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Interview With Eric Allman And Kirk McKusick
Sygnus writes "An online gay youth resources community recently managed to secure an interview with Eric Allman and Kirk McKusick. The questions range from personal ("What was your motivation to raise children?") to technical ("What are your opinions of Darwin and MacOS X, which are based on your work?")."
You could look at it through the Anti-Censorware Proxy. That should help. Or, maybe it'd work to just look at it using the IP address instead of the domain name.
Do domain names matter?
Thank you C*ber P*trol!
I've known who these two people are for over ten years because of their high visibility in the free software world. This is the first time I've ever heard that they were gay, much less in a long-term relationship with each other. So, I'm not sure why you say "blatantly advertise". This was an interview that happened to be very focused on their relationship because of who was asking the questions. It certainly wasn't out-of-context.
The difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
For some reason that I still don't understand people from varius minorites tend to do very well.
.2% of the world popluation.
For Example, Linus is a Sweede from Finland, about 5% of the population of Finland are Sweeds but they tend to be much more prominent than that would indicate.
Also if you look at a list of Nobel prize winners more that 1 in 4 are Jews, despite the fact that we make up less than
There are a lot of very sucsesful Gay men and women in some fields.
Diversity is a good thing
Erlang Developer and podcaster
It's obvious you've thought about this issue a bit, and I think you still have more thinking to do. For example, you write: That having a good female mother and a good male father will get people farther along to being well-adjusted than not., yet you provide no evidence to support this statement. Why are heterosexuals more capable of raising children than homosexuals? You don't say why; you merely insist that it's probably better to be raised by straight parents.
Your argument is weak, but that doesn't stop you from concluding that gay couples should not be raising kids. Do you not realize that gay couples are raising children, right now, all over the U.S.? Are you going to use your crappy argument to argue that gay couples should be forbidden by law to adopt children? You wouldn't be the first to do so.
I, for one, will argue that the average gay male couple will make better parents than the average straight couple. Before you get all worked up over this statement, consider that gay men can not have children by accident. They have to fight anti-gay adoption agencies, anti-gay U.S. government, anti-gay foreign adoption agencies, anti-gay foreign governments, disapproval from family, disapproval from friends, and disapproval from society. My partner and I have faced all of these things. Compare this to any straight couple which can have a child by sheer accident and never have to worry about any of the hurdles that gay couples have to face.
Face it: If my partner and I want children, we have to work for it, and work for it hard. Much harder than the average straight couple will ever have to. And we do this because we want very much to have children of our own to love, raise, and turn into compassionate and responsible young men and women. And this is the experience for almost all of the gay men who wish to have children. It takes a lot of love, more than I've ever mustered for either myself or my partner.
In contrast, many straight couples can and do have children becuase the condom broke. How much love does that take?
Just some things to think about.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
1. Some admitted generalities that may have something to do with it:
2. We work with intelligent, well educated people who think outside the box.
3. We are very much in demand, and firing (or not hiring) because of someone's sexual orientation hurts the employer more than the employee.
4.We tend to live in metropolitan high-tech areas that are more progressive than rural areas.
I am gay, and as a contractor I have lots of interview experience. I often out myself during an interview, because if they have a problem with it I'd rather find out then and not later. I haven't missed a job opportunity yet because of it. Now, back in the 80's, I was fired from two jobs. Times, they are a changing'.
Why is it that if my partner and I hold hands, we're "blatantly advertising", but if a heterosexual couple holds hands, you don't think twice?
Why is it that if my partner and I kiss goodbye in front of my office, we're "blatantly advertising", but nobody even notices a het couple doing the same?
Why is it that het couples can make out in bars and get only amused looks from the other patrons, but my partner and I would risk physical violence?
Maybe it's all a matter of perspective? Maybe you see the same action when performed by a het couple vs. a gay couple as somehow different? Isn't that homophobia, albeit a subtle and relatively mild form?
Swallow that, you filthy homophobes! :)
Next time I hear someone go hard on gay people, I will remind them that some gay person is responsible for his/her e-mail delivery.
That'll teach 'em...
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I don't think gay couples should be raising kids.
I used to think this way. My reasoning was that a child should be exposed to role models of both genders. But after thinking about it I realized that having gay parents doesn't necessarily mean you don't get to have those role models.
In fact, having straight parents doesn't necessarily mean you get good role models either. And many children are raised by single parents.
I still believe that a child should spend time with a variety of people, and have role models of both genders. But I believe it is unfair to say that just because parents are gay (or single for that matter) that they will not raise a child properly. I don't think there is a correlation.
There are many religions in the world. The dominant ones are the ones that have historically been the most brutal, and the ones with the most viral marketing mechanisms, such as sending missionaries around the world to destroy native cultures wherever they may be found. Christianity, of course, is number one amongst these.
