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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Maybe the analogies will just never stop, but Jethro73 points to this piece with "802.11's security issues compared to Swiss Cheese ...?"
The downside of all the attention being focused on the problems with 802.11 is that by the time there are some networks on my block to piggyback on, the holes will all be gone;)
Hopefully one of the last words here ... Rivendahl directs you attention to "this link to the StlToday.com web site giving a brief summary of a pending lawsuit against Linuxgruven.com, Inc. A bit of rumor says the owners cannot be found and perhaps fled. While I'd rather not report rumor, I would like to make sure the people Linuxgruven.com, Inc. has burned hear about them going down in flames and let them know also of the pending lawsuits. I don't know how much ex-employees may get out of it but at least spread the word, please. I know the teachers at Linuxgruven.com, Inc. teach their students to read /."
So it's time to put my Linuxgruven bumperstickers on eBay? Maybe they will mate with the LinuxOne distribution ...
Next year he'll be only half as old, though. cnkeller writes: "Gordon Moore has hit the maximum age of employment at Intel. As of May, he'll only be an honorary employee. Story here"
Please pick your poison; after that it's your fault. Erik Nilsson points to four informative articles about that which we Americans might prefer to hear nothing more about for a few years: voting, elections software, and Internet voting.
In 'No Easy Answers,' Lorrie Faith Cranor surveys elections technology, evaluates the prospects for Internet voting, and makes recommendations for action.
'Why Has Voting Technology Failed Us?' examines the performance of existing systems, and considers the prospects for improvement.
In 'Sweden to Experiment with E-voting,' Anders Olsson reports on Sweden's current electoral experiments.
In 'System Integrity Revisited,' Rebecca Mercuri and Peter Neumann examine the reasons why current voting systems have failed. They call on computer professionals to contribute their expertise to an informed discussion."
The upshot is still that there are no easy answers to ensuring that elections are accurate and fair.
I could set the building on fire by overclocking Amd Tbirds okay but that's the last straw
The 802.11 article used the term "script kiddy"! It would be while if that's the next net jargon term to see widespread use.
bmetz's law: The amount of people declaring Moore's law dead will double every 18 months.
Of course we all know that it has to end sometime but I'm willing to bet it will hold true for the duration of my lifetime (50-70 years).
Of course if you are easily amused I suggest you read news for the easily amused
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U.S. Gov't-in-Exile: http://www.USGovernment-in-Exile.org
Umm, a "government in exile" is a legitimate government which has been driven into exile because a rival government has seized power. Unless you have some reason I'm not aware of, nobody affiliated with your site has any legitimate claim to the government of the United States, and hence cannot claim to be forming a "government in exile." Al Gore perhaps could make his claim (though he would not), but just a bunch of random people cannot.
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Look, I realize Intel has a bad rep for firing people who get too expensive (ie, anyone over 30 something, with stock options about to vest), but the guy's 72. Seeing as the usual retirement age is 55-65, a mandatory limit of 72 is not that bad, especially in the tech industry.
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Somebody suggested that the voter be allowed to print a fake receipt that says anything you want.
The bumper stickers with Linuxgruven on them were not from Linuxgruven. They were from Linuxcare. Linuxgruven came up with the name after they saw the bumper sticker. I don't think Linuxcare was too happy about that.
Software sucks. Open Source sucks less.
Gordon Moore has hit the maximum age of employment at Intel. As of May, he'll only be an honorary employee.
That's a shame -- his efficiency doubles every 18 months, I'm told. Think of all he could accomplish!
Waldo
The GOP demanded accuracy, and the DNC cried "people are being cheated out of having their votes counted on a technicality! (unfair!)"
The DNC demanded fairness, and the GOP cried "you're applying arbitrary standards to evaluate what is and is not a vote! (inaccurate!)"
So it looks like you've summed up the situation pretty nicely.
Even if the election were completely fair, there would be no way to silence people who don't trust the system. Imagine the uproar in the last election multiplied 1000 times, for *every* election. That would be our nightmare.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Without a clear trail of accountability and easy auditing, nobody's going to trust it. It doesn't matter if the system is mathematically foolproof. The system needs to be simple in implementation because the dumbest voter needs to understand how it works. If the system is too complicated, then ignorant people won't trust it. Even a lot of smart people won't trust it.
