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Sony Discusses Plans for the Playstation 3
1+1trouble writes: "Gamespot is running an article outlining some rough features of the PS3. There isn't much to be said yet, but you can certainly see where Sony is going with it. I wouldn't be surprised if they struck some kind of deal with Tivo. From the sound of it, one can hardly tell if it will be a gaming console at all." I still don't have a PS2, why am I caring about the PS3, huh? I need my Tekken Tag! Curse CowboyNeal!
Certainly any statements about Playstation 3 are for the same purpose as the initial tiny 'leaked' tid-bits of the PS2 way back when -- hype. The hype machine stole Dreamcast sales from Sega, because of those people waiting for a PS2. So Sony wants to have the hype on PS3 early so that even some people will think twice before they buy a Microsoft X-Box 2.
However I am not surprised they would start on the PS3 right away, since they have the lifetime of the PS2 to design it. It's not like the video card industry. In order to stay competitive (the release cycles are insane for video cards) companies like Nvidia and ATI are forced to sometimes have three teams working on three separate products -- the next chip, the one after that and the one after that. In order to have a release every 5-6 months or so, they don't have the luxury all the time of building on previous chips all the time. So several teams have to work concurrently to get that chip out and stay competitive.
Dudes I already got the future of gaming, it's called a PC.
... blah blah blah all the way up to N64 and PS with no problems at all and I get to download all those games for free too! Some emulators even let me play these games over a network! WOW
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YES, I've had one for years now and all I have to do is UPGRADE it every so often. Sure, upgrading costs a little more than the newest console, but I get all my games for FREE! In fact, my PC can play atari, NES, SNES, SEGA MASTER SYSTEM
Who cares if I have to use win98 to run all these games, I get my OS for free too! And when winME becomes the minimum requirements for these games, guess what, I'll upgrade my computer to that for free as well!
I sit at home and for free I can play more in-depth games with better graphics and more options, while some of my best friends are standing outside in the cold overnight to shell out a week's paycheck for the latest system that will be obsolete in a year and a half, only to find that they will have to PAY for all the games they play on it, even sometimes RENTING games!
Most of these people are even waiting for the PS2 HARD DRIVE to come out and the KEYBOARD and the MOUSE that they will have to pay tons of money for. And how much is it for that 8MB memory card? CRAZY! They are trying so hard to turn the console into a PC! These people think it's so cool that they can connect to the internet with their dreamcast when I've been doing the same with my computer for i don't know how long.
Go and shell out your cable company that extra 20 bucks a month for service and fuck it, even pay a warez site 10 bucks a month for leech access. That's 30 bucks for unlimited games dudez! Either that or go to Toys R Nutz and play your TEKKEN TAG and SSX for 40 bucks a piece with no options for adding player patches or extra levels and a limited 8MB to store your extras at.
The choice is yours but somehow I feel that you'll fuck it up.
How the fuck can you make a statement like that? Have you actually seen or played an X-box? Your opinion is based solely on Microsoft's own marketing/propaganda machine. I have nothing against Microsoft, and I would imagine that the X-box will be a strong competitor when it is released, but your opinion is utter BS. Get a clue, moron!
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should try to design some proper games for their current consoles before going any further/faster/ Many of the games currently appearing seem to be "fillers" ("Over 200 titles available!") Too bad Donkey Kong still blows away most of their titles when it comes to pure fun and playability. Nintendo (my opinion only) seems to focus a bit more on the Games-side of the GamesConsole, but it seems to me that all of the above-mentioned companies should pay a bit more attention to what makes a great game great instead of what can we sell next/ as fast as possible.
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With the PlayStation 3, Sony hopes to merge content from its other divisions, such as Sony pictures and Sony music, by establishing a direct chain of distribution and by having the PlayStation 3 serve as the platform hub. Additionally, Sony's plans for the PS3 include online shopping functions, online banking, and other interactive Internet services. Naturally, some of these functions could be introduced to the mass market with the PlayStation 2, but Sony's digital convergence plans for the PS3 seem to be on a larger scale.
