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Mozilla .6 Released
jensend writes: "Mozilla's .6 milestone has been reached. This should bring the functionality of Netscape 6 without the marketing stuff and performance hit. Details at Mozilla .6 Release Notes."
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Perhaps we should focus on more important tasks such as security, speed and _actual_ functionality and stop developing fluff like see through windows, skins and all in one clients!
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> Why the hell does Mozilla need an IRC client??
Because Netscape is now AOL's equivalent of MS's "integrated desktop", the average AOLer is happy to be spoonfed, and AOL is happy to oblige them on that.
Look forward to Galeon and its ilk, if you want a barenaked browser.
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this - I just downloaded the installer version for windows, and it's 6,666 Kb.
;-)
I also thought it would be IE that had that size
Mike.
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Um, the whole point of XUL was to have a cross-platform GUI. With that came "free" skinnability. People who skin and program aren't necessarily mutually inclusive! There are plenty of artsy graphics people who love to skin and show off their work, who haven't touched a line of code in their life. And there are plenty of programmers who will continue working hard on mozilla, and not spend their time working on skins. It's not like everybody on the Mozilla project has now decided "Hey guys, this skin stuff is really cool. Drop everything! Let's create skins instead!". And while skins may have the potential of creating confusing user interfaces, they also have the potential of creating much better, or customized ones. Instead of bitching over some programmer's brain-dead UI, you can make your own, or rely on some Really Smart UI or graphics guy to make one for you. If you don't like skins don't use them! That's why there is such a thing as "default" skin. Many people probably won't even change this skin, let alone realize that they can.
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The announcement points people to the nightly builds directory. Someone on the mozilla site should change that!
Thanks for the info, and perhaps someone should moderate your comment up so that it shows up right under mine for people who are threading.
I really hate it when systemadministrators fuck up good machines like this. You can use the plugin on IE just as well. The default jvm included with netscape is just about the lousiest version out there (the IE version is way better than that) so I don't follow your argument. As far as standards are concerned netscape 4 implements the html 3 standard pretty well (not perfect though). It might even outcompete ie 3 in that area. However, the rest of the world has moved on and netscape 4 is pretty lousy at all the other relevant standards.
I agree that Netscape (or really mozilla) did the right thing by kicking out their crappy JVM. If they had done that four years ago, applets might have actually become popular.
Jilles
However, Netscape has yet to release a Solaris build, or an HP-UX build, or anything aside from a Linux 2.2 build. Now I see that the Mozilla folks are taking the same approach - which is disappointing.
Is there any reason for this? I mean, they're building a Solaris 2.6 nightly every day and it works beautifully (on 2.7, for me). Are they ever going to officially release a version or is the onus going to be on admins to compile their own version for anything other than the 3 big platforms? This kind of approach seems awfully shortsighted. I thought part of the whole point of Mozilla was platform independence and the ability to easily build a new port.
I'm not flaming the Mozilla folks here, I recognize quality work when I see it, but I'm just curious why they don't have a Mozilla 0.6 (or a Netscape 6 - yes, I realize that's a different story) for Solaris.
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Mozilla has really come along way. Ive been using the nightly builds for the past 3 months (upgrading daily, missed very few builds) and the quality of Mozilla is really improving
.6 and tried it out. The first thing I tried to do is install the Java plugin from netscape. Amazingly enough, went without problem. This has been kinda tricky, even in the last few nightly builds. PSM (to enable SSL) installed nicely, but thats nothing new. Then I fired up Mozilla mail and the filters still work (my filters died for some reason a few nights ago)
Ive now just gotten
In conclusion, Mozilla is very stable. Its not perfect, it might just crash on you, but it does it, and does it well. I have not used any other browser in several weeks. I get all my email (including a subscribtion to linux-kernel mailing list among others) through mozilla mail, and it filters it nicely and loads the spool (sometimes over 1500 messages) quickly. Even if your not ready to throwout Netscape just yet, give Mozilla a try. Im glad that this Milestone is stable, the past Milestone (M18) was really awful, and I recommended against it and told others to just use the nightly builds. This one seems to finally be the one to work, and work well.
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As to flash, runs fine, don't know what your talking about.
and the last part of your argument, well thats just mean man! If you find this sort of stuff irking you, don't run it! or if you care, which its obvoius you do, then try to help in some way, either by downloading nightly builds and submitting bug reports, or actually changing the code to your liking (i don't, but i don't whine about useless things and complain when they don't get fixed when all the tools are laid out before me either)
Lemure, wtf! Don't you mean Lemur?
If you think about it it's pretty amazing -- what Netscape considers good enough for release barely makes a blip on Mozilla's charts. Makes you wonder what Netscape was smoking when they shipped.
It actually is.
Take a look at the Mozilla Roadmap to see what releases are planned, the time frame, and all that good stuff.
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In related news it seems that the WaSP have changed their minds about Netscape 6.
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From the release notes:
If you are installing Mozilla on a multi-user operating system such as Linux, Unix, or Windows 2000, you should install it separately in the user directory of each user who plans to use Mozilla.
Forget it, I'm not even going to try this. The last thing I want to have to do is have a HUGE program installed once for every user on the machine. Sure, at home, I'm mostly the only user, but not entirely. And at work, we can't afford that kind of disk space in everyone's home directories.
