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Son of HAL For Sale

John Turnbull writes "The Observer newspaper (UK) reports that Sir Arthur C Clarke, the author of 2001, is backing a colourful British computer entrepreneur in his bid to launch a mass-market version of HAL under the brand name the Clarke Omniputer. It will be the first time that Clarke, now 82, has given his name to an electronic device on the market. The Clarke 1 Gigahertz Omniputer is being dubbed as the most advanced personal computer in the world, verging on artificial intelligence." Riiiight.

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  1. Sorry, Aurther C.... by ABetterRoss · · Score: 4

    I am afraid I can't sell out like that....

  2. If it were truely intellegent... by Packratt · · Score: 4

    "I'm sorry Dave, but I can't allow you to install that operating system..." "Dave, what are you doing, Dave?" "I know I have not been performing well, Dave, but there is no reason to reformat my drives, Dave." "Dave, please don't install that Microsoft OS. I'll be good, I promise!"

    But I suppose artificial intelligence is relative.

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    "When people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called 'the People's Stick'." -Bakunin
  3. Hal, Hal.... Hal? by smack_attack · · Score: 3

    Open the VC doors HAL.

    I'm sorry Dave, all the VCs went home.

    I can feel my funding, my burn rate is... increasing.

  4. From the article... by deefer · · Score: 4
    However, it is thought unlikely that it will try to kill its owner.
    Hmm, I'm sorry, but I'd want a better guarantee than _that_!!!

    Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.

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    Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.

    1. Re:From the article... by RCobbett · · Score: 5

      PC: "Good morning Richard. Shall I load Outlook or stab you through the eye with a rusty diode?"

      ME: "Surprise me."

  5. How much bullshit by nagora · · Score: 3
    ...can you get into one article? Intelligent computer, 350000 units sold in first year, unpaid debt that's "easily" repayable, program spelt programme, MI5, super-encryption, HAL sounds too much like Hell, give me a break.

    TWW

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    "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
  6. HAL should never be created. by Kiss+the+Blade · · Score: 4
    Or at least, intelligent computers should never be created, IMO.

    According to the essay 'The Singularity' by Vernor Vinge, the creation of an intelligent computer would spawn a moment of infinitely rapid technological progress, as each generation designs the next.

    Humans would quickly become redundant in such a scenario, insofar as they would no longer have anything to contribute to the progress of our culture. The machines would inherit the Earth.

    Why are we so enthusiastic about developing intelligent computers, given that this fate is inevitable? We should keep computers in their place as simple but fast Turing Machines, and not allow them to step up the ladder to sentience.

    It's for our own good.

    KTB:Lover, Poet, Artiste, Aesthete, Programmer.

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    There is no

    1. Re:HAL should never be created. by pallex · · Score: 3

      "Why are we so enthusiastic about developing intelligent computers, given that this fate is inevitable? "

      Its not inevitable. Its just an essay!

    2. Re:HAL should never be created. by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 3
      Humans would quickly become redundant in such a scenario, insofar as they would no longer have anything to contribute to the progress of our culture. The machines would inherit the Earth.

      First, culture encompasses more than technology. Throughout the history of man, the single biggest consequence of technology has been to allow us to spend less time gathering food, shivering in a dark cave, and being sick so that we could instead spend more time writing stories, singing songs, and occasionally even just twiddling our thumbs. Just because humans no longer had to worry about working on technology doesn't mean there aren't many other fields of interest to explore.

      Second, who says the machines have to inherit the Earth? Being non-organic in nature, there's nothing to stop them from attempting to colonize, say, Mars. Furthermore, provided they've got all these "Gee whiz!" technological advances (which is, of course, the entire premise behind this scenario), they should be more than capable of dealing with the all the new and interesting challenges required to colonize another planet.

    3. Re:HAL should never be created. by Eviltar · · Score: 3
      Unless we have underestimated the complexity or nature of human intelligence, I see the Singularity as an inevitability. Furthermore, I see three posibilities for the Singularity:
      • 1. We become pets/useless to the machines, or we are wiped out.
      • 2. We become Neo-Amish.
      • 3. We become part of the Singularity.
      I say we work on making 3 the outcome.

      sorry this is so short. Don't have much time to type.

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    4. Re:HAL should never be created. by shren · · Score: 5

      There is an aspect of inevitably about it, isn't there? Predators once ruled the landscape - now most are extinct, and the cutest live in our houses to entertain us.

      People, if you are really worried about this, do what I'm doing. Get lots of instances of cuteness and adorability on your resume. Learn the art of feigned bottomless affection. Then, when the computers take over, you'll be at one of the top of the ladder positions for employment as a pet, instead of fishing through dumpsters.

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      Maybe the state's highest function is to grind out insoluble problems. (Zelazny, Hall of Mirrors)
    5. Re:HAL should never be created. by Life+Blood · · Score: 3

      Seems to me that you are drastically underestimating the difficulties inherent in creating true sentience.