If you claim that your particular interpretations of your god's commandments are the only correct ones, you are guilty of incredible hubris even within your own religion. You should consider the effect that might have on your alleged immortal soul.
For the record, I don't do drugs, am not pagan or gay. You might judge me as irreverent, but what I really am is sick of the hypocrisy of those who use religion as a weapon against everything they happen not to like or be comfortable with. The things you're not comfortable with may make you sad to be a programmer, but your attitude makes me sad to be a human being.
Many thanks for posting this, Slashdot!
Hey, I've got nothing against straight people, as long as they act gay in public.
From Eric Allman: /. story.
I got a counselor who said "as long as you hang out with straight men, you'll be falling in love with straight men -- go to the Berkeley Gay Mens' Raps.
This does NOT mean that gay men with straight friends will fall in love with them. I know it reads that way on first glance, but I'm sure that's not what Eric meant. Rather, it means that if you are exclusively surrounding yourself with straight men, you'll fall in love with one because you won't have any other emotional outlet.
As a practicing homosexual, I can assure you that I don't get attatched to straight boys - in fact, I'm more often attracted to somewhat butch lesbians than I am to straight boys.
Other than that, it was a great article, and I'm delighted to see two such impressive gay role models in a front page
--Shoeboy
Alan Turing, one of the founders of computer science; The Stanford guy who wrote the prototype for XWindows and Motif; The founder of one of two top desktop publishing companies and so on ...
A recent demographic study found a very high
correlation of gay meccas with high tech centers.
Is this not really true? Or something "in the air" in central California that puts a San Francisco and Silicon Valley next to each other?
Some about the gay male mind that makes sense of digitals patterns more easily?
This isn't going to play well here, but I'm going to say it anyway:
I don't think gay couples should be raising kids.
(Hold on there, cowboy, before you pull out the guns, wait until the end of the post to shoot, thanks).
This isn't out of sheer 'homophobia' -- though I do believe that homosexual behavior is inherently harmful to the individuals involved. But most people probably don't decide their orientation based on how the authority figures in their life told 'em they oughta (behavior, maybe, but probably not orientation).
Nor do I think that homosexuality strictly means promiscuity anymore than heterosexuality means stable monogamy.
Nope, I'm just a person who thinks that perhaps the male-female pair/combo might contribute something significant to breeding, raising, and socializing a new human being BEYOND just the necessary exchange of complementary material. That having a good female mother and a good male father will get people farther along to being well-adjusted than not.
And please: I'm willing to concede that homosexual couples can be stable and caring --- so don't bring up the "better them than the abusive/f*d up straight people." Yes, that's true: much better for a kid to be raised outside of the traditional/natural model than abused. But I think it's strange that whenever I talk about this, stable gay couples get compared to straight people who make Elizabeth Taylor look monogamous. Stable, good straight couples looking to adopt DO exist. My parents -- not always the best role models for a relationship -- did a decent job. Many of my friends were luckier. All things being equal, it's probably better to be raised by straight parents.
Flame away.
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"When you stare at a pretty woman (I'm assuming you're a straight guy) you're advertising that you're straight."
Most likely. Not necessarily, though. There are more reasons to stare at a woman than wanting to jump her.
"When you file for a wedding license you're telling your local govt that you're straight."
Not around here. They're fighting hard for--and winning--the right for gay couples to legally marry.
"When you wear a wedding ring in public, you're advertising that you're straight."
Utter nonsense! With a wedding ring, you're advertising nothing more than the fact that you're married--in your own heart and mind. I know of a bunch of gay couples that wear each other's rings. In fact, most of my gay friends do. Hmmm, must mean we're all getting old and settling down. :-)
At any rate, these points (even if they were true, which they're not) do not address the original poster's point. Wearing a ring is not the same as parading down a street, carrying a sign. Holding hands is not the same as starting every post to a technical forum with, "as a monogamous gay man..." Yes, I've seen it, although thankfully not on /.
The point is that while I don't hide my sexuality, and don't think that anyone should have to, I also don't push my sexuality as an issue on every topic I discuss. I strongly suspect (can't assume for sure) that the original poster is annoyed by these people, rather than all gays. As a point of fact, it's not just gays that suffer this failing. There are leather fetishists who push their agenda just as hard in just as inappropriate places, and even straight vanilla types who do the same. Usually they're the redneck jerks or the nymphomaniacs who come to work and tell you all about the great sex they had last night.
The point is that I don't give a rat's ass about whether you're gay or not. If you are (and again, if you're not), then introduce me to your partner. Don't presume that it's crucial to your abilities and insights as a computer geek (my field--this is presuming you'd be a coworker), and has to be hammered home at every possible juncture.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban