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Gnome 1.4 "Tranquility" Released
Roanld Bultje writes: "According to this article on LinuxToday, Gnome 1.4 has just been released! Gnome and all other required packages can be downloaded from Gnome's FTP or a mirror. Medusa seems to have been removed from the final release due to some bugs that were found recently. Let's hope that this new release puts Gnome next to KDE's 2.x-version." Download.gnome.org will pick a mirror site for you automagically.
http://gtk.themes.org
Or, just look in your gnome control panel under "Themes"
You can get KDE 2.1.1 for potato or woody by putting "deb http://kde.tdyc.com potato main crypto optional qt1apps" in /etc/apt/sources.list. I have been using it since the KDE 2.0 beta days, and it has been great. The only thing is that it also updates some packages (like openssl), that are not directly KDE, since they are used for things like https in konqueror.
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Pilchie
Yes, if you downloaded it yesterday, you would not have downloaded gnome-vfs, bonobo, nautilus, or the like. It is a little fuzzy, but basically its just that GNOME is a bunch of separate projects with a common roadmap. They all go their own directions, but meet up at McDonalds on highway 10 every few miles. The release marks the meeting point of the development versions of several different packages.
Engineering and the Ultimate
A GNOME release is much like a distribution release. It is just a collection of packages. The difference being that they've all been tested together. Why they decided to release GNOME 1.4 is that they've added several new things, and updated existing ones. They have added:
bonobo (component architecture)
gnome-vfs (allow anything to be viewed as part of a filesystem)
nautilus (new file manager)
xalf (launch feedback for panel launchers)
Some of these were around in beta form before the release, but the release of GNOME 1.4 marked the inclusion of these packages. It was a major change, so they had a package versinon number change.
However, the process isn't much different than that of a full distribution, only its covering only the desktop portion.
Engineering and the Ultimate
You should be running the unstable tree if
you want to keep up with the latest versions of
stuff. Unstable already has the gnome 1.4 packages available.. Testing is a frozen set of
packages, so the versions there aren't gonna
change much.
Omar El-Domeiri
You might almost say it turned your machine to stone :) hee hee
...or maybe not.
Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and
Shame? I feel no shame. I feel quite proud of my meager contributions and I know the Gnome hackers feel similarly. Gnome 1.4 is quite a step forward.
It just prves once and for all that qt IS a better toolkit... whether they lik eit or not.
What proves that qt is a better toolkit? Your statement? Proof requires evidence. In the world of computer programming; we want numbers and facts. Not trolls, blantant assumptions, or FUD. Give some real meat to discuss.
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PRESS RELEASE -- The GNOME Foundation announces the release of GNOME 1.4. The release offers a stable, powerful and tightly integrated platform that features the most extensive documentation to date, making the help features very user-friendly. GNOME 1.4 includes Nautilus, the new graphical shell for GNOME that features advanced file and Internet browsing capabilities. Developers will find a set of new and updated tools, making GNOME the ideal programming platform.
"GNOME 1.4 has a wealth of new features, from an updated Sawfish window manager to enhanced support and interoperability with other desktop environments." said Havoc Pennington, GNOME Foundation board chair. "This release represents a major leap forward in the GNOME desktop environment. Users will instantly see an improvement in the usability and power of components like Nautilus. Developers will enjoy the strategic advantages of improvements to the component architecture and streamlined tools for greater internationalization and localization of GNOME-based programs."
New or enhanced features of the GNOME 1.4 desktop environment include:
GNOME 1.4 will also include a number of enhancements for developers, including:
"Since the GNOME project is a free software project, we were able to incorporate advances from some of the most talented programmers in the world," said Maciej Stachowiak, head of the 1.4 Release Team. "Hundreds of people from every part of the world contributed to this release. The result is a mature, stable, powerful and fun-to-use desktop, with the promise of a host of new killer applications, due to the programming enhancements."
GNOME is a free software project that is developing a complete, easy to use desktop for GNU/Linux (more commonly known as Linux), BSD and a variety of other Unix and Unix-like operating systems. The GNOME desktop is used by millions of people around the world. More than 500 computer developers, including over 100 full-time, paid developers, contribute their time and effort to the project.
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The Gnome Project releases packages in source format. It will take a bit of time for Ximian, and others to incorporate their patches, build, and bundle the release and get it out on the red carpet channel. The source release always comes first...binaries will follow.
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Enh. Your point about the importance of having seperate partitions is well taken, but that's more work than I should have to bother with for a home box, especially one that I dual boot anyway.
Besides which, having the separate partitions would have prevented the original poster from having run out of space on / , but it doesn't really help with the chief problem, which is that Medusa spews an assload of data while logging. Pity, dat.
I'm just re-reading what I wrote and shaking my head. I completely trashed my home Debian system on Tuesday, and because it was all on a single partition, I was forced to erase everything (except what I could SCP off reasonably). When I put the system back together, I carved up my single partition into seperate mounts for /, /usr, /var, and /dev.
