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Universe is Flat

D Anderson n'Swaart writes: "BBC News is reporting that a recent experiment called Project Boomerang, conducted with a super-sensitive telescope suspended 40 km above Antarctica, has provided powerful new evidence to support the current trend in scientific thinking that the fabric of space is essentially flat, and not curved as Einstein postulated. The one billion measurements gathered took three weeks to analyse on a Cray T3E supercomputer, and have provided insights on the creation of the universe, and suggest that it will continue to expand indefinitely without collapsing in a Big Crunch."

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  1. Misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5
    ... the current trend in scientific thinking that the fabric of space is essentially flat, and not curved as Einstein postulated
    This seems to imply that scientific thinking is that Einstein's theory of gravity (general relativity) is wrong. That is not true.

    Rather, what it means is this: Einstein's theory predicts that spacetime is curved. However, some curved spacetimes can be sliced up into "space" and "time" in such a way that SPACE is flat. Current scientific thinking is that SPACE is flat in this way (or very close to it) -- spacetime is still curved and the curvature obey's Einstein's equation.

    Of course, it is true that Einstein personally favored a closed universe model in which space is hyperspherical and hence curved, so in that respect the above statement is correct. But Einstein's theory admits many other solutions and experiments favor near-flatness.

  2. Damn! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3


    I got up this morning and discovered that my tire is flat, the coke I opened last night is already flat, my G/F is still flat, ... and now I hear that the whole d*mn*d universe is flat.

    I think I'll spend the day compiling kernels, just to take my mind off my troubles.

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  3. Re:What is gravity then? by pubudu · · Score: 3
    No, because as I noted elsewhere, it's possible for space to be flat while spacetime is still curved. Also, all that is established is that space is on average flat (or very close to it); locally, it is certainly curved (near concentrations of masses like stars and galaxies).

    I think the discovery can be put more precisely without too much confusion. I don't doubt that you understand all that is meant by the universe being "on overage" flat, but the experiment has broader implications than this post makes clear.

    A flat universe is flat in the absense of something that curves it, while a curved universe is curved even in such absense. That is, mass is responsible for all (?) of the curvature (one effect of which is gravity) which we see, in a flat universe. In a curved universe, space is warped even in the absense of a mass (travelling objects appear to be deflected by the gravity of a mass which isn't there).

    We've of course already heard this news about a year ago when the most powerful instruments we had at the time said that the curvature was as close to zero as we could measure. This experiment uses more powerful instruments, confirming that the curvature is even closer to zero than we could accurately say before.

    This is actually one of the few experiments which says that the universe is not as wierd as the wierdest imaginable possibility. A flat universe is what most people expect: things go in straight lines unless something (in this case, gravity) interferes with them. If any of the wierdness that Einstein proposed (trajectories bent by nothing but space itself) actually occurs, it is too small for us to measure.

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  4. Good try, but wrong by JPMH · · Score: 4
    A flat universe is flat in the absense of something that curves it, while a curved universe is curved even in such absense

    You seem to be confusing two issues: (i) the 'average' flatness of the universe, and (ii) the cosmological constant.

    The question of the flatness of the universe question is basically this: if you defined a triangle of geodesics, would the angles in the corners add up to more than 180 degrees (positive curvature: a 2d analogy would be the surface of a sphere); less than 180 degrees (negative curvature, cf the 2d surface of a saddle); or exactly 180 degress (like a 2d sheet of paper).

    It turns out, when you do the sums, that an 'empty' expanding universe would not be flat, but would have negative curvature: two geodesics emerging from a point are pulled away from each other. For an expanding universe to be flat, there has to be enough gravitation attraction to balance this pulling apart. If the average energy density is a little higher, the attraction becomes more important than the divergence, leading to positive curvature and a closed universe.

    These latest results confirm that the universe appears to be either exactly or very nearly flat. This implies that the average energy density is either exactly or very nearly at the critical value. But the amount of visible matter seems to be too small to account for this. So it has been suggested that there is either more mass in the universe than we can see - "dark matter" - or that empty space itself has an energy density (like a quantum particle's zero-point energy). The present results, by indicating that space is flat, