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Kafka vs. Orwell: Metaphors About Electronic Privacy

Eric_Grimm writes "Carl Kaplan of the New York Times has done an interesting story on a draft law review article (click the "download paper" icon for a PDF version) relating to the metaphors that should be employed to assist legislators in understanding the personal data protection or "electronic privacy" debate currently raging in Congress and state legislatures. Both Kaplan's story and the law review article are well worth a read."

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  1. Obligatory no-login link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2
  2. Used to be... by sconeu · · Score: 3
    It used to be that "On the net, nobody knows you're a dog."


    Now, not only do they know that you're a dog, but they know what breed you are, what kind of dog food you eat, and what brand of chew toys you like.


    I guess that's what they call progress nowadays.

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    General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
  3. Kafka vs Big Brother by Alien54 · · Score: 2
    I cannot say that I completely agree with the premise of Kafka as a better symbol for the problems of privacy compared to Big Brother. I think that both models have flaws.

    Personally, I would think maybe something like "Brazil" would be better, but it has been so long since I have seen the movie. As I recall, the movie is so wild that it might be utterly incomprehensible to the very lawyers that we would want to educate.

    So I wonder what would be a better illustration. Maybe something by one of the existentialists?

    gack, it is late, and my mind has turned to mush.

    --
    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
    1. Re:Kafka vs Big Brother by DoorFrame · · Score: 3

      Brazil.

      Good reference.

      Brazil is a twisted world so full of bureaucracy and fear that nothing ever gets accomplished. The only person who understands how things works and to fix things is a renegad plumber (he'd be a hacker today) who travels by darkness in a dark suit stealing orders from the official state plumbing agency... or some such.

      It's twisted and strange, but i don't really see it as a good example of why we need electronic privacy. That movie was more about the idiocy of being a faceless number or file in the system then it was about the system taking more from you than it ought to have.

      Both Orwell and Kafka are much better examples, but Brazil is certainly the best movie (the 1984 movie was no good, I've never seen a Kafka film).

    2. Re:Kafka vs Big Brother by fatmantis · · Score: 2

      the fundamental symbolism found in the film 'Brazil' is a metaphor for furtive masterbation as an adolescent and the associated guilt that carries with an adult as they live out their years as slaves to their "family", so you may just be on to something here...

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    3. Re:Kafka vs Big Brother by faster · · Score: 2

      'Brazil' was Terry Gilliam's interpretation of '1984'. So it may have been a better story than '1984', but as a metaphor, it's pretty much identical.

      'The Trial' has been made into a movie, and it was really well done. It has all the frustration of 'Brazil', but it's a low-budget B&W film, so the 'action' scenes aren't quite so exciting.

  4. metaphors... by lance_link · · Score: 2
    ...are very nice but, by definition, they are a way of presenting the new in terms of the old. i do NOT believe that 'the net' automagically transforms everything, because it doesn't: it too, by definition, exists within a preestablished social context. both fortunately and unfortunately, one aspect of that context is the legacy of modernism, which tends to trumpet everything as new and revolutionary. obviously, not everything is. but, maybe less obviously, aspects of many, many things are new and revolutionary. the difficulty lies in figuring out which aspects are, and how, and why.

    privacy is a particularly complex issue. as i try to teach my students, it's a subject we only began to talk about when it began to disappear. as such, it's a name for a thing that doesn't exist -- or the wrong name for something new that does now exist. the trick comes in specifying what exactly that thing is and is not -- and, in that regard, i think it's reasonable to say that metaphors are ultimately counterproductive, because they try to describe something new in terms of the old.

    but eric grimm is a very, very thoughtful person, and i hope that these remarks might serve to build on what he has written, rather than to tear it down.

  5. The danger of metaphors by PhatKat · · Score: 4

    This is an interesting article, but the question I have after reading it is this: why use a metaphor at all?

    I remember hearing about a study in one of my political science classes where a number of students were given a problem that involved a country that was a threat to the United States because it had interests in spreading its boarders. There were two sets of students dealing with the same problem. The only difference between the two sets was that one set had a problem that used names that sounded similar to the names of Cities and politicians involved in Cuba in the 1960's and the other related to the Cities and politicians that were related to Nuremburg in the early 1940's. You can probably guess how it turned out but suffice to say, the students saw the connections--whether consciously or not--and settled on a plan of attack that would defend against either the Cuban Missile Crisis or the Nazi regime.

    The point I'm trying to make is using metaphors to explain complex situations will always imply facts that are not necessarily true when carried from one situation to the next, and their use is, for the most part, inherently misleading. This situation needs to be looked at as an example of its own, as it surely will be when it is used as a metaphor for the next paradigm shift 40 years from now.

