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Negative Index of Refraction Created

FortKnox writes "Scientists studying how a new composite material reacts with microwaves have found that the waves refract in a way the defies a law of physics. The physical formula states that the wave will refract a specific way, but passing through this new material, the wave bends in the exact opposite direction. Scientists believe this is the first demonstration of a negative index of refraction." I haven't been able to find a more scientific report about this - if you find a link, please post the link below.

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  1. Re:Not *really* against the laws of physics :) by On+Lawn · · Score: 4


    The right hand rule is not really a rule, it is a easy way to remember the direction of the positive cross product of two verticies. Its the same as putting your hands in front of your face to see which one forms an 'L' for 'Left' hand.

    So tell me how these materials form a negative cross product of radiation across the E and M flow?

    And what does this have to do with refraction?

    No links to anything. You should be...

    ..proud of yourself. Fooled the moderators again.


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  2. Re:So What? by jarek · · Score: 3

    With negative index of refraction you are able to recreate the source field at some other "image" position. That means no resolution limits set by the wavelength of the light and and focusing power (usually called numerical aperture) set by the lens. Note that the negative refraction lens conjugates the phase of the wave. For a plane wave, it just looks like the wave reverses direction at the other side of the (flat) lens. For a spherical wave originating at some point, the conjugated wave will focus onto a point on the other side of the (negative refraction) lens.
    For antenna research this will probably mean really a lot. Most probably we will also be able to locate sources of (microwave) radiation with great precision.

    /jarek

  3. Re:So What? by Squeeze+Truck · · Score: 3
    When something strange is discovered (something previously often considered impossible), does it really matter if there isn't a use for it this very moment?

    Thbbbt.

    If they're not going to make the next Furby or Tickle-Me Elmo with what they discover, why should they keep getting research grants?

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  4. Not *really* against the laws of physics :) by Kha0S · · Score: 4

    This isn't really against the laws of physics of course :) Basically if you've ever done any electromagnetism then you'll have heard of the right-hand rule which governs the interactions of the electric and magnetic fields and the directions of their wave velocities. But for this new class of composite materials we instead get a left-hand rule, meaning that Snell's law (which governs the change of angel caused by the change of velocity of EM radiation through materials) is essentially reversed...

    The really unusual thing about these materials is that they exhibit negative electric permittivity and negative magnetic permeability, never seen before in any material. There are sure to be plenty of interesting applications to follow.

  5. Fiberglass and copper, eh? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3

    The composite, made of fiberglass and copper, caused microwaves shot through it to bend in an opposite direction than the laws of physics predict, making it the first material to have a ``negative index of refraction,'' physicists said in a study appearing in the journal Science.

    Fiberglass and copper, eh? Well, how about the fiberglass REFRACTING it in the PROPER direction, and right after the copper REFLECTS it exactly the other way????


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    1. Re:Fiberglass and copper, eh? by Tiroth · · Score: 3

      Well, yeah, except its a composite, not just a couple of layers sandwiched together. If what you are saying is occurring within the composite structure you'd expect random dissipation, not clean refraction.

  6. Effects by Hanzie · · Score: 3

    Looks pretty much like a flat sheet would cause divergent rays to be straightened toward parallel. That would be quite useful, since it's loads easier to make something perfectly flat than perfectly curved

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  7. Re:Faster than light? by YoJ · · Score: 3

    Light also refracts when going (for example) out of glass back into vacuum. So it does indeed accelerate back up to full speed once it leaves the glass. There's nothing mysterious about going faster than lightspeed - different materials have different lightspeeds. You just can't travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

  8. Wait a minute... by jcr · · Score: 3

    For the refractive index to be negative, doesn't that mean that the speed of light through this medium has to be *higher* than through a vacuum?

    I'm confused..

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  9. Negative indexes are so old they seem new by Doctor+K · · Score: 5

    Having just completed a Ph.D. in this field I can say with some certainty that negative indexes of refraction are not new.

    The relative dielectric constant of a plasma (cold, unmagnitized, above the ion plasma frequency) is:

    1 - wp^2 / w^2

    where w is the frequency and wp is the plasma frequency. Below the electron plasma frequency, the dielectric constant of a plasma is negative. (Actually, part of my thesis addes terms to handle electron pressure and density gradient effects.)

    Hell, Rayleigh (think 1900s) was using such treatments to calculate resonance frequencies for things like the sun (wp/sqrt(3) by the way).

    What was somewhat new about the research referred to is they simultaneously created negative dielectric constant and a negative magnetic permeability.

    However, the techniques they used to do so have been around since the 1950s and form the basis of all sorts of electron devices like traveling wave tubes (a staple of satellite communication).

    Kevin

  10. heeeeeelp! by jbridge21 · · Score: 3

    Does this mean that I won't be able to fry ants with a magnifying glass made out of this stuff?
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    1. Re:heeeeeelp! by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 3

      Actually yes you can, if what I understand is correct, you will be able to do it in your microwave oven!

      (Big whoop, can't I do that already? Answer: no you can't. Ants are seriously smaller than the wavelength of your microwave and hence are pretty much unaffected by it- ant heaps can actually live in a working microwave!)

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    2. Re:heeeeeelp! by isomeme · · Score: 3
      Ants are seriously smaller than the wavelength of your microwave and hence are pretty much unaffected by it- ant heaps can actually live in a working microwave!

      Microwave ovens work by exciting molecular bonds at their resonant requencies. Notably, they pump energy into the O-H bonds in water molecules. Thus, anything containing water will be heated in a microwave oven. Ants contain water, of course...so the inside of a functioning microwave would not be a healthy place for them.

