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Cheaters Sometimes Prosper

Posted by michael on from the farming-moderation-points-will-only-get-you-heartache dept.

The Red Herring has a story discussing the cheating epidemic in online gaming. Discusses the problem from the point of view of the game companies, especially the ones producing console games who have to get it right the first time or face reissuing a huge number of CDs.

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  1. Bloody hell, of course they sometimes prosper.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5


    Case in point: Microsoft.

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  2. Follow Real-World Examples by Hrunting · · Score: 5

    Anything that has rules someone will try to cheat at. Everyone dies, right? Well, that doesn't stop people from trying to cheat death. Why? Rules inherently suck. They were made to be broken. A Christian man and woman get in a relationship. God says don't cheat. What do they do? You guessed it. They cheat.

    So how do real-life games take care of this scenario? Well, let's take basketball as an example. You have two basic ways of handling cheating in basketball. At the organized level (ie. NBA), you have referees. They have the rulebook, and when someone cheats, they call a foul. In an online game, this would be akin to a server admin maintaining the rules. It would be even better if it was automated (ie. the game could identify cheaters). Hell, human players can detect cheaters, so why not computers? At the unorganized level (ie. street ball), you have mob rule. Jim travels, so Bob calls a foul. Jim says, "No way, dood." Bob's buddies nod their heads. What happens if Jim refuses to agree? He's either out of the game or beat up (or both). What happens if Bob keeps calling wussy fouls? Bob's either out of the game or beat up. In an online server, this would be akin to sort of moderation system. Players could identify another player as a cheater. If this person gets identified enough, he's kicked off. If some jackass starts going around fingering everyone as a cheater (or the cheater himself starts fingering everyone), he gets knocked off. Mob rule is very effective.

    The thing is that game developers are never going to be able to stop people from creating cheats. The effective way to handle cheating is the same way any other real-life game handles cheating. You out the cheater. Unfortunately, game developers haven't developed effective ways to out cheaters, and so, you have a Wild West scenario in online gaming communities. If developers would stop fighting the phenomenon and start understanding it, they might be able to work in more effective coutermeasures.

  3. Social Answers to the Cheating Problem... by trims · · Score: 5

    First off, as others have stated before, the primary technical solution is to never trust the client. The following assumes that all appropriate technical measures have been taken to minimize the change of cheating.

    That said, people will still find a way to cheat. The fundamental reason is that none of the "real-life" barriers to cheating currently exist in the on-line community. This is primarily due to these factors:

    1. No Permanent Indentity - since anyone can be anyone (and, more importantly, one person can have an unlimited number of pseudonyms), applying some penalty to one identity has virtually no effect.
    2. No consistent and methodical punishment system - there essentially is no "legal" system for cheaters. How do we define cheating? How does it get reported? How is one "convicted" of cheating? What happens if you're a cheater?
    3. A social system which currently actively promotes people who cheat - for the most part, people who devise cheats are held in veneration for their technical skills. In order to get the desired recognition, the cheat-maker must widely disseminate their cheat; otherwise, how are people to know how cool they are? This is a phenomena related the cracker groups.

    We can only defeat cheating through a change in the social system. The problem is primarily sociological, not technical. Here's how I'd go about it:

    • Fixed Identities - no, I don't mean you have to be "Bob Jones" on the system, but rather this: when one buys a new game (for $50), you get a serial number. Perhaps an RSA-signed message. When the user tries to log into the online system for the first time, they are required to enter their serial number. They can then generate an identity. The system then associates that Serial Number with the Identity. Thus, if the company terminates the Identity (for whatever reason), the player loses the ability to ever create another Identity. They would face a financial penalty (you have to go buy another copy of the game) for cheating. There are nuances to this (like allowing a person to create another identity if they haven't been terminated, but you all get the idea), but the general idea is to create a system where terminating a player's identity locks them from creating any other identity.
    • Coherent, Simple, Swift Justice - an on-line game should have a obviously-posted cheating policy, defining what is considered cheating (which should change over time as required), and a clearly-spelled out punishment system. There should be a easy way for players to report a cheater, and a defined methodology for "trial" (which could be as ruthless as "We (the company) have the sole discretion to determine your guilt/innocense"). Thus, everyone knows the law, it's easy to report violators, and justice is swift.
    • The on-line community quits handing out accolades based on technical skill alone - we need to start evaluating the ends to which people use their skills, not just the skills themselves. The techie community has long buried its head in the sand over this issue (perhaps because of its close association with the Defense Industry and some unresolved guilt therefrom), but people, there's more here to judge a person on. To use a bad example: Hitler was one of the most efficient and charismatic leaders of the past century. Nazi Germany had probably the best-run (ie most efficient at carrying out stated goals) government in a very long time. Should we emulate them? Admire them?

    We can lick the problem, but it's not all in the game-designers' court. Some of the responsibility lies in the gaming community itself.

    -Erik

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    There are always four sides to every story: your side, their side, the truth, and what really happened.
  4. No Way by NMerriam · · Score: 5

    Cheaters sometimes win?

    Yeah, right, next you'll tell me that winners sometimes use drugs.

    Sorry, michael, but we had a lot of school assemblies about this and you're just wrong.

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  5. Cheat On! by 2MuchC0ffeeMan · · Score: 5

    see, the thing to do is enable cheats for everyone, and see who's the best cheater.

    i wonder how long they will get sick of having god mode on for everyone...

    i can see it now... 'look, i can make you jump with my rocket launcher, hahahahaah' ... i give it 5 minutes.

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  6. Only STUPID cheaters by Omerna · · Score: 5

    sometimes win. Smart cheaters always win.
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  7. PunkBuster by Omerna · · Score: 5

    Available at http://www.PunkBuster.com (to lazy for html) stops many cheats for FPS games. I don't have the full list, but I use it for Counter-Strike. It's free, downloads quickly, and is very effective. (ie: any cheat that's in the program is totally blocked). It does require both the server and client to be running it for it to work :( If it ain't on the server if I have it running it doesn't matter at all.
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  8. Solution is simpler clients, smarter servers by tyoud1 · · Score: 5
    Netrek does not have a large cheating problem. The true state of the game is known only to the server. Clients are given only the information that they would know. Clients use RSA keys to authenticate to the server. If a client is cracked, the client key can be quickly revoked and new clients distributed. If the clients are kept simple, several clients and keys could be distributed on a CD. Most clients would be under 100k. The art and graphics could be shared by all clients and take up the bulk of the CD. If anyone cracks one of the clients, its key can be revoked and there is no need to re-release a new CD. More clients, all randomly linked and encrypted on the disk, can be right there. The main thing is that the server only allows blessed clients to play, and only shares with any connection what it could know.

    I have a separate rant about letting clients know information that they shouldn't, and about letting clients decide what the state of the game is; I will spare you.