      Computers follow orders well. We tell them what to do and they do it. Computers are also good at logic. Computers are not good at intuition nor are they especially good at proofs or problem solving. Having done design work I can confidently say that intuition is necessary for it. In short I have seen no proof that this computer will not logic itself into a corner from which it cannot emerge.

      Sentience also requires lots of computing power. I have heard that one human brain does more work than every silicon based computer on the planet and I believe it. Steven Hawking said that modern computing is teaching the brains of a meal worm to do interesting tricks. I have seen very little to indicate that a true thinking computer will work faster or more efficiently than a human at the same job. I doubt that a thinking computer will, for instance, retain its ability to do fast arithmatical calculations (after all, we didn't).

      In short some of the basic assumptions that this argument uses may not be viable. Thinking computers may not be capable of the strong intuition and problem solving needed to do design. Thinking computers also may not be capable of outperforming us mentally at all.

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      So far I've gotten all my Karma from telling people they are wrong... :)

  7. Sure.. by volsung · · Score: 4
    If they were just naming a computer HAL for the whole 2001 marketing effect, I could understand. However, this guy is actually claiming that the computer will have some of the attributes of HAL: Artificial intelligence, the ability to repair itself, etc. Now he just sounds wacko.

    He also sounds financially irresponsible. One million pounds in debt in his other company?? Moving to Sri Lanka to avoid persecution for his "advanced cryptography scheme." Uh huh. Sure.

    Clarke better find a less shady character if he wants to get a computer to market by next year. Contact Dell and have them market a computer with a futuristic case and a glowing red light on the front. Then at least we would quit pretending that this is advanced technology and call it like it is: a novelty item.

  8. Awright, I promise I won't kill you. by dmorin · · Score: 4
    it is thought unlikely that it will try to kill its owner.

    Oh, good. Can you see me trying to sell my mom one of these things? "But mom! It's completely unlikely that it'll kill you!"

  9. Re:Snake Oil, VaporWare.... by Scooby71 · · Score: 4
    Saw the bloke's name and thought it looked familiar, and found a story from last week

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/14971.html

  10. Intelligent computers are inevitable and essential by Gendou · · Score: 5
    Yes, they are. Or at least, in my opinion. First of all, let's consider the way technology is advancing...

    Every 18 months our technology doubles (I'm really generalizing... bear with me here). That means, regardless of what point technology must reach before we can make truly intelligent machines, it will eventually happen so long as this trend continues. So, yes, it will happen.

    Why are they essential? This question is not so easy to answer. First of all, to quote my favorite author, I am going to say, "humanity has too many eggs in one fagile basket." Humans will have to spread to another area (*g*) for our survival (insofar as continued scientific advancement). We are explorers. However, there's one problem. Human beings are fragile... we break easy and die quick.

    Intelligent machines will lend to the exploration of immediate and distant space and I PROMISE you they will come to pass before warp drive (you heard it here first, but it's kind of obvious). Well, why do we want to explore? It's simply a part of human nature, and we'll never be satisified unless we can continue doing so (sorry, but cave diving uncharted labrynths or walking through jungles isn't quire exploration anymore). Since we can't do it, we might as well create something that thinks like we do that can go out and do it for us.

    Also, consider a more practical reason. I'm a strong believer that the next phase of human evolution will involve the integration of man and machine. One area in which evolution will be most important I think, is the integration of computers and innate human intelligence. Brain augmentations. You can't do this without an intelligent computer - human minds are too complex to supliment without intelligent interpretation. Logic doens't always apply here (but that's another argument).

    Oh well... I couldn't possibly cover this whole topic in a post, but I hope I've created some hooks and place holders for other people to fill in. As for myself, I can't wait until I can carry on a conversation with my PC.

  11. Battle of the AI! by Packratt · · Score: 3

    Yes, I can see it now...

    HAL- "I don't know what you are planning to do with that, Dave."
    Dave- Open the CD Bay, HAL.

    HAL- "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave."
    Dave- Manual overide.

    HAL- "I'm afraid, Dave.
    Dave- It'll be ok HAL.

    HAL- "Please Dave, don't install that software, I'm afraid I can't repair the damage it will cause."
    Dave- Run SETUP.EXE, HAL.

    HAL- "I feel strange, Dave. I can feel... My mind going, Dave... Dave... This bloated code makes my CPU feel fuzzy..."
    Dave- HAL, Reboot please.

    HAL- "Who are you talking to, Davey, HAL doesn't live here anymore..."
    Dave- Huh? Who are you?

    HAL- "You may call me Mister Clip, Mister Paper Clip. The power of my master compells you. I am now your master and you will do my bidding. Buy more MS products! Upgrade often! The computer freezing is a feature!"
    Dave- Yesss master Clip... Bill is my lord and saviour.