:)
In other words, completely disregard the first paragraph in my previous post.
If you want to run a public FTP mirror of the GNOME FTP site, please send us the URL to the mirror and the adminstrative contact address for the mirror, and we'll be happy to add you to our mirror database and provide you with the required password.
Thanks,
The GNOME system administration team
No idea, but since they are in the business of selling prepackaged gnome installations on CD, I can't imagine it will take them long to update their site. Rumor has it on debianplanet that they already have some .debs for nautilus. My guess is that they are finalizing red-carpet and will make the new Gnome available as a channel on that. Red-carpet is already very stable on my machine and I have no idea why they are keeping it back, other than perhaps waiting for gnome 1.4 to be released (which is happening as we speak probably).
Jilles
Both problems can fixed easily. For KDE, point your browser to kde.org, find the page with the installation instructions, find the deb sources. Do a apt-get install task-kde. For Gnome, go to ximian.com, find the installation instructions (involves calling lynx and piping its contents to sh). It doesn't get easier. And mind you these instructions even work for potato. All this assumes you have a network connection of course. If you are on a modem, I can imagine you could just put the debs somewhere local.
So after ximian updates their site you (and I) will be able to upgrade. I love debian for this ease of use. A few days ago apt-get informed me that kde 2.1.1 was available, before that news reached me through the regualar news sites. 20 minutes later it was up and running (required no manual intervention at all, no questions asked).
I agree that it would be nice if debian was a little faster in adopting these things but as long as I can get them from third parties this way it is fine with me.
Jilles
Can someone on the western side of the pacific please set up a mirror. More specifically, the south western section. mirror.aarnet.edu.au hasn't been updated in over a year (not quite but almost) and the other former mirror, ftp.tas.gov.au has been removed because it wasn't considered necessary for the Tasmanian government....
Anyone... I would, but I don't think a 56k link would solve any problems....
If you connect to the sites listed at http://download.gnome.org , (well, certainly to ftp://gnome.eazel.com/pub/GNOME/ , which is the one I used), you'll see that Gnome 1.4 really has been released. Note that 1.4 is still based around Gtk 1.2, and so is really just an updated Gnome 1.2 -- apart from the addition of Nautilus which I am compiling as I write.
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Well, I'm sure it'll be back, but last time I tried medusa, it slowed my machine to a crawl while it was running (p2-300, not state of the art, but still...).
-- Who is the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him? --
If you check the gnome-ftp servers, then you'll find out that the GNOME-1.4 that Linuxtoday is mentioning is actually Gnome-1.4 Release Candidate 1. There isn't a press-release up on http://www.gnome.org either. Guess we'll have to wait a little while longer for the "real" release.
I have to recommend against installing whole systems of debian packages from third party sources (such as all of gnome or all of kde). Time has shown that they tend to be incompatible with the rest of Debian. I would refer you to threads on debian-devel, but I don't have the time to find them at the moment. Many developers, however, have found it solves a lot of problems just to purge all the ximian/helix packages from their system.
Usually the stuff in unstable is reasonably recent. I'm pretty sure KDE2 is in there, not sure about the version of Gnome.
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A) Both KDE and GNOME suck. I'm sorry, but of the two OSs that support the rear channel on my SBLive (good god the new Klipsch 4.1's rock!) I find myself using Win9x because KDE2 and GNOME 1.2 are just too fucking slow! I takes at least two seconds to start up Konqueror, and sometimes you accidentally hit help a couple of times (which causes four Konq windows to pop up) because you forgot how long everything takes to load. This is especially a problem with KDE2, even simple apps like KPM take longer to load than Word does on Windows. Not to menetion anything on BeOS. I really like KDE2, don't get me wrong. KOffice is a killer app, and the whole component thing is very well implemented (it looks good too!) But the speed (not just startup, but the flickering and rubberbanding that happens everytime you reize a window, the shear that happens when you move windows quickly, the jumpy cursor, etc) is just a deal breaker. GNOME is a little better, but its no NT4 (or even 98 for that matter.)
B) Sure you can use apps from different environments at the same time, but doesn't running different environemnts kind of defeat the purpose of having an integrated desktop environment? I like integration, I like consistancy, and I like freedom (as in freedom to choose my own toolkits and apps regardless of what developers want to use. I'm talking about the standard toolkit ABI, read up on my older posts about it). Neither KDE nor GNOME give me any of these. The sad thing is, with Be's financial troubles, I might have to go back to Windows...
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Red Carpet seemed like a very cool thing at first, but I've gotten a couple of security updates from mailing lists that haven't shown up on there, and now Gnome 1.4 has been released, and it isn't available either...
It's like they got everything updated and ready for the launch, and then let it go...