Here is how i see the future of console wars: short supply of PS2s until the 2001 Xmas season leads to low PS2 sales in the US market. Sony beefs up the production to meet the Xmas projections, but by that time MS ships a bit delayed Xbox in volume. MS marketing gives the perception to US consumers that their console is the newest, the most powerful and has the most games. Majority of consoles bought during Xmas 2001 are MS Xbox. Sony and Nintendo sell mostly to niche markets resulting in huge inventory problems.
To get back on the top Sony begins to hype up PS3 as a replacement for your PCs and internet appliances. In retialation MS begins to ship internet access, home productiving and other home user software for Xbox. With a huge installed base, MS again is capable of leveraging itself into another market. What we now know as a PC becomes replaced with MS branded consoles, with MS controlling the software, components and i/o devices.
Remember when Sega said they're pretty much selling off their hardware business? And all those rumors of the sale to Nintendo? Sega probably isn't ever making another system again, no matter how much you love 'em. You can thank Sony's marketing machine for that.
Great news for you! Nintendo have made a console for GAMES, not an interactive central entertainment hub, and because of this the GameCube will be lauching cheap.
$199 is the maximum that the GameCube will launch for in the USA, with rumours (that are very likely untrue) that it might go at $149 to undercut the other two.
Any console getting Mario, Metrod, Wave Race, Star Wars and Zelda (just to name a few) all fairly close to launch will have a very strong lineup just from 1st and 2nd parties. And with the 3rd parties starting to appear and leak (Capcom and Resident Evil 0, EA with 'Sport 200x', Acclaim with Turok just to name a couple) the GameCube is on course to have the best QUALITY of games. And we all know that quality comes over quantity...
Nintendo won't win back the crown this generation; this generation will probably be a three(or two)-way tie. But with the sad lineup of PS2 games at the moment, and a probable launch delay (typical of Microsoft- they don't even have finalised dev kits to developers) from the overhyped and overrated Xbox (you have to look at this image rebutting MS fud), Nintendo should regain a large portion of marketshare this time around.
Hrmm, I think I got carried away again ;)
Anyway, these are just a few of the reasons while I'll be buying a GameCube on day 1...
shouldn't they be more concerned about getting playstation 2's out, inexpensive, and available? it's still hard to find them. that's a major problem with game consoles, and how the PC has them beat-manufacturers are always too many generations ahead in thought. screw the PS3 for now. Sony should worry about making the PS2 the console they promised it to be.
Just to be fair, Nintendo isn't so great on release dates, either. The N64 was originally slated for a 1994 release (but then had legal problems with SONY), then 1995, then 1996, then late 1996.
Nintendo is also awful with software launches because they don't pressure Miyamoto enough to hurry up and finish the games. Incidently, he may be a great game maker, but he's a lousy programmer from what I hear because he likes to focus on the smallest details very early in the development. Later these details have to be scrapped or greatly reworked.
Yes, I have heard rumors that the Gamecube will be $200 or less. If it comes at that price tag and has a good Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or whatever game to ship with it, I'm probably there.
yes, I know that in today's world, sony rules the world and what not
but no matter what I still Like nintendo ...
could the guys at slashdot please make a new ps2 topic, so for those of us who like nintendo, sega, or even atari don't have to be bothered with ps2 related matters
thank you
Haven't you seen their ads for the PS9?
They've been accepting pre-orders on the PS9 since the ad was on the drawing boards...
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Isn't the point of this announcement to try to freeze the X-Box and Nintendo's Cube? Microsoft's got the money and guts to stay in it for the long haul, and Nintendo owns its own software development and characters. And finally, where's the killer games for PS2, never mind the PS3?
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
Um. Where is the PS3 info?
In re polys.
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You can do many things with extra polys. For instance real reflections (not reflection maps) can be done by rendering the scene again from the POV of the reflecting poly. Shadow volumes can be created by a trick involving the stencil buffer, the z buffer, and a render from the POV of the light.
There will ALWAYS be a way to use the abiltiy to transform and render extra polys, no matter how many you have
The FRY's here is running a PS2 next to a Dreamcast running equivelent 3D fighting games.
