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The "*BSD is dying" troll trys the handwaving arguments again.
Most analysts agree that *BSD is dying.
What analysts? Where? Who? Do you have some facts here?
No facts? Sorry troll-girl, but repeating a mantra over and over '*BSD is dying' doesn't make it so.
The same forces that are killing *BSD are the same ones that hurt SCO
Really? Care to explain this further?
SCO used to charge extra for a TCP/IP stack. And extra for a compiler. And extra for, well, everything.
Free/Net/OpenBSD do not charge ANYTHING....you can DL 2 floppies and bootstrap a system off the old AOL 3.0 floppies sent to you.
Looks like the cost issue of SCO doesn't exist with BSD. So either you had some other idea in mind toll-girl, or you are making up stuff as you go along.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
I wouldn't normally respond to stuff like this, but would it really be that difficult to add something to the lameness filter that prevents more than a few BR or P tags in a row? I would think it would be worth it for this thread alone, never mind all the other threads this person has rendered un-readable.
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Pricing sucks! I have to pay $40 just because I'm in Canada? Come on... shipping to Canada can't be $15 extra! I'm affraid but you've just lost a customer.
Oh boy.... its the 'BSD is dying' troll.
Lets see:
1) facts or links to back her claims: No. But vague finger-pointing at 'special reports' from IDC, Gardner or even Netcraft. This Troll has *YET* to produce any of these reports.
2) out right lies "when you need something enterprise ready with a world-wide corporate support structure" What, BSDi is chopped liver? Last time *I* checked, they sold 24X7 support oin both hardware and software. If you have a phone line/internet connection and FedEX you are supported....if you are willing to pay.
Hey troll-girl, feel free to come back when you have facts.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
Ohhh, boy. the "*BSD is dying" troll is trying something different.
Nice try girl, but for something to go OUT of business, it has to BE a business. And NetBSD is an international collaborative effort of a large group of people, to produce a freely available and redistributable UNIX-like operating system, NetBSD.
Why don't you try some facts, troll-girl.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
Apple computer corp seems to Think Different.
Mac OS X is based on BSD, and iMacs don't rack well for back rooms. So Apple must think selling BSD based systems will be profitable.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
Oh boy. The "*BSD is dying" troll is trying something new.
Isn't it funny when a marginal magazine goes out of business
They just STARTED publishing their magazine, and the troll wants readers to believe the magazine is going out of business.
Otherwise, she is up to the same old tricks. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Yet...no proof of this. Obviously she beleives this because she has data....yet she can't be bothered to share.
She makes up data: *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. Really? Considering the number of acedemic systems running BSD on VAX hardware, VS the total number of X86/PPC/MIPS/etc machines running BSD today, that looks like a INCREASE, not a decrease.
A nice twist this time Troll-girl with the 'spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead.' line.
But, given your anti-BSD past, your unwillingness to spend 'a penny subscribing' is not suprising.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
BTW Your precious Yahoo uses Google as search engine, which runs on what OS?
I hate to point this out to you, but Yahoo used to be exclusively BSD, and Google are more than likely going to migrate over to BSD. Nearly every mature organisation I know has at some point moved from Windows to Linux and then eventually from Linux to BSD. I work in the ISP industry, and internal to that industry within the UK, Linux is a joke, BSD takes top spot every time.
Anyway, does it actually fucking matter?
In the "Open Source OS market", the BSD's have 20% marketshare.
Given there are 185+ seperate linux distros, the average marketshare is less than 1%.
1% is far less than 20%. Almost all linux distros are therefore nothing but money-pits for the VC's that are backing them, or are hobby projects.
There's more commercial installations out there based on BSD code than on Linux code.
Stop hiding behind big boys fudster
Sorry to tell ya this, but without BSD code, Linux won't work.
/usr/src/linux-2.2.12/include/linux/in_systm.h
is an example how without BSD, Linux won't work in any useful manner. Therefore, the original statement is 100% correct, because Linux uses BSD code. Programs using BSD code include BSD + Microsoft + Intel + IBM + linux is greater than linux, which uses BSD code.
If *BSD is so crappy, why does Linux use the code?
(extra bonus point question: Why was this code used w/o proper licensing? RMS/the FSF says old-style 4 clause BSD code it incompatible with the GPL, yet this code from 1993 is old enough to have had the 4 clause license...a license that can't be GPLed...yet a GPL was placed on the code in 1993, according to the version code. Not to mention the code is in PRESENT violation....clause 1 requires the 'above copywrite notice' and list of clauses. Wonder if UoC will ask all the copies of Linux to be recalled? Guess respect for a license only matters if it is the GPL eh?)
I look *SO* forward to your informed reply, linux zelot.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
According to the latest IDC survey, *BSD lost more marketshare.
This is known as lying with statistics. What the troll did not tell you (assuming his citation is even true), is that the total market is expanding. BSD is not losing customers. Quite the opposite, they are booming. Only that they are not booming as fast as other systems makes them lose marketshare. Marketshare statistics are completely meaningless in a growing market.
On the other hand, when it comes to major league scalable solutions, *BSD fares poorly.
Considering I don't have a 64 CPU system with 32 terabytes of RAM on my home system, I just don't care. But if I did I would use a REAL scalable system, like Solaris, and neither BSD or Linux.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Magazines are quite fashionable to leave around the office. They are not entertaining just for the subscriber, but also can lead to greater opportunities. A glossy magazine with flippable pages makes for a great physical medium to spread advocacy in the office. Its great leaving something in the office my boss and cow-orkers can read, kick their feet up, and ask questions about.
Could this be a sign that BSD is getting bigger in the marketplace? They've never been that big. Maybe that the merger with BSDI is finally paying off, marketingwise.
I've been using FreeBSD for about three years now. Reasons are that I find FreeBSD more 'pure' than the usual Linux distributions. Config files placement changes only sporadically, while I have the feeling that every Linux distribution puts it's config files in another place (and has the locations change rather often).
I do like the cleanlyness of the system. You have to install/enable things if you really want them. RedHat is more like a Christmas tree with all the lights on (even those you don't use or impose a security problem).
Furthermore, a lot of people are using it at my job, an ISP. We use FreeBSD on several critical servers (a.o. for news, dns). I couldn't image Linux running on those servers because of the lesser reliability and security. On the other hand my opinion is coloured because I've gotten used to FreeBSD so much.
I do like the better hardware compatibility of Linux though. FreeBSD doesn't support that much hardware. It seems like the price to pay for a first class quality operating system.
Rogier