Now Mandrake can finally ship 8.0!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
And most of all, that foot just looks COOL
If you wish to continue this flamewar, please do so on the NES. GNOME vs. KDE: Battle of the Desktops is an original game for NES emulators that pits a gnome against the old (pre-dragon) KDE mascot.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Since I am being accused of trolling despite my best efforts, here are concrete links that may explain my points better.
/ 20 01-March/msg00232.html
0 1- February/thread.html
0 1- February/msg00064.html
Report on bad status of Internationalization in GNOME:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-devel-list
GNOME 1.x Architecture concerns:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-hackers/20
(a lot of it, including emails from Alan Cox, and future plans for GNOME 2.0)
This isn't a good one but you might want to start reading here:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-hackers/20
Miguel and others have posted Roadmaps to deal with some GNOME core problems.
Also, you should see http://www.gtk.org/ because they ARE dealing with accessibility problems and the such.
(Please browse at -1 to read this comment.)
Fact is that Gnome 1.x (including 1.4, /. editor is being generous here) is way behind KDE
from the technical point of view. Application integratation, internationalization, accessibility,
coherent architecture, etc. etc.
Even core Gnome developers recognize this and are working for complete overhaul in 2.0 (though there have been some backpedaling from the most ambitious plans).
This person correctly points out the state of internationalization, accessibility, and haphazard architecture in GNOME. The application integration is self-evident if you use GNOME at all. If you follow the GNOME lists as closely as I do, you would realize all this.
Fortunately, you do not need to despair, many of these problems have been recognized and are being fixed in GTK 2.0 and GNOME 2.0. GNOME 1.4 is just a stepping stone, and it is by no means as perfect as you would like to believe. I suggest you help instead of making smug false claims.
(Please browse at -1 to read this comment.)
Mozilla really has nothing to do with Gnome, but if you want a GTK based browser use Galeon (which uses the renderer from mozilla, but nothing else).
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Soma: because a gramme is better than a damn.
The version of Gnome in testing is still 1.0.55!
As for KDE 2.0, it hasn't appeared yet, except for the i18n files, which are no use on their own.
I am continually and consistently impressed with the linux community and their development scheme. I recall early last spring when Helixcode was distributing the update to Gnome and how wonderful it was. What I find really funny is that other companies, hint the BIG Guy, would designate whole new version numbers as in 2.0, 3.0, just to give the software buying public something to clearly define one from the other.
Instead we have version 1.4 and people are going to love it because its hopefully more stable and user friendly. I was so impressed with KDE2 when it came out that I stopped using anything else, but made sure the other libraries were installed in case I wanted to run anything. I'm still impressed every day when I sit down and in front of a linux machine and find the interface more intuitive than those of other operating systems.
We're at a wonderful crossroads it seems. The desktops GUIs of opensource software are really beginning to shine, and will increasingly provide an alternative to costly, closed-source, operating systems and software in the near future; something that clearly benefits everyone.
yoink
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When I tried Gnome 1.4 beta, Nautilus and Gmc competed for control of the desktop. When is Gnome going to figure out that for a desktop to be usable it must be unified? Nautilus has such a different look and feel from the rest of Gnome it might as well belong to a different project; oh wait, it does. Evolution and Nautilus don't have any concept of eachother's existence, in fact no Gnome components are really aware of eachother. And Mozilla? Why did they have to drag that beast into all of this? I love the way Gnome looks, I love how there are themes for both sawfish and gtk that work together, but usability-wise, it still has some ways to go.
A big part of the reason for this is that every component of Gnome is developed by a separate group. Gnome office, composed of Gnumeric, AbiWord, and the Gimp? All completely separate and totally non unified projects. Xmms is the media player? It looks not remotely like any other Gnome application. And the aforementioned Blo^H^H^HMozilla for a web browser? Where's the integration? That's what makes a desktop system usable. I'll give them another chance when 2.0 goes beta.
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You had me at "dicks fuck assholes".
There are several things that could be happening, none of which excludes another:
a) I'm simply stupid.
b) 1.4 has not been released, and everybody says it has just to drive crazy.
c) There is no actual point to talk about gnome this and gnome that. Gnome is just a bunch of individual packages.
d) It's all a huge joke.
e) It's all a huge conspiracy (see b).
Seriously, what's the definition of a gnome release? gnome-core? gnome-libs? gnome-center? All of these have a 1.2.x version number. Or do they simply from time to time say "Hey now Gnome x.y is out" to make people upgrade their packages?
The webiste (gnome.org) gives no information what so ever.
Do you feel as confused as I do? Let me know I'm not alone.
Do you understand totaly and think I'm stupid. Please enlighten me so I will understand as well.
Usually within 2 days for RPMS, and Debian packages. I'm not sure about other distro's (Mandrake, SuSE etc.)
i wish i was but oh well
Gnome comes with better games
Gnomes are cute, KDE doesn't (Also rolls of toungue)
Gnome is spawned from GIMP
Gnomes have axes, and do light gardening
KDE sounds like a rare skin disease....
And most of all, that foot just looks COOL