Don't let the problem with chads fool us into thinking that a good paper based system is impossible.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
From the article: That's just dandy. We're effectively being told that ... we're not worthy of properly designed and implemented security. A flawed system is considered sufficient.
Maybe the FBI is behind the security flaws in 802.11? This way, as the technology proliferates and everyone's got it in their home networks, they can spy (and even root around in) on everyone's computers from the comfort of their vans...
Or am I just being paranoid?
If you'd actually read the law you're talking about, you'd see that having a compulsory retirement age is not illegal. There are restrictions placed around it, but I feel fairly certain that they are within those restrictions.
Link to the actual law...
Quote: "Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to prohibit compulsory retirement of any employee who has attained 65 years of age and who, for the 2year period immediately before retirement, is employed in a bona fide executive or a high policymaking position, if such employee is entitled to an immediate nonforfeitable annual retirement benefit from a pension, profitsharing, savings, or deferred compensation plan, or any combination of such plans, of the employer of such employee, which equals, in the aggregate, at least $44,000."
There's much much more, but that's just one example..
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There is no federal civil rights statute that makes age discrimination illegal
Wrong. How about "The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967"? It's been amended a few times, but it's still US Law.
Age Discrimination is illegal. Mandatory Retirement is not necessarily Dicrimination, however. Read the thing (or skim it, it's long and dull).
http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/adea.html
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HR to Gordon Moore:
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72 seems an odd age for mandatory retirement. Intel's mandatory retirement age is probably 70, but they let him slide a few years because he's a founder of the company.
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Troll, stupidity, or ignorance? I'll assume the latter.
The most disturbing parts of the Florida Fraud had nothing to do with the balloting procedures (as illegal and immoral as those procedures were). Thousands of people with clean criminal records were taken off the voting rolls in a purported purge of "felons" performed by a private company. Police roadblocks harassed blacks on their way to the polls.
No. Not in a situation where certain areas are given technology known to undercount (both from usuablilty issues and physical failure), and others are given accurate vote tabulators.Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | http://www.infamous.net/
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No one at Intel would have forced him out. If he had wanted to stay, he could have had the age changed. Clearly he wants to scale back his duties and concentrate on his foundation and being retired. Hitting the age is a good excuse to do this without alarming shareholders.
How hard is it to make your electronic voting system spit out a paper trail?
Which is more reliable, a paper trail generated by a computing machine with limited options (if Bush print "BUSH"; if Gore print "GORE") or one generated by humans?
I think we already have our control group.
Make the voting software open source, and the smart people don't have to trust the system, they can trust their own eyes (or what other trustworthy smart people tell them the code says). The dumb people don't need a "reason" not to trust something, they'll make something up. That's why we call them dumb.
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Surely someone with his experience qualifies for this position.
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Yo, dude. The sidebar said he was born on 3 Jan 1929, so he's 72, not 65.
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Also, I've done construction work with old guys. They don't move as fast as kids, and don't swing the hammer as many times, but somehow the nails go in the board a lot faster because they did it the way it needed to be done and put it in the places that need the nails most. And inexperienced workers can do a fine job with well-aged perfectly straight wood they bought at the hardware store, but when you're dealing with wood that might be a bit warped, or a bit green, or that you milled from real trees, or slate roofing where every piece of material is unique, you really want some old guy who's been building buildings on farms to be in charge. Sure, the old guys make _us_ haul the heavy stuff around, while they give it a little push here and stick a wedge under it there which cuts the work in half, and spend a while sharpening their tools just right instead of chopping away, and their attitude towards digging ditches often includes renting a backhoe for the rough work and doing the detail by hand, instead of all muscle or all machine, but don't go thinking it's time to throw _them_ out on the woodpile....
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. Telling the public to trust the election results because they came from computers is far less credible than telling them to believe in the results of lever-style machines. Where computers have the potential to be really useful is to help track down anomalies in the process and find where to go look for the miscounted votes, stuffed ballot boxes, and run the manual counts on the machine-counted ballots that got confused by hanging chad or extra holes punched in by Demopublicans. It might not have mattered in Florida, where the Republican court maneuvers effectively kept most of the ballots from being successfully recounted, but that's where the processes need the most help.