The Dreamcast looks a whole lot better.
Fry's is selling a LOT of Dreamcasts.
The failure to include a low-pass filter (generally referred to as "full screen anti-aliasing") in hardware really cost Sony in market perception. Yes, it can be done in software but not without eating up a lot of system resources
Add to that the market opportunity they created for SEGA by Sony's failure to meet the market demand they created and you have, basically, a disaster.
Mu guess is that Sony has mreo or less given up on this round and is pinning their hopes on getting ahead of SEGA in the next one.
It isn't FUD. It is generally true if Nintendo, Sony, or MS says 'our next generation of consoles will be more powerful than our current generation'
If this were FUD to freeze sales of X-Box and G-Cube, it would also have the same effect on PS2; people would wait for the PS3 instead of buying PS2s!
As for the 1000x more powerful, that's debateable. If it's expected to be 5 years from now, in the same age of operation as the PSX, then it will be at least 30-50 times more powerful, if only using Moore's respective laws. If they optimize and plan carefully, they may realistically get 100-200 times more powerful, but 1000x seems a bit, well, generous.
As for vapor, it's long term planning. Lack of long term planning wouldn't bode Sony, or any corporation, well!
As for PS2 killer games? What about Sons of Liberty? Don't forget FF10!
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And they should not talk about, or plan, or even think about anything else until then. God forbid they should think about the future, or what might happen after the ps2 is in full swing. It's totally irrelevant right now.
In case you hadn't noticed. That was sarcasm. I can't stand it when people say things like that. "Shouldn't India concentrate on getting food to the poor before they start trying to put down Internet lines?" It makes no sense whatsoever. There are thousands upon thousands of people who work for Sony. They neither can nor should have them all working on the same problem at the same fucking time, moron. God, do you really think that making an announcement that they had been thinking about a ps3 will slow down the ps2 in any way whatsoever?
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I dunno; I would think the hype machine, if it were turned on, would steal as many sales away from the PS2 as it would from the Xbox and the GCube.
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Not to mention only one of those systems (Genesis) had "critical level" amount of games. Master System is arguable, though, but the CD and 32x are like a Nintendo64 without the support of Nintendo (i.e. no games to speak of).
Would that be the number of PS2's they've produced so far?
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If my experience with the PS2 is any indication (buy PS2, realize all the games suck, buy Dreamcast, achieve happiness), I should be a lot more excited about Sega's next console than Sony's. Sony may know how to hype (how the hell did they figure out how to hype the PS3 before anyone has a PS2?), but Sega figured out how to release a good console with great games. Screw the hype-- I'm going with the one I enjoy more.
A lot of these things were plan originally for the Playstation 2. It was supposed to have a hard drive built-in (now being added by a third party), ethernet and a remote for the DVD player (now being added by Sony). In addition, it was supposed to used Sony's Memory Stick, not their current memory card (Sony probably realized they needed backward compatibility with the interface to use the old Playstation games -- along with making an extra buck because people will pay anything for memory card [$30 for 128K of original Playstation memory nowadays, anyone?]).
The whole thing, in retrospect, was supposed to be a server for the home. The final product was a lot more toned down.
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Nintendo doesn't even need good hardware to stay competitive, and they proved this countless times.
NES: killed the TurboGraphix 16 before the SNES even came out and held the Genesis at bay.
SNES: held up against the Saturn and Playstation until Nintendo could release the N64. If I recall correctly, Donkey Kong Country 2 sold more units during the 1995 holiday season than all the games for these two systems combined.
N64: It's debatable this system couldn't hold up to the Playstation in the first place, but it's still around, holding its own to the Dreamcast and Playstation 2.
GameBoy: Released in 1989. Currently the only game in town (in the US, at least). Need I say more?
No one makes money on the consoles. When it gets to the point where they can, they drop the price of the console in anticipation of other vendors doing the same. Remember when the SNES and Genesis got all the way down to something like $30 - $40? Instead, all the money is in licensing and selling development tools.
As I said in a tread above, SONY made similar announcements in 1995 right after the original Playstation was released. It doesn't mean anything. It's just a cold war arms race with all the other vendors.
