods in the orbit when the astronauts, if they work quickly, can get out and fix things safely. That'd be tough, though, as they hit the aurorae belts every orbit and the South Atlantic Anomaly at least once every seven. You don't want to be EVA over south america next to an ungrounded high voltage space station.

    But the folks who build the ISS know what they're doing, and I think they'll have the plasma environment under control. Some of the other problems mentioned in that article I did not know about and do look like a worry, but I'm sure things aren't as dire as the article writer is predicting.

    (Full disclosure: I work (subcontract) for NASA on a satellite program unrelated to the ISS. Whether that makes me knowledgeable or just biased is your decision. :) )

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    1. Re:Solar array plasma potential dangers are low. by MrScience · · Score: 3

      Wow, hadn't heard of the South Atlantic Anomaly before... Here's a great link about it: http://www.ll.mit.edu/ST/sbv/saa.html

      Hope it survive's Slashdot's mungling.

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  7. Science is already feeling the burn... by TOTKChief · · Score: 5

    The payload I've been working on--and from the best I can tell, most of the other payloads on UF-1, the first of the many Utilization Flights--was bumped from its flight. Technically, we weren't on schedule, but the schedule is unrealistic to begin with.

    The manifest is full of lies, damned lies, and statistics, but that's no different than any other NASA program. It's the typical NASA FUD: make the schedules unreasonable, and when the contractors fail to meet specs, blame the contractors, slip the schedule, and ask Congress for more money.

    It makes one wish for the days of carte blanche, when the schedules were unreasonable, but you could at least throw enough money and brainpower at a situation to get the thing solved. People worked long hours, slept at their desks, had recreation at work, and took simple pleasure at their jobs being finally completed--then moved to another job.

    You see, the geek culture today has a lot of roots in the geek culture of the '60s--but instead of Apollo and Saturn, we work on Linux and Gnome. Rather than the Evil Empire of the Soviet Union, which hid all their secrets behind an impenetrable Iron Curtain, we now fight the Evil Empire of Redmond, which hides all their secrets behind the impentrable Closed-Source Curtain.

    All of which begs to ask: where's the deals with Life, and when does Tom Wolfe write a book on the open-source movement?


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  8. Re:nattering nabobs of negativity by ptomblin · · Score: 5

    Coining the phrase "Nattering Nabobs of Negativity" is one of the two memorable things that Spiro Agnew accomplished while he was Vice President. The other was managing to get forced to resign his office during the middle of the Watergate scandal for something totally unrelated to Watergate.

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  9. Complex == Fragile by volsung · · Score: 4
    I asked a similar question while I was working on the software team at our university's satellite design lab. The electronics guru explained that, among other things (many of which have been mentioned), one of the reasons we can't slap a Celeron into orbit (or even a Crusoe if you want real power savings) is that the manufacturing process uses such small gates that it doesn't take much stray radiation to start flipping bits in your CPU registers. DRAM is already suceptible to this and needs error-correcting bits to be reliable.

    The big, fat gates in a 386SX are also nice and sturdy from an electrical perspective.

  10. Re:Dude: by Erbo · · Score: 3
    They do think of things like this...for example, see this document, which was a speech prepared for President Nixon (by William Safire) to make to the nation in the event of a disaster on Apollo 11 (presumably one that would have left Armstrong and Aldrin marooned, to die when their oxygen ran out). I can't imagine that they don't have contingency plans tucked away in case something bad happens to one of the guys on the ISS (or on the Shuttle, for that matter). And imagine what could happen on a future Mars mission...

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  11. Re:For the purpose of redundancy... by Rombuu · · Score: 3

    ... NASA should use several poorly-trained astronaut teams, instead of one well-trained team. This way, they could afford to lose one or more astronaut teams, but the mission could still continue because of the hot spares available.

    Would this be a RAID system (Redundent Array of Inexperienced Dudes?)

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