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We restrict minors because they're not (by whatever definition) "grown up". Obviously, picking the arbitrary age of 18 does not accurately measure the maturity of every single person, but it's close enough by U.S. society's standards. OTOH, there's no age that is even that accurate at telling when someone has "grown down" enough to start restricting them again.
The article didn't say. I guess he's 64. He must have lots of stock and stuff. So Intel doesn't need you when you're 64, but it probably still feeds you. ...OK, geek and Beatles references in the same post. I'll stop now.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Well, after the age of 60, your risk of stroke, and heart attack greatly increases... I can see the rational behind this.. I'd rather not be in a commercial airline and suddenly the pilot has a stroke, dies and falls face first onto the flight stick, putting the plane into a downward spiral.. (meanwhile the copilot is in the john) Sure there are probably a lot of healthy 60 year olds with no prior medical conditions, but I've met 60 year olds that are in perfect health and then suddenly one day they have a stroke or a severe heart attack .. Its probably in the best interest to have a mandate like that.
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It's not illegal.
There is no federal civil rights statute that makes age discrimination illegal, and age is not a protected class entitled to the additional safeguard of the "strict scrutiny" test for the constitutionality of government actions.
If this were a government action (and Intel employment policies should not be construed as a government action) then the constitutional test that would apply is the "rational basis" test, in which the state action is legal if it is rationally related to a legitmate government purpose.
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I've been meaning to start using IPSEC for my internal network as yet another layer of security: the routers would reject (and log) all non-IPSEC traffic, and make use of IPSEC's authentication to make certain that only properly-identified machines can talk to anybody else.
Before even considering adding any kind of internal wireless access point, I would make certain to implement IPSEC. At that point, somebody hijacking or eavsdropping on the wireless network wouldn't be able to understand anything (regardless of the wireless protocol) and wouldn't be able to talk to anybody (again, regardless of the wireless protocol). I suppose an attacker might be able to set up multiple wireless devices that talk to each other...but that doesn't give her much.
Considering all the historical security trouble with sealed boxes, I'm surprised that more people haven't taken this route from the beginning.
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Voting, Suing, Retiring - yeah, that sounds like a good life plan to me!
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As one of the final acts of this sessions state Senate, Maryland signed into law that there be uniform voting procedures throughout the state. This is partially because of the Florida fiasco that Florida didn't get to solve, but also because some districts ran out of ballots. Had Maryland been the swing state, it would have been just as ugly. Being a Marylander, I was glad to hear about voting issues one more time.
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The next technology step towards improving voting does not have to be databases or internet voting. In fact it will never be internet voting because (even though I cant see this happening) they don't know someone is holding a gun to your head to vote Bush. Even more possible is a sign or two or a commercial on TV for president because that too is illegal. Databases, while a better idea, are too hard to get the US convinced to go along with it since they are all paranoid about hacking. Which is slightly true since some guy can go "update voting set canidate='Gore';". The easiest, best, quickest way to get technology in the door is to have like a touch screen computer that you just touch the person you want to vote for. When you're done it doesn't send it to a database or anything. Instead, it just punches out your card for you. Hell, give the option of deciding whether they want to do it on the computer or not, since after all, there would be no way to tell the difference between the two except one is nice and clean and done right. While the other may have to worry about chads or something. Which would also give a more legit reason to just toss them out.
What do you mean "smack of". It is rather blatant age discrimination. One more reason not to go to work for Intel. That and cubicles and maybe other things.
Age discrimination is evidence that there is no shortage of technical workers.
Illegal? IANAL.
This and any other example of age discrimination should be recorded in a file and brought up any time someone says there is a shortage of technical workers.
Also, this sort of thing should be brought up anytime someone says we need to increase the number of students enrolled in engineering or science. It would be dumb to start a career in a field where you could get kicked out just for reaching a particular age.
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But doesn't a "mandatory retirement age" smack of ageism and be wholly illegal?
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Is that like Milton from Office Space? Will Gordon be forever damned to wander the basement of Intel pondering the location of his stapler?
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