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Preview Of Linux 2.5

mojo-raisin writes: "Linux Weekly News is providing a report of the 'Linux 2.5 Kernel Summit,' a gathering of 65 core kernel hackers. Notes are provided on the first day of session, which covers changes required to make Linux more capable on high-performance machines and more user-friendly with hot pluggable devices." 2.5 looks close on the horizon, especially now that Linus has donned a funny paper hat. Better get your feature requests in soon;)

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  1. Great target... by Bandman · · Score: 4

    Picture this...
    The kernel hacker summit begins, with a beautiful starlit night (hackers would never be caught hacking in bright sunlight). Hackers are absorbing caffiene, discussing better ways to manage memory, more efficient uses for resources and so forth...
    Fade to Redmond. [Wide shot of the Microsoft campus] Lightning bolts, thunder and rain abound. Bill Gates is on his throne, stroaking his Evil Goatee(tm). As he pets his cat, he mutters..."Yes, this is my chance..." With a quick decisive action, he calls up his satelite targeting system...aims it at the hacker conference...presses the button, and *BLAM* Blue Screen of Death. Just at that time, our heroes stumble into the room. Scoobie Doo rolls into Bill Gates, knocking him down, and he's pinned under Scooby. "Curses!!!", Bill cries. Fred and Daphne walk up to Bill, and pull off his mask. It's Old Mr. Withers, the curator at the local museum! "I had a good scam going, and I would have got away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids, and that mangy mutt!"

  2. Kernel Desktop by idcmp · · Score: 4

    How about getting ACPI working?

    How about improving "apm -s" so I don't need to manually unload my cs sound driver (and first kill xmms which constantly reopens /dev/mixer causing it to get reloaded?).

    How about improving boot up time? Including the bootup logo patch?

    How about getting DMA mode working on all the IDE controllers out there and having them intelligently configure themselves (I've lost more than one disk to hdparm tweaking).

    How about making my mp3's not get choppy when my system starts swapping? (short of needing to apply rtlinux patches and nice --19'ing mpg123).
    (DMA overruns too!)

    How about including a kflushd that's smart about laptops?

    How about cleaning up the documentation for proc.txt, with some examples of what humans could set things to.

    How about splitting scsi, ham radio support, pcmcia, architectures, etc, etc into seperate tarballs so I don't need to download them all, or watch make depend go through them all?

    I can't imagine that the same schedule() used to handle Apache and Oracle would do the same job as running GNOME..

    Why not try ditching LILO for GRUB?

  3. Have you been reading the mailing list? by Carnage4Life · · Score: 4

    Please tell me that linux isn't going to adopt the idea of having a "core" team like the BSD's do ... the only thing that will happen is that the kernel will be something that only the l33tist will be able to work on ...

    This has been the case for quite some time. I remember reading complaints by many would be contributors that Linux kernel development may as well be closed since it has now become so complex only a few people are able to contribute anything meaningful to it. Also Linus is notorious for not accepting patches that people have worked hard on for a variety of reasons that sometimes smack of petulence.

    Anyway, exactly how do you expect the future roadmap of for the Linux kernel to be handled if not by disussions by the people who are contributing about 90% of the code? Heck just a few years ago it was done by one person, Linus, despite the number of patches that were received by the "open Source" community. It's one thing for patches and bug fixes to be handled in a bazaar manner where discussion is done via a mailing list but on the other hand when dealing with the design of the system architecture or "vision for the future" this is best done by as few people as possible. Design by committee is always bad.

    Heck even Perl which has probably as many contributors as Linux gone a similar route with a fewer number of developers directing the future of the project.

  4. Slight *major* problem by phoxix · · Score: 4
    One of the coolest things about the linux kernel is how *ANYONE* can write code for some hard ware and whatnot ...

    This alone made linux great because it was a community effort to get the kernel rolling into a quality piece of code

    However this "meeting" makes your wonder if this is a community project anymore, there are hundreds of kernel hackers out there, who have in some way contributed code to the kernel

    however only 65 get to attend this meeting ..

    Please tell me that linux isn't going to adopt the idea of having a "core" team like the BSD's do ...
    the only thing that will happen is that the kernel will be something that only the l33tist will be able to work on ...

    additionally forking the kernel code just so that the community can work on the code as opposed to a "core" team is even more stupid ... there go whatever standards the linux kernel had ... get what I mean?

    just my 2 cents ...

    Sunny Dubey

    1. Re:Slight *major* problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

      that's right...i have been learning visual basic now for about a month, and have been learning some 'advanced' topics, like modal dialog boxes and the menu editor by readind the linux source code. while there doesn't seem to be too much GUI code in the kernel so far, i'm sure that will change in the future. when it does, a VB guru like myself will be an invaluable addition to the kernel team. it's unfair to limit participation to only 65 developers!!! even beginners like myself can add something. for instance, all that talk of 'spinlocks'...well...i learned about a new VB control today, the 'spinner box'. you just drag it onto your form and it works!!! i'm sure if linus knew of this control, he could just drag it into the kernel source and get that 'spinlock' stuff he was talking about.

    2. Re:Slight *major* problem by tao · · Score: 5

      Sure, everyone can contribute anything to the kernel. But this summit wasn't for those who regularly submit drivers/documentation fixes etc., however important they are. This meeting is for people who design the subsystems, API:s and other core-parts; the very intestinals. I like to think of myself as having contributed to quite some things in the kernel; bugfixes, documentation, the driver-management system for the MCA-subsystem and what not. I also maintain the v2.0.xx-kernel series.

      However, I do not feel the least bit slighted by not being invited to the summit. Why? Because I wouldn't have done a lot of good there anyway. I'm not really the kind of visionary (and more importantly, the great OS-theory scholar) that are needed in such a meeting. I'm a codeslave. I munch C for breakfast, and I'm proud of it. I write manualpages for lunch, and I'm proud of it. I fix typos for dinner, and I'm proud of it. But hacking up a new scheduler or an OOM-killer? Merely the thought gives me a headache. I'd rather search for memory-leaks or possible deadlocks.

  5. Controller on fire by Tony+Shepps · · Score: 5
    "If an I/O operation fails, the kernel has no way of knowing if the disk simply has a bad sector, or if the controller is on fire."

    Isn't detecting CPU and internal system temperature already done at the BIOS level? It shouldn't be hard to implement here; just test the temperature levels every time a disk operation fails. But maybe the rest of the room is on fire! But we'll save space in the bad block table once the system is restored.

  6. It's not just Oracle. by volsung · · Score: 5

    If you read further down the article, you'll see that Stephen Tweedie, a well-established kernel hacker, read his laundry list of changes, many of which mirrored the Oracle suggestions. Oracle is just pointing out what limits the performance of their file-intensive applications, limitations that other kernel hackers who care about file performance also observed.

  7. Re:Oracle submits a laundry list of changes? by Cardinal+Biggles · · Score: 5
    A tad overbearing of them, eh? I'm wondering what sort of resource support they will be pledging to see these enhancements made in a timely fashion, and what sort of strings will we attached, if any.

    I don't think you should see this as Oracle demanding stuff from Linux hackers. I think it is very useful that developers of high-performance application software, such as Oracle, are giving this kind of feedback on kernel performance issues.

    Kernel hackers can use this for our (the users) good, not just Oracle's.