    -- PhatKat

    1. Re:The danger of metaphors by pubudu · · Score: 4
      One thing I noticed about both PhatKat and lance links's comments is that they question the use of metaphor in discussing politics. A good portion of Solove's paper was the use of metaphor in politics: precisely because you can influence the decisions people make by posing the question in a certain way, you must give extra consideration to which metaphor you use.

      I don't think Solove was saying that Kafka presents a more accurate depiction of the problems regarding online privacy. Instead, the bulk of his paper suggests that the dehumanized and -izing collection of perfectly innocuous data, which is then acted upon in a dehumanized/-izing manner, is a greater threat than turning all of Batman's toys over to the government. Yet most lawmakers are concerned only with the latter; Solove suggests that they are concerned with this aspect only because they are fighting against Big Brother. Change the metaphor they think of and change the action you get from them.

      Solove suggests using Kafka as a metaphor rather than Orwell. This is not because he thinks that Kafka has better descriptive power, that the internet can actually be summed up in that metaphor, but because he thinks he will get a certain reaction out of the various legislatures if the question is posed in these terms. Narrative as a tool to induce behavior, rather than as a method for gaining understanding. Basically, he's working from postmodernist assumptions regarding the place of metaphor in discourse, but his paper is not nearly as unintentionally (or perhaps intentionally) dada-esque in its prose style.

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      under-paid karma whore

  6. You can't get away from them... by Interrobang · · Score: 2

    Ever read Mark Turner's The Literary Mind? Run, don't walk, find a copy, struggle through it, and then come back and reread what you just wrote.

    There's a big difference between metaphors and parallelisms (in a literary sense), whether or not those parallelisms are being done with direct metaphors, or similes, catachresis, whatever. A lot of metaphors you simply cannot and should not get away from (see Ortony as well). Your example doesn't wash, because what you're describing is a parallelism, not a metaphor. My handy Holman and Harmon Handbook To Literature says that a metaphor is "an analogy identifying one object with another and ascribing to the first object one or more qualities of the second." Metaphors therefore don't necessarily "imply facts that are not necessarily true when carried from one situation to the next," because with many metaphors, there's simply not enough area of congruency to make workable more points of comparison than the stated or obvious. Many metaphors (such as "the leg of a table" or "the keystone of an argument") don't imply much in the way of facts at all, really. And metaphors are not necessarily "inherently misleading," because, if you know anything about metaphors, you know that you just can't get away from them. Even the term "misleading" is, dare I say, a metaphor. Only bad metaphors are misleading (and then not always), and that's exactly what the paper is trying to correct.

    Metaphors do provide a useful and necessary way for human beings to assimilate information -- mainly by symbolically linking the unknown to the known. Therefore we can shorten the learning curve for those not "in the know" about these complex issues (like computer privacy, reverse engineering, encryption, etc.). Considering that these people are going to be making the rules that will affect all of our future internet dealings, don't you think it's fair, and even right, to give them as much of a leg up as they need?

    (Sigh...shouldn't've gotten started...)

    Interrobang

  7. I like metaphors. by DoorFrame · · Score: 5

    But how is it possible to live in a world without metaphors?

    Ok, sure, metaphors simplify the situation. I'm sure that everybody who reads the New York Times (and most of the people who read slashdot minus the Natalie Portman/grits/Goatsex contingent) is a fairly intelligent person. With that it mind, even the extremely intelligent will not be able to fully grasp and articulate all the intricasies of the privacy battle today. The situation is simply too complex and too fluid in order to explain coherantly. Would you really want someone to go through a forty five minutes introductory speech everytime someone wanted to discuss a point of privacy? Of course not.

    This is why we have metaphors. We use them as a cognative shortcut. We can't possible go through the world and understand everything about so in order to allow ourselves to have any opinion at all about most things we accept and utilize these metaphors. To most people (at least most people who read Slashdot and the New York Times) saying the phrase "Big Brother" is not simply referencing a metaphor. We instantly begin to reference everything we know about Big Brother, 1984, Winston Smith, George Orwell, fascism, totalitarianism, distopias and everything else. We combine it into a single phrase: "Big Brother" but it's really just a very large collections of concept from a fictional world that are combined with our experiences in the real world in order to make sense of everything.

    Eh, whatever, I like metaphors.

