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New Evidence for Open Universe

Observations made by the Hubble telescope have produced evidence that the universe is full of "dark energy", stuff that has mass but does not emit nor block light, and that a disregarded theory first postulated by Einstein about "negative gravity" is actually valid. If true, this would provide firm evidence that the universe will not collapse in a "big crunch" but will expand indefinitely. See the SF Chronicle, New York Times, MSNBC, or CNN for stories (the Chronicle story is the best, IMHO). For background information, you may want to check out the cosmology FAQ or more information about negative gravity. (Update: 04/04 11:03 AM by michael : A couple of people have pointed out that this write-up is inaccurate; I'm not going to try to correct it, but read the comments for more information.)

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  1. As always... by Amphigory · · Score: 5
    As always, I am most interested in the philosophical implications. If this ever-expanding universe idea is correct, then there is no "cosmic contraction" to provide the point of mass & energy which exploded in the big bang. That is, there is no never-ending cycle of "big bang/big crunch", and steady state is well and truly dead.

    This leaves you with a singularity that exploded for no apparent reason and existed for no apparent reason. Where did it come from? Why did it explode?

    How complex do things have to get before "God did it" becomes the best explanation?

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    1. Re:As always... by fiziko · · Score: 5

      > This leaves you with a singularity that exploded
      > for no apparent reason and existed for no
      > apparent reason.

      I can't tell you if it had a reason for existance, but it may be possible to explain why a singluarity exploded. (That whole "where did it come from" question cannot be answered by science: a singularity destroys almost all information about what it was made of. All you can possibly know about what a black hole as absorbed are the total mass, and net charge and angular momentum of what it swallowed. You need the "God did it" method if you demand an answer to that question.)

      Stephen Hawking has shown that the particle-antiparticle pairs that are perpetually being created in all of space (according to the current models) can provide a mechanism for a black hole to lose mass and energy. To explain how, we first must relax the conservation of energy by incorporating the results of quantum mechanics.

      In high school, you were taught that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only transformed. Well, this is mostly true. Conservation of energy can be violated, provided that violation can never be observed. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle of quantum mechanics puts limits on our observations. (Our uncertainty in the energy of a particle, multiplied by our uncertainty in the time we spend measuring it must be no smaller than an amazingly small number, Plank's constant h divided by 4pi.) The Universe can violate energy conservation, provided that excess energy is gone so fast it cannot be observed.

      The Universe, therefore, is able to conjure up a particle and its antiparticle anytime, anywhere. The creation of these particles is referred to as vaccum fluctuations. Anyway, these particles can be produced near a black hole.

      What happens if one of these particles falls into the black hole, while the other has enough energy to escape? Well, if you do the math, you find that in some cases, the particle that escaped can survive indefinitely; it can behave exactly as if it were a real particle.

      What effect does this have on the black hole? The net effect is a loss of energy. Because of mass energy equivalence, this corresponds to a loss of mass. In effect, the particle that escaped is behaving as though it had escpaed the black hole. If this happens often enough, a black hole can reach a point where it no longer meets the requirements of mass and density to be a black hole.

      What happens then? Well, nobody really knows. There are a lot of theories, including a Big-Bang type explosion. The one point I feel I should note is that, if this were a Big Bang sort of situation, then there would be matter in the Universe outside the singularity before it exploded. I'm still not sure how much matter this would be. I also don't know what kind of timescales it requires; if it's fast enough, it may appear as though it were a single explosion.

      This may not be the answer you're looking for, but I hope I convinced you that answers are possible when you're asking what triggered the Big Bang.

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    2. Re:As always... by edp · · Score: 4

      "... existed for no apparent reason .... 'God did it' becomes the best explanation?

      Sigh, I should know pointing out the obvious will accomplish little, but "God did it" does not solve the problem you pose. "God did it" does not explain why something exists for no apparent reason, since then you have God existing for no apparent reason.

      Science is finding out the reasons. Be patient.

  2. Finally!!! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3
    Observations made by the Hubble telescope have produced evidence that the universe is full of "dark energy", stuff that has mass but does not emit nor block light, ...
    Ah, great! They finally found the styrofoam packing peanuts the Universe was packed with when it still was in the crate...