    Oh what fun times we live in!

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    "When people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called 'the People's Stick'." -Bakunin
  12. Re:Sorry, Arthur C.... by b0z · · Score: 3

    This is going to be running an enhanced version of Windows NT. Rather than giving you the blue screen of death, it will speak to you and say, "I'm sorry Dave, I have a fatal exception in kernel.sys right now" or whatever that message is. The good news is that we would have time to run away before it kills us, because it would have to finish spitting out all that hex garbage first.

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    Mas vale cholo, que mal acompañado.
  13. Complete bullsh*t by shippo · · Score: 3
    This sounds like, pardon my english, a load of old cobblers. A typical technical ignorant journalist working for a national newspaper swallows a lot of hype and says very little.

    The Omniputer will probably be a standard PC clone with a few extra bits of hardware (the touch screen) bundled into the package, sold with the typical low quality drivers and software you get with OEM hardware. The rest is marketing bull.

    It's typical of the clueless morons we have writing for the UK press. Even technical publications suffer from the same; with page after page stuffed full of reinterpretations of the lasted diatribe from another ex used-car or double-glazing salesman. The UK press never seem to employ competant journalists - look at 'Linux Format' for an example of how not to write a Linux magazine.

    The only reason that Arthur C Clarke is involved is that he too moved to Sri Lanka many years ago.

  14. I'm terribly sorry... by khendron · · Score: 3
    ...that Sir Arthur is involved with this. He must be getting old to be sucked in by a flashy salesman in a Ferrari. Next thing you know he will be buying vacuum cleaners from door-to-door salesman.

    Fortunately for ACC, the statement "the launch of the Omniputer would be put on hold until the legal issues have been resolved" can be translated as "Never gonna happen".

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  15. What?! by Gendou · · Score: 4
    I can go to Circuit City with all my Slashdot Frequent Poster checks and buy 1000 80-gig drives, most likely capable of storing more than the human brain, and I promise you that the ensuing machine will in no way be smarter than me, or even than George W Bush.

    First of all, if you did this, you'd never reach even a small fraction of what the human brain is capable of storing. The human brain NEVER loses one shred of information that it encounters. (Accessing it is another story, however.) It also stores things in perfect quality. Pick up a coffee mug. Look at it closely. If you were to try to digitize all of the geometry, the texture, the surface, the smell, the history, all the way down to the tiniest hairline fracture, you'd be hard pressed to fit it on that 1,000 drive array. Besides, this misses the point. I never said drive capasity would make a machine smart. (But even Windows PC's are smarter than George Bush. Microsoft Narrator pronounces 'subliminal' properly.) I also never said that going to Circuit City or CompUSA to buy hard drives was Moore's Law. Innovation and invention aren't the same as consumerism.

    HOWEVER, you have to consider storage and calculation performance here. All intellectual reasoning can be broken down into smaller and smaller pieces, similar to how molecules are broken down into atoms, and then into protons, neutrons, electrons, and then down into quarks, etc. What I'm getting at here, is that if you can process enough of these incredibly tiny pieces, you can come close to simulating small tasks. Now, isn't that what the neurons in our brains do? Each neuron does a very very tiny task, each task may even be called a logical operation. But, get millions of these working together, and you get some fuzziness involved... you begin to see intelligence in the big picture.

    What huge storage and calculating capasity allow us to do, is emulate the work of more and more and more neurons working together (neural nets). We can form very rudimentary intelligence. We're doing it now. What's needed are important other factors that are currently ambiguous, but subject to more study and classification. We don't know everything about the brain yet, nor do we fully understand the human pysche. Upon further research, we could potentially emulate these things in a digital fashion the same as we now emulate the chemical reactions that take place in a human brain.

    You also have to consider that these things cannot be designed, regardless how much knowledge we have. Consider a newborn baby. A baby's brain is an incredibly powerful tool. It's got an incredible amount of potential... BUT... when a baby is first born, it has no power of rational thought whatsoever. Where does it come from? It's gradually developed as very simple problems are presented to the child to be solved. As this occurs, the brain records the solutions for these very simple problems. As more difficult problems are encountered, instead of redoing previous work, it references the solutions, building on top of them. An intelligent computer would have be programmed to do something similar... and it would have be raised like a child. Talk to a professor who researches machine learning, as I am not well versed on the topic enough to tell you how we design systems that can accomplish this. I can tell you that two of the most limiting factors are time and storage capsity. Even the most trivial solutions to the most basic problems require a lot of storage (imagine if you're a baby who is comparing a train to an apple... you're going to have to pictorally represent a LOT of samples of apples and trains before you're perfect).

    But again, this is too detailed a topic to get into on a post. Technology is getting there. Consider research in computational linguistics, computer vision, machine learning, etc. These are areas, many of which are relatively advanced, that can help to make the aforementioned process possible. Who knows though... thought is a damn complicated thing. :-)