      However, it should be noted that the distribution of microwave energy density inside an oven is not uniform. Designers try to focus energy in the lower-central volume, where food is most likely to be placed. What's more, the presence of food will absorb energy which might otherwise reach other parts of the oven. Therefore, ants might be able to live around the edges of the oven chamber without getting boiled internally. But this has nothing to do with their size.

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  11. Re:No big deal, *and* not impossible. by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 4

    Heh, just what I get for shootin from the hip. I described materials with positive but sub-1 index of refraction. This stuff has negative index and is really new.

  12. It allows perfect lenses... by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 3
    Normal lenses have a limit that light can't be focused down more than a certain limit based on the size of the lens. However negative refractive indexes allow more precision than that.

    Check out the following link to a PDF file:

    Physical Review Letters

    Warning: probably don't bother if you haven't studied Maxwells equations... definitely don't bother if you haven't heard of Maxwell's equations!

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  13. Re:Importance? by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 3

    cmstremi
    >How will this help me pick up chicks?

    It won't. They will have better binoculars and be able to see you coming from miles away. It should help them find me though ;-)

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  14. Links, etc by Alien54 · · Score: 5
    Looks like the discovery happened last year, but has only now been formally published


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  15. No such thing as the "Laws of Physics" by RatFink100 · · Score: 3

    At least not in the way people mean when they talk about breaking them.

    Physics - indeed science in general - is basically a collection of so-far not disproven hypotheses - which are based on observation, experimentation and logical (mathematical) deduction.

    There are no immutable 'laws' - there are only hypothesis for which no exception has been found.

    It's actually really important that scientists don't think in terms of 'laws' - because most major leaps forward occur due to someone 'breaking' then re-inventing one of these laws. Or put it another way - we come across these observations which don't fit the hypothesis so we have to ask 2 questions

    1) are the observations correct?
    2) is the hypothesis correct?

    If we think in terms of unbreakable laws we'll throw out Question 2 at the beginning.

    Fortunately most scientists don't talk in terms of laws - it's a popular science term.

  16. Re:An anti-rainbow? by dstone · · Score: 3

    An anti-rainbow? That would be an interesting experiment in art class.

    It would interesting, except to be an "experiment", you'd have to get an art class to follow the Scientific Method, including formulating a hypothesis, falsifiability, etc.

    Ummm. Yeah. Cough.

  17. Importance? by cmstremi · · Score: 3

    How will this help me pick up chicks?

  18. Faster than light? by Decado · · Score: 3

    Ok my physics is pretty rusty but I always thought that the reason for light bending between mediums was that the light slowed down going from the less dense medium to the denser medium. Does this mean that the light accelerates when it goes into this new substance and if so is the light then travelling faster than light?

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    1. Re:Faster than light? by sfe_software · · Score: 3

      ...one of the results of a negative index of refraction is that the Doppler Effect will be reversed.

      I wonder if one could make automotive paint out of this material? I could think of at least one good reason... ;)

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    2. Re:Faster than light? by NonSequor · · Score: 3
      We happen to be studying this stuff right now (I also did this stuff in high school). Here it is quantitatively:

      v=c/n

      Where v is the speed of light in the medium and n is the index of refraction for that medium. This equation suggests that a material with an index of refraction of -1 would travel at -c. Clearly this can't be the case because the light would do a full reverse and leave the medium. So this equation must not work for materials with negative indices of refraction. It may be that the proper equation is something like v=c/abs(n) or something more complicated that simplifies to v=c/n for positive n. Anyway, they didn't conclude that the material had a negative index of refraction (for microwaves anyway) because of that equation. They used this equation:

      n1*sin(theta1)=n2*sin(theta2)

      Where n1 and n2 are the indices of the first and second media respectively, theta1 is the angle of incidence, and theta2 is the angle of refraction.

      If n1 is positive and n2 is negative then solving for theta2 will give a negative value. So the angle of refraction bends in the opposite direction of the angle of incidence.

      Er... Well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um... destroying a forest. Or something.

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  19. I know the feeling by Slashdot+Cruiser · · Score: 5

    One time, we were driving to a nearby mall. Two maps said that Bent Tree Drive made a sharp left curve. We're tooling along, looking for the sharp left curve so we know there's only two more miles to go.

    Well wouldn't you know it? Bent Tree Drive has been under construction for a month. The sharp left curve is now a sharp right curve, followed by two sharp left curves.

    There's an old saying: "Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left." It had nothing to do with this.

    Anyway, it's a good thing I was behind the wheel paying attention. Had I been expecting the sharp left curve, I would have driven the Cruiser into a lake. Fortunately, I made the right followed by two lefts and we all got to the mall safely.

    In my humble opinion, something similar has happened to these scientists. Perhaps the prism was under construction. Maybe they didn't see the tiny detour signs or maybe some kids snuck off with them in the middle of the night. You know in the Road Runner cartoons when Wile E. Coyote turns the sign around? I'll bet that's what happened here.

    In fact, I understand the scientists also painted a tunnel on the side of a mountain and the microwaves went right into it. See? That's exactly what I'm talking about. If they're really smart, they'll watch out for the oncoming train. It would be a shame if the train hit them and squashed them flat against the front before they could collect their Nobel prize.

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  20. Re:So What? by DeadInSpace · · Score: 3

    When something strange is discovered (something previously often considered impossible), does it really matter if there isn't a use for it this very moment?

    No.

    If every discovery with no apparant use was treated the way you react, portable computers running at 1,000,000,000 Hz weighing less than 3kg would not exist today, just to name something. What if no-one ever tried to research and understand radio-activity (which would not seem very useful at the time), would we have the ability to take X-rays today? Or to try and cure cancer with it?

    Scientific discoveries will almost always be of significant use, and should be treated as such. Even when there doesn't seem to be an application yet.

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