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Next Devel Yopy Version To Run X and GTK+
chrisd writes "From the yopy developers list, Young Hoon Kim notes that :"G-Mate will introduce the next generation of Yopy which targets the end user
in the 3rd or last quarter of this year. This time, it will have 64MB of RAM and 16MB Flash, and it will use ramfs. Of course it will have X windows installed and all the application will be run on X too. Therefore, if you are planning to develop any application for Yopy, you have to port your application to be used with X windows. Since we will include GTK+ toolkit, it's a good idea to start making application using GTK". I've got the yopy, and I have to say I really like it, the screen is very nice and it's -very- fast.
The development version shipped with something called w-windows which was weird, but I quickly installed X from the Yopy X Server Project."
But all the promises about new designs don't mean dick unless you're shipping the product NOW.
I've been floowing Yopy since it was released, and I'm becomming steadily disapointed. The Spec sheet, when it was first announced in '99, was very impressive -- TFT colour, fast CPU, built in Mpeg decoder and FM/TV tuner... but the features dwindled and eve those it retained started looking less stellar every time they pushed back the relase date.
I want to like the Yopy, I really do, but G-Mate is going to hve to impove it's track record before I'mm but my weight behind it again. Sorry.
Hilary Rosen's speech was about her love of money and her desire to roll around naked in a pile of money.
Hmm, if this is a troll, apparently it's slipped past the slashdot troll detectors by being modded up so quickly, so I'll respond.
You're basically saying that people will become uncreative if you give them convenient calendars? I've rarely heard such alarmist nonsense.
Certainly for some people they can serve to help regiment their life. But in my experience, a disorganized person (such as myself) will stay disorganized what utilities you provide them with. Start back in grade school with the trapper keeper, I found that no amount of effort or organizational products could keep tendencies in check.
For people like myself, a handheld's organizational capabilities will likely go completely unutilized (as I can attest with my palm pilot). Instead, they serve the role of a mnemonic enhancer, an extension of my brain that can store information far more carefully than my own frazzled bundle of neurons.
As a result, I can remember more, and potentially be more creative by cross indexing ideas I have now, with ideas I had a year ago. These ideas I would have surely lost had I not written them down somewhere. Physical notebooks don't allow one to dynamically rearrange one's notes, so a handheld helps in this enormously.
X was originally designed and run on computers with less than a meg of RAM. While it didn't have all the features a modern X implementation has, it had all the biggies.
:) Over a LAN, it's nice and snappy. Over cable or DSL, it's also rather fast, despite sometimes obvious latency(which is a factor of the network, not so much the X protocol).
;) Suuure, you *could* use something lighter. But then why not run Linux with a single shell in the console text-mode? 'cause we don't have to :)
:)
The idea that "X is bloated" is most definetly a vast misconception. What do you base this observation on? It definetly isn't quantitative analysis, elsewise you wouldn't say it's bloated.
So, you must be basing your opinion on subjective analysis. Now, KDE2 is pretty beefy. I bet at least 75% of people who use it, and this it's slow, will blame that on X. But if that were the case, how can I run, oh, say, Blackbox which is very fast? Since the X implementation is the same between the two, obviously that's not it. The same applies to GNOME; X isn't the bottleneck.
Now, running remote X apps is a bit of a bandwidth hog. On a slow modem.
Anyways, there are projects around which have entire X implentations that take up a few megs in storage, and less than a meg in RAM. XFree86-based implementations, to boot. Considerng this Yopy will have 64M of RAM, and 16M of flash, I don't think it's an issue
Just a misconception
Barclay family motto:
Aut agere aut mori.
(Either action or death.)
Barclay family motto:
Aut agere aut mori.
(Either action or death.)
Well, I have had a Palm (first a III, then a Vx) for a little over two years now, and I use it mainly for playing backgammon while I'm on the can.
In other words, I think you're taking this a little too seriously.
We were working on an embedded device and had an X server in about 700K. The view of X as bloated is largely a misconception.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Monkey sense
but on a more realistic note, why are we being told now? I could understand if this was to encourage application development before it shipped, but it seems more like a way to hype up possible vaporware than to encourage development. Does anyone know how far along this project really is? If so, how's it look?
Mooniacs for iOS and Android
Sophocles: Antigone, C. 450 BC
Sophocles had a great insight. Madness is a social phenomenon; people are said to be mad when they deviate from the norm. Madness does not exist in any objective sense. In the eyes of God, we are all sane.
The problem with handheld computers and indeed computers generally is that they raise the bar of sanity. Everyone is expected to be super organised, utterly confirmist and organise the details of their life such that they can be described in Microsoft Outlook's diary functions.
The onset of portable computers continues this trend, and it is most worrysome. Where will the creative free spirits of our society come from when they are expected to obey the whims of the technocratic elite? Portable computers such as the yopy are always imposed on us by the corporate power structures above.
True radicals and free thinkers should have nothing to do with them, as they force one to limit one's ambitions and thoughts.
We should be constraining the use of these devices, not promoting them.