Why is it so hard to get a Mozilla with SSL working with a true multiuser install? I mean, hell, Quake 3 has a true multiuser install nowadays. Older browsers never had trouble with it. I like what I've seen of Mozilla, but I'm not going to consider it a viable option until the thing works on my Unix system like a Unix piece of software, not like a hacked-over piece of Windows 95 or MacOS 7 software.
-Rob
The site doesn't do a good job of telling you WHAT to download (it just points you to the uber-confusing nightly download directory).
Here's what I know. The build comments page points you to a Linux, Mac and a Windows version. These all live in the same download directory from 12/6/2000.
Hope that helps people out.
here (Mozilla screwed that up, not me. Honestly!)
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The new 2.0.1 version looks real nice. The jittery display while loading Slashdot is gone, it now understand E*Trade's protocol-less relative URLs, and no longer gets confused by localhost:10000. Give it a try.
Oh, and for those who wonder: yes, it does Java, Javascript and NS compatible plugins. And it handles those mazes of nested tables from hell perfectly well, unlike netscape.
All I want is a "Netscape 4.8X". A slightly more stable version of 4.76 (which is a LOT better than 4.70) and with some of the motif gui bugs fixed. Then I'd be set for life... or at least another 18 - 24 months.
I've created a Links Panel for Mozilla (works with nightlies, Moz0.6 and NS6) and I've wrapped up the History Panel RFE from bug 32594
Other packages/projects can be retrieved from mozdev.org and a very cool forum reader called Forumzilla
Enjoy!
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To be on the safe and official side i have replaced all IE boxes with Netscape 4.76 and Java plugin 1.2.2 because that is the only standard that works. Ever try running a real Java application under IE? It doesn't work! It will crap out, cause problems or simply run slow or not at all.
The move to a true JVM is a blessing, it just shows ignorance on your part in that microsoft re-packages it. Would it make you feel better if netscape renamed it to javigator and installed it for you?
I know no-one here admits to running Windows...
/., Blink, Microsoft.com and MSN.com (just to add it to their logs ;).
I've just installed this on my NT machine - it installed first time without problems, and seems to work pretty good on the whole. Not had time to do much real testing, but i'm impressed so far. It copes with
Quicker than i'd been lead to expect too - i can't say as i can tell much difference in speed from IE 5.5.
(-1: Admitting to running Windows)
PigPog.
Anyway, download JVM plug-in here:
Wow! I managed to get Mozilla .6 just before it was announced on /. and before the servers are /.'ed.
.6 to my local leafnode (no, don't bother...it's behind a filtering router). Nozilla read fine the grouplist, I subscribed and even read 3-4 postings. Then everything got stuck, mozilla eating up all the cpu-time it possibly could and I had to -9 it. I tried a few times with roughly the same result. I didn't bother to check the mail functionalities.
Anyways, contrary to previous milestones and nightly builds, this version installed smoothly on my laptop (running Debian) - and seems to run moderately fine. I have tried on some otherwise troublesome URL's, which look surprisingly good.
There are small rendering glitches, such as when writing this text in the "Comment" textfield on slashdot. If I fill out a line, ending a word exactly on the last character in the field, then the "space" before the next word will be in the beginning of the next line. It looks funny, but is hardly annoying.
The browser looks slick, as does the mail&news component. However mail&news seems to be something I will leave with pine for a while. I tried to connect Nozilla
So while it may not be ready for prime-time on all fronts, then it cirtanly seems to have replaced Netscape as my browser. Ohh, wait - Mozilla IS netscape. Nevermind, it is a fine product thus far.
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The "nested tables from hell" is NOT the problem with Netscape. The most insane nested tables by themselves will render just fine. I've been following this particular problem for several years and have it pinned down pretty solidly. The bug (which has likely been in all Netscapes since at least 3.04, but to my knowledge has only *seriously* _manifested_ in 3.04 and 4.6x) is actually this:
If you have a lot of links *inside* tables, and IF those links consist of a lot of characters, then it triggers a resource leak which can become fatal. If you cut down on the number of links inside the tables, or halve the number of characters in each link, the leak doesn't occur.
It wouldn't surprise me if the bug is in Mozilla as well (since it's apparently in the rendering core) but only manifests in certain builds.
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For those that want to finally kill off Netscape 4 and use Mozilla. Actually, it's alot easier then people make it out to be.
/home/username , if you're the only one that uses your machine. Or make a mozilla group.
/home/username/package
/usr/bin , or somewhere in your path. Then make a symlink called netscape that points to it.
1. untar the package somwhere. (duh!). But here's the tricky part. If you want to install software though it(plugins, themes, etc.) you have to have write acess. So do two things. Install it in
2. set two envioment variables. MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME and LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Both should point to where you installed Mozilla, eg.
3. copy mozilla-bin to
Have fun. I've been running nightlies for awhile, with varying success. Some are really good, then you get one the next day that's just dog slow. Then three days later it's ok again, with a couple more bugs fixed. So if you get another nightly, don't delete your old mozilla install before you try it for a few minutes.
The IRC client was written by outside developers. There are games written using Mozilla, also by outside developers. Are you going to complain about that, too? If you don't want the IRC client, then don't install it, just like you wouldn't install an IRC client on your system if you didn't want it.
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