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  3. Some additional points. by RobertFisher · · Score: 5

    For full disclosure, I am a physics graduate student working in the astronomy department at Berkeley. Although I am not a cosmologist, I heard the latest on the supernova searches from one of the key investigators yesterday at an informal brown bag lunch. As a regular /. reader, I thought I would put in my own two cents worth of corrections and additional info.

    First, the existence of a cosmological constant is NOT at all news. Prior observations by both the LBL group doing observations of supernovae type Ia (group page) and the BOOMERANG group doing observations of the cosmic microwave background (group page) verified the existence of a cosmological constant several years ago.

    Second, as a previous poster has stated, the geometry of the universe is NOT necessarily open.
    See especially this informative figure which shows the allowed region of parameter space based on both the SNIa and the BOOMERANG results. As you can easily see, the combined results are consistent with a flat universe with a cosmological constant, but the flat universe is a critical case, and one cannot exclude either an open or closed universe.

    Third, what IS new is the detection of an extremely distant SN at redshift z = 1.6. The discovery, made largely by Adam Riess, who is now at the Hubble Space Telescope Institute, was largely serendipitous; it was detected in the Hubble Deep Field, and a number of prior observations allowed Riess to piece together a light curve from which he could infer the intrinsic luminosity. The NEW results are remarkable for two main reasons :

    1) Critics have argued that a thin smattering of grey dust in intergalactic space could mimic the effect of a cosmological constant (ie, for a fixed redshift, objects seen are dimmer not due to an acceleration of the expansion of the universe, but instead due to obscuring dust along the line of sight, where the dust must absorb equally well at all frequencies). However, at very high redshift, the relative contribution of matter is higher, and so objects seen are BRIGHTER than what one expects in a freely coasting universe. This is not the trend predicted by the simplest dust model. So the recent evidence is one further advance for the non-zero cosmological constant model.

    2) At such high redshifts, clocks appear to be moving faster because of the relative expansion of the universe since then (a photon wavelength is stretched out, but c remains constant, hence the photon frequency is also slowing in time in the universe, as are all clocks). The high redshift SNIa light curve exhibits this general relativistic time effect, and one cannot make sense of the curve without correcting for it.

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  4. Re:Einstein's mistake by barawn · · Score: 3

    It's not silly to explain it away - if the explanation is testable, then it's a valid concern. If you're a good experimentalist, you can *always* come up with a better explanation than "bad physics" - especially because you know the portions of your research that were hacks - and there are *ALWAYS* hacks. :) So if you can't find a problem with your experiment that might explain something, honestly, you're fooling yourself. It might be that all of the explanations you can come up with are crap - I'm not suggesting that any experimental effect can be explained away - I'm just saying any good experimentalist can come up with problems with their own experiment, even if they're not real.

    Anyway, take something from my field: in the 80s and 90s, a bunch of experiments all seemed to confirm that the positron fraction in cosmic rays increased at high energies. This made no sense - and fundamentally you don't want to believe it at all. But they all confirmed it, until the next class of experiments came along and showed "oh, wait, you didn't have good enough rejection."

    The fact is that in a good experiment, they should've immediately guessed "um, we might not have good enough rejection" and in fact, some of them did suggest that, and that's what led to the better experiments. It might've been that what they saw was real, and their concerns were baseless, but they came up with the concerns, which is the important part.

    I agree that the fact that several groups got consistent answers is suggestive, but far space astrophysics relies on far too many assumptions to suggest redefining physics on a small scale until you get a huge swath of data to back it up. Everyone nowadays seems to be hinting in every talk and paper that I read that "evidence is mounting for a cosmological constant": no. Evidence is mounting for a systematic problem in our data regarding the expansion of the universe. The fact that it MAY be explained by a cosmological constant is unimportant. The cosmological constant is a 'fudge factor' in these cases: you can't disprove it because you can fit it to the data. The fact that you can fit it to all the data just says that the experiments are all measuring the same thing precisely - not necessarily accurately.

  5. Re:Einstein's mistake by barawn · · Score: 4

    It was a psuedo-mistake. It was thrown in because it *can* exist.