    1. Re:I like metaphors. by PhatKat · · Score: 2

      I see your point. I guess what I was trying to get at was this: if you're trying to figure out what's actually going on, simply replacing one metaphor with another isn't enough. You need to stop and consider what other affects a metaphor is having. Is your metaphor implying additional similarities beyond the one that is obvious both to the writer and the reader? If so, have you taken that into account and tried to dispell the myth that those additional similarities have the same validity of the first one?

      I don't really expect to do away with metaphors. I agree with you, they really are useful. But of the 4 choices, (unconscious incompitence, conscious incompitence, conscious compitence, and unconscious compitence) I'd take the second over the first. You need to recognize when an argument may be misleading to you or you're probably getting your head messed with in the worst way.

  8. The cynical response. by Apuleius · · Score: 3

    It doesn't matter whether we use Kafka
    or Orwell to explain these issues to
    the general public, when Joe Sixpack
    hasn't read either of them.

    I hope I'm wrong.

    1. Re:The cynical response. by BeanThere · · Score: 2

      I've read 1984 (and animal farm) and I wasn't even *aware* there was a 1984 movie. Of course, I'm not exactly Joe Sixpack.

  9. obscure by stigmatic · · Score: 4


    Privacy concerns, and governments addresses over these concerns, are like water and oil. Current events should point out the true factors when thinking about these two, although many never take the time to delve deeper into the situation, often overlooking many important factors that would normally be an outrage after the occurance, but seldom questioned until it is too late.

    Politicians are often older people who will never utilize computers in the same fashions as us, and often do not understand what is going on. Law enforcement often uses scare tactics by injecting some outrageous scenarios into the minds of these politicians using cryptic terms themselves in hoping these politicians will pass these laws without incident, which will benefit law enforcement, and cripple the people.

    Breakdown of questionable issues:

    HR46 was an attempt to sneak a fast one.

    Carnivore was used dozens of times and the FBI claims it was mostly on hackers. Note: Its been found that the Carnivore snoops everything on a segment what about your traffic? Were you on that network, was your traffic snooped?

    makes me wonder...

    FBI claims Castro is a hacker. In a country where they have close to nothing, do you really believe Cuba is a threat to the US, or is this just an attempt to step on Cuba when their down?

    Bin Laden using technology to hide activities. Note: this isn't new news and judging from experiences in history, we've always needed an enemy for the sake of remaining a super power by enforcing authority. So if Osama is such a huge threat why isn't he stopped cold? Because the government can't or because they don't want to for the purpose of having an enemy?

    Take a quick look at some of the stuff posted by Louis Tenet this week and do some rational thinking about how situations arise which can be handled by government, but are often purposely misconstrued for the sake of promoting other hidden agendas. Government will try to take as much privacy away as they can, any government so don't be fooled.

    And it goes on and on with no end in site.

    shhh... the world is out to get me

    --
    "When I was a Buddhist, it drove my parents and friends crazy, but when I am buddha, nobody is upset at all"
  10. Yawn yawn yawn. by micromoog · · Score: 2
    So Kafka may make a better analogue to today's privacy problems than Orwell. Who cares, besides the highly educated in literature?

    The media uses Big Brother as a metaphor because Joe Public recognizes the reference, period. Many (most) of the New York Times readers have not read 1984, and many probably do not even know where the reference comes from, but almost all will understand the reference to mean a watchful central authority. This may be in part to a moderately successful "reality TV" program we're all too familiar with, but regardless, it's effective.

    If 95% of people understand the phrase "Big Brother tactics", and 1% appreciate the more profound "like K's trial", it's better to use the Orwell reference. It will have a more powerful effect, even if not quite as accurate.

  11. The letter I sent to Kaplan by seichert · · Score: 2

    Dear Carl S. Kaplan,
    I read your Times article online. Thank you for taking the time
    to bring to light Professor Solove's work. I look forward to his
    final draft.

    I am very concerned about privacy myself, not just online but
    offline as well. Solove's conclusion calls for government
    regulation to address our society's privacy concerns. I believe
    the exact opposite would be more beneficial. If the federal,
    state, and local governments would stop requiring me to use my
    social security number for nearly everything I do, I feel I could
    protect my privacy quite easily.

    The government does not want privacy. How could they? True
    privacy would mean not reporting my financial activities to the
    IRS. True privacy would allow me to obtain a driver's license in
    California without having to give a thumbprint. True privacy
    would allow me to buy a firearm without a background check.
    Why would the government want this? Privacy will only decrease
    the amount of power and control they have in society.