One of the main contributors to the development of PS3 is a committee from Iraq, who shared their opinions on what they would like to see in the next release of this powerful console. Some of the requested features include self-guiding missiles support, stronger console casing, able to withstand the rugged military life, as well as an Arabic interface.
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I hope the Xbox smacks the Playstation 2 down. I don't want the market leader focused on music and movies in their GAMING CONSOLE instead of the games. Sony is going to fuck everything up. At least Microsoft is fully committed to games.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE ANY DAMN GAMES THEMSELVES.
Try and find one game SONY made that is good. I would have said the Gameday series, but 2001 for the PS2 is a joke.
So it doesn't matter if they die and go away. All the games will just appear on other consoles, because its just third parties doing the work.
'nuff said
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I meant article.
The present PS2 can process 20 million polygons per second. One article I read said that to get complete realism (i.e. indistinguishable from film of real live things) you need 2.4 billlion polygons/sec. This would seem to imply that PS3 woud be capable of rendering scenes that were as good as film (actually, almost ten times better. Can a scene be 'better than live'? Interesting question ...). This says to me that the PS3 would have the potential of showing what would amount to movies that were completely artificially generated. Even more, completely interactive, since they'd be created on the fly. This would open up completely new areas of entertainment. Imagine telling your PS3 to replay that scene, but remove Sandra Bullock's clothing this time. Or ... well, you can imagine the possibilities.
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VAPOR will also carry 1,000 times the computational and mechanical ability of Aibo. Sporting highly powerful servomotors which Sony is currently developing, VAPOR will be able to reach peak running speeds of 120 miles per hour and maximum jumping heights of 20 feet, and be capable of a steel-like bite of over 3,000 pounds per square inch. Said one unnamed engineer assigned to the project, "It will surely strike terror into the hearts of burglars and postal workers alike."
In addition, its sleek metallic form will sport enormous computational capability, using a teraflops-scale processor which Sony is planning to begin planning very soon. Furthermore, VAPOR will utilize Autonomous Intelligence (AI) and a special hardware port to connect directly with the planned Playstation 3 to provide little children and hapless twenty-somethings without friends with formidable video game competitors.
Lastly, VAPOR will be able to connect directly to the internet and download songs released by Sony Records in its proprietary ATRAC digital music format and bark along with the lyrics to provide its owners with hours of listening pleasure.
Said Sony Corp's President and CEO, Noboyuki Idei, "We see a convergence in the home security system, attack dog, and home entertainment markets. Leveraging our unique position as a corporate juggernaut, we plan to corner this growing segment of the consumer electronics marketplace."
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The PS3 is total vapourware beyond any vapourware ever seen before in the console business. I mean the PS2 just came out! And you are critical of Microsoft for hyping their Xbox that's coming out in six months? THE PS3 PROBABLY WON'T BE RELEASED FOR SIX YEARS!! You talking heads at slashdot need to get your heads out of your asses and stop promoting your anti-Microsoft agenda AND JUST REPORT THE NEWS! You guys are worse than CNN.
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You know a system is stillborn when the company is talking about the next system a couple months after it's release.
Sony to world: "THIS time for sure! Our PlayStation 3 will be the greatest invention since the printing press... no, wait, the wheel... no, wait, FIRE! And it's been graciously bestowed upon humanity by your friends at Sony. Hey, third time's a charm, right? Right? ............. Anybody?"
A lone clump of tumbleweed rolls across the scene...
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That really isn't much of an article. Ok, so there's plans for the Playstation 3 that seem to involve it being able to do everything from downloading music to landing the space shuttle from the privacy of your own home.
Well, yeah. Of course they're going to say that. Like every other company in the world they don't want to look like they've got nothing in the pipe so they come out and announce their newest product, which isn't even really designed yet, will be able to do everything imaginable.
"Hey, don't buy the XBox, in a year or two we'll have a system that can actually categorize your porn for you! None of that tedious self-sorting."
It's nothing. There's no specs, there's no hard information, there's nothing. Not even really worth reading.
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