    Historically it was set to zero because it doesn't look pretty in the equations, but there's no reason it should be zero, and in fact, current astronomical observations say that it's probably not zero.

    Of course, I'll state my opinion flat out and say that I think the astronomical observations are flawed in the first place, for many fundamental reasons (especially the supernova observations. Trust me. Supernovae are anything *but* reliable observations). I've seen too much duplicity in reporting of astronomical data (see also the Hubble Constant war) to believe anything 'surprising' like this.

    It's possible, but the researchers IMHO are trusting their own data too much to suggest something like this. Start from the assumption that the cosmological constant is zero, then try to see if there's anything in your data that would explain the problem OTHER than a cosmological constant. If you can't find anything, you're a bad scientist - talk to some other ones and get some ideas. Check those ideas, check your instruments, run the experiment again. Repeat. Only when you've exhausted everything you can think of can you say "well... we might want to consider a cosmological constant."

    The "bad scientist" comment up there implied that a good scientist can always come up with a problem in his/her experiment that will cause a systematic error, not that a cosmological constant is inherently bad.

    I don't know. IMHO they haven't done enough checking yet to convince me. Supernova data doesn't convince me - they're way too variable, and they are NOT standard candles, regardless of what anyone tells you.

  6. Re:Open universe ? by Mignon · · Score: 3

    It's been ported to Lisp and is an Emacs package. Just type M-x big-! and start your own universe.

  7. A few corrections. . . by Betelgeuse · · Score: 3

    First of all, these data do _not_ suggest that the universe is open, but rather that it is flat. This is a key cosmological difference.

    Secondly, dark energy does _not_ have mass (you're probably thinking of dark matter). Dark Energy is thought to be (by some) the vaccuum energy density of the universe. At the current time, it appears that dark energy is accelerating the outward motion of the universe. This, in fact, is what the supernova observations are showing: given our expansion rate now, we would expect the supernova to be moving away from us more quickly than the actual motion we observe. This suggests that the universe was expanding more slowly in the past than it is now; that is, the universe is accelerating in its expansion.

    Because it adds to the overall energy density of the universe, however, it is thought to suggest that it makes the universe flat, cosmologically speaking.

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  8. Astronomy Picture of the day by alexjohns · · Score: 5

    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/
    Today's Astronomy Picture of the day is all about this, too. It's got a bunch of links at the bottom for people wanting to read more.
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  9. Sorry, trademarked by SGI by eries · · Score: 4

    Too late, SGI already has a trademark.

  10. Re:How depressing. by fiziko · · Score: 4

    Why do you need a purpose? The "purposes" you list for other discoveries seem like they were concocted after the fact to justify it for people who prefer to believe in a supreme being guiding the Universe.

    If you really need a purpose, here's one: to provide us with a challenge. If the Universe continues to expand indefinitely, there will be a time when the average density of the Universe is low enough that the formation of news stars becomes unlikely, and the fuel for those stars will begin to be burned up. Survival of the human race will be almost impossible in those conditions. The fight to survive will be the last remaining challenge for a race that will have had more than enough time to uncover a set of physical laws that describe the Universe. We'll need something to do.

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  11. Open universe ? by Salsaman · · Score: 5

    Great ! Does that mean I can change its source and recompile it ?

  12. Re:Einstein's mistake by krlynch · · Score: 5

    It was a psuedo-mistake. It was thrown in because it *can* exist.

    It was not a mistake to include it, not even a pseudo-mistake. At least in hindsight :-) And I don't mean from an observational viewpoint; from a fundamental theoretical viewpoint, you EXPECT there to be a cosmological constant term. Here are just two reasons:

    • The Einstein equations (with the cosmological constant term) are the most general (torsion free) equations you can write down using the metric and its first derivatives, that is invariant under general coordinate transformations. If you DON'T include the cosmological constant term, you have to come up with a new symmetry that appears in nature and that explains why there is zero vaccum energy. Explaining how you can leave it out is a more vexing problem than putting it in in the first place.
    • From fundamental particle physics, we expect the cosmological constant to be non-zero; every time you pass through a symmetry breaking phase transition (such as the electroweak phase transition, or a GUT scale transition, or breaking supersymmetry, or any of innumerable other phase transitions), the vacuum energy density is increased...i.e. there are positive contributions to the cosmological constant. (Now, those contributions from known phase transitions are naively sixty or seventy orders of magnitude larger than the observations, but that is another problem :-) So again, without some other unknown mechanism, you expect it to be nonzero.