    Stuart Eichert

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    Stuart Eichert

  12. Re:Vindicated at last (and thanks Neil Randall)! by BeanThere · · Score: 2

    The problem with computing metaphors is that by teaching abstractions of techonologies rather than teaching people how those technologies work circumvents user education of how a system really works. This isn't a problem in itself if the metaphors are good ones, but its been my experience that more often that not the metaphors chosen are rather bad. Mainstream media, in particular, tends to come up with really lousy metaphors. This can be very dangerous, particularly for liberties, as it can leave many people with a very distorted view of technologies such as encryption, surveillance, hacking/cracking etc. This is only made worse by the fact that mainstream media, in order to get more readers, often adopts the 'scarepiece' approach and intentionally presents a distorted, sensationalist view of a technology. Also, the FBI very often deliberately presents twisted metaphors designed to scare people and convince the public and lawmakers that they need more snooping rights etc. I wish I could think of some good examples right now.

    The only true solution is proper user education of how systems work - then nobody can be manipulated by the presentation of incorrect facts through cleverly chosen unsuitable metaphors. I don't know if this is realistic though, unless you want to send thousands of lawyers, judges, politicians, journalists etc on extensive computer courses.

  13. economics and choice by bcrowell · · Score: 2
    I agree with you that it's simplistic just to say we need legislation, but "Live with it and quit whining?" That seems like an oversimplification too.

    There are obviously some legal problems with forbidding web sites from collecting data that users voluntarily give them. Slashdot has my e-mail address, which I gave them voluntarily. The only difference between them and Amazon.com is that I personally consider Slashdot to be more trustworthy. I don't see how legislation could allow me to give my info to Slashdot, but protect me against Amazon's stated willingness to sell my information if they go bankrupt or are acquired. I just made a mistake by sharing my information with Amazon. I should have read their privacy policy and stayed away.

    But leaving it up to personal choice isn't the whole solution. For instance, every supermarket in my area has a program where they keep track of what you buy. If you don't participate in the program, they charge you higher prices. Here there's a problem with lack of choice.

    Another issue is that often you don't know what information is being collected about you. For example, there are the infamous "web bugs," invisible 1x1 images that tell somebody what pages you've been surfing or whether you opened their spam. This issue is exactly what The Trial is about. Again, there's no real choice for most people. I'm among the tiny percentage of the population that's sophisticated enough to turn off images and html in my e-mail program, but I haven't bothered looking into ways to avoid hitting web bugs inadvertently when I websurf. And most people simply don't have the time or expertise to keep up to date with how to protect themselves against this kind of stuff.

    Legislation might be part of the solution. A more important part of the solution might be create an internet infrastructure that is technologically privacy-friendly. An example of this is the way browsers let you look at cookies and reject them if you want to; not a very successful example, but this is the kind of thing that needs to be worked on. Another thing is that there are still many web sites out there that ask for your personal information, but don't have any posted privacy policy -- we should all exert pressure on them to improve their practices.


    The Assayer - free-information book reviews

  14. Re:Privacy is important... by sjames · · Score: 2

    but Kafka & Orwell are not even close to the horizon. I know that every author and his mother loves to write stories about privacy that use the line "Big Brother is Watching!" But the images that Kafka and Orwell portray are much more systemic and detailed than the "invasion of privacy" that internet monitoring causes.

    Perhaps on the net, but the time to prevent it is before it gets here!

    In other areas it's closer. You get denied for a loan. Why? you might ask. Because of some information out there about you. They won't tell you which piece of information. You can't think of what it might be.

    It has come out that in some cases, the critical piece of information is the number of times your information has been looked up recently.

    Your auto insurance went up. same questions. Did they get bogus information about a (non-existant) moving violation? Good question.

    There are many situations where some information about us (correct or not) is used to our detriment, and we don't even have the legal right to know what information that is.

    On several occasions, I have had a check declined (with plenty of money in my account to cover it). In both cases, I found out that the problem was a downed network so that they couldn't check with my bank. It took several hours and a good bit of social engineering to get that information. Their 'official' position, the one I could painlessly get w/o social engineering was that they could neither confirm or deny that there was an issue with my check or credit rating or wheather or not my check should be accepted if I try again.

  15. IBM and the Nazis by Alien54 · · Score: 2
    The issue in _Brazil_ wasn't privacy, it was bureaucracy. The government has no idea who you are, doesn't care, and doesn't need to care. This is unrelated to privacy. _The Trial_ may be the best example of the three, but _1984_ is surely the most accessible.

    There is a fascinating article on the Register about how IBM helped out the Nazis during WWII. All of that data processing capability IBM sold to them allowed the Nazis to be far mor efficient in implementing their "final solution." Granted, it was "only" punch card technology, but it still helped them tremendously.

    This is the marriage of bureaucracy and privacy concerns.

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    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"