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Wichert Akkerman, Last Interview as Debian Project Leader

Denial writes "Wichert Akkerman, the outgoing Debian Project Leader, has been interviewed on DebianPlanet. After two terms as the leader of the debian project, Wichert has decided to call it quits. He talks about how the election for a leader works, his plans for the future (VA Linux) and about the future of Debian. Interesting stuff."

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  1. Re:The beginning of the end for Debian by kju · · Score: 3

    Excuse me, but the american president was too already *on* *the* *way* out of his job before a new one was named. This is the usual way in the past and in the future.

    Wichert will be debian leader until the new one is elected, so where is your problem? The transition period is always a problem in fields where people are elected.

    And regarding non-free: What have you smoked? For the first there are debian maintainers who do package non-free software for use with debian. If you miss a software, just contact a friendly debian maintainer or post it on the list. Probably someone will help you. Some of the most popular non-free software is included within debian for years.

    Of course debian can not package all software, but that holds true for free software as well. Debian currently has thousands of packages and its getting harder to keep the control.

    If you like debian, ask the authors of said programs which are not included to build debian packages. Show your support for debian and demand such packages! Or if the software is important enough: Again: ask a debian maintainer or post to the appropiate debian lists. There are defined ways for requesting a package!

    And whats about commercial software, debian can not package most of them regarding to license issues. But, hey, if you are paying for the software, its your right as a customer to demand a debian package from the manufacturer.

    Show the world that debian is a highly demanded linux distribution, and the world will give you the packages. But DO something instead of whining and FUD.

  2. Re:The beginning of the end for Debian by Jules+Bean · · Score: 3

    Do you think so? I'm unconvinced. In fact, I'm not sure if the proportion of non-free software on Linux has even gone up over the last (say) two years. I think probably it's gone down, with a huge number of new open source projects getting close to full functionality, and some prominent non-free projects going free (mysql, netscape, staroffice==openoffice).

    Speaking for me personally, the only non-free on my machine is netscape and a couple of games. I still hope that mozilla will one day soon be a usable as netscape (and I've also just installed konqueror, which looks nice).

    Heck, even quake is free and will be moving to debian's main archive soon.

    I don't think the lack of official support for non-free is too much of an issue for potential Debian users: apt still installs non-free, and people still sell non-free CDs. I think a bigger issue will be that debian's usability advantages (apt, consistent configuration handling) will be adopted by the other distributions. Not that I mind, of course... everybody wins when things get better.

    In terms of debian's leadership, several strong candidates have already put themselves forwards (you should be able to see the nominations at the list archives). I think this coming year will be good for Debian (first release with a fully usable KDE as well as GNOME desktop, for one thing) as well as for the free software community in general.

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  3. Re:The beginning of the end for Debian by SquadBoy · · Score: 3

    0. Nice old style troll.
    1. Debian does *not* refuse to include non-free software it goes in non-free you then choose to use non-free or not when you install (and can of course always change this choice by editing one text file after the fact) If you don't know what non-free means in that context odds are you are not going to get Debian up and running without the help of someone who does.
    2. Debian is not about getting users. It is about a good solid easy to maintain stable distro that is good for the people who use it. For the most part the people who maintain Debian do so for the same reason a butcher sharpens his knives. If you don't understand think about it for a minute.
    3. Get a sense of humor. That was a *funny* line.

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  4. Re:No power to the guy at the top? by davejhiggins · · Score: 3

    Lol... we must seek out the real Leader of the Debian Project... who must by definition be the man who would least want to do it... indeed, one who refuses to even believe that Debian exists.

    Bill Gates? ;)

    Dave

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  5. No power to the guy at the top? by davejhiggins · · Score: 3

    I was interested reading the "...in reality most of it is delegated to others..." and "..the only real decisions you get to make directly if I remember correctly is appointing delegates." bits. From reading it it sounds as if Debian is an example of a project being successfully maintained "by a committee" and not under the ultimate control of one guy. Compared to, say, the linux kernel where Linus gets the final say on what goes in and Slashdot, where presumably Taco gets the last word on everything.

    Do people agree? Is this really proof that there are other successful formulas besides the "one amazing guy" one, or do those on the inside think that the Debian project would be more streamlined / fast-moving if it was controlled by one person more than a committee? (Or am I just talking crap as usual;) ?

    Dave

    1. Re:No power to the guy at the top? by Jules+Bean · · Score: 5

      Yes, you're right, it is interesting. How Debian continues to function is a constant source of amazement to me, but it does nonetheless...

      More or less, Debian functions by consensus, and small areas of local authority. So, just as Linux has the absolute last word about the kernel, each debian developer has the last word about his particular package. In principle, the developers en masse or the project leader can overrule a developer but this very, very, very rarely happens. I can't recall a specific instance at all.

      In general, discussions carried out on the mailing list suffice to convince people amicably.

      I find the most interesting phenomenon the way my trust (and presumably other peoples') of particular email addresses builds over the months. When I keep seeing a particular email address giving well reasoned arguments, I start to trust that person to understand complex issues, and simply take their word on things I may not have time to investigate fully.

      So no, it's not committee as such. More community (oops.. that word will get me in trouble!)

      Jules

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  6. Re:Debian: the future is commercial? by herk · · Score: 3
    Why must we commercialize every form of Linux? I've used Debian for some time now, and found it vastly superior to any commercial flavor I'd worked with previously. Debian represents a viable alternative for Linux users who don't require a fancy install procedure or commercial support, but prefer to have more power and control. There's no reason to cater to people who can't handle technical details, that market's already taken care of.

    Personally I'd rather have my distribution maintained by people doing it because they love it, rather than because someone's paying them too.

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  7. Re:My take on Debian by Jules+Bean · · Score: 5

    No, of course not. People jumping on the Linux bandwagon typically want a supported solution, and Debian doesn't offer a supported solution; that's not our business. Some companies do offer supported solutions based on Debian (for example, VA and Progeny) but I'm quite aware that RedHat has most of that share; if you're recommending Mandrake to your clients, fair enough.

    There's room out there for more than one distro with different aims and objectives.

    When I work as a consultant (and I certainly wouldn't call myself top-flight) I recommend Debian; that's for much more down-to-earth reasons like usability, upgradability and maintainability. But my clients typically self-support, so they're not interested in paying for support licenses; that's not the right decision for every company, but it is for some.

    It's a very unusual member of the corporate world who knows enough about Linux to formulate a thought like 'if the Debian team had their way, Linux would still be booting off a floppy'! Certainly such an idea has never remotely been a Debian goal; Debian's goals relate to free software, certainly not to limited usability.

    Finally, why should we budge about our ideology? Debian is about its ideology. Other distributions may be about other things, and that's all well and good. RMS believes, and I think he may be right (and many, but certainly not all, debian developers agree with me) that free software's inherent advantages make it the best solution. Time will, presumably, show whether we were right.

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