    The problem since the seventies has not been to explain why the cosmological constant is not zero (since you wouldn't naively expect it to be), but why it is so CLOSE to zero; that is, why does the universe have some approximate symmetry that keeps the cosmological constant so small, despite what would otherwise be its natural inclination to be large.

  13. Dark energy != Dark Matter by FortKnox · · Score: 4

    Observations made by the Hubble telescope have produced evidence that the universe is full of "dark energy", stuff that has mass but does not emit nor block light,

    Your dark energy explaination is actually the definition of "Dark Matter". Dark energy is the repulsive force in space that accelerates the already spreading galaxies.
    Another theory that supports this "Dark Energy" is the theory of a second sun Nemesis

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  14. Pictures and stuff about the topic ... by gerddie · · Score: 3

    can be found here:
    Blast from the Past: Farthest Supernova Ever Seen Sheds Light on Dark Universe
    ... and some more information, why this should tell us, that the universe is expanding faster.

  15. Whew by Fervent · · Score: 3

    I don't know about anybody else, but did anyone else say "whew" when you read this? I was always worried that if, by some miracle, cryogenics was ever perfected and we could live forever, we would be stilted by a crunching universe (not a terribly fun way to die). At least now we have some extra time.

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  16. Cosmological constant by the+Atomic+Rabbit · · Score: 4

    ...a disregarded theory first postulated by Einstein about "negative gravity" is actually valid.

    The cosmological constant, which provides a repulsion on the cosmological scale, was famously declared by Einstein to be the biggest mistake of his life. However, it has been known for many decades now that the it is a very valid part of the theory - it's not so much a fudge factor as a constant of integration.

  17. NOT OPEN!! by rknop · · Score: 5

    A common misconception, left over from decades of cosmology textbooks which implicitly assumed a zero cosmological constant (equivalently, no dark energy). These textbooks all make the equation that closed geometry = universe recollapses, open geometry = universe expands forever, flat geometry = borderline case.

    In fact, if you have a cosmological constant (or dark energy), you can have a closed univere which expands at an accelerating rate.

    The best evidence about the geometry of the universe currently comes from cosmic microwave background observations, which suggests that the geometry is *flat*. The supernova evidence suggests that the expansion of the universe is accelerating.

    It is a mistake to state that an eternal expansion, or an accelerating expansion, is an "open" universe.

    -Rob

  18. also 20 new planets discovered by deran9ed · · Score: 3

    Ok so my postings so far for the day will come to a halt, but I figured this should be included in the topic, or... You could just read it anyways...

    Two British astronomers have counted up to 20 "free floating" planets, drifting in the constellation of Orion. They told the National Astronomy Meeting in Cambridge yesterday that they had identified the "signature" of water vapour in the infrared spectrum of faint points of light in the Orion nebula. This is a vast cloud of gas and dust 1,300 light years from Earth, but visible as the middle "star" in the sword of the constellation of Orion.

    Read on

  19. How depressing. by Urban+Existentialist · · Score: 4
    I had always hoped that the universe would collapse in a big crunch, so that there could be a point to life. Now it looks as though the universe will just keep on getting bigger and bigger and colder and colder. What kind of destiny can we have as a species in this sort of environment?

    In fact, this really means that I doubt what the scientists say on this matter very much. Everything else in nature has a greater purpose and direction, a manifest destiny if you will, whether it be evolution or consciousness or even life itself. Scientists have always prided them on showing the point of life since the days of Euclid, through Newton (who was a very spiritual man) and onwards.

    The entire body of science points towards there being a directional purpose to life. This discovery flies in the face of everything we have learned, and I for one am sceptical. Not until they show the higher purpose (multiuniverses?) will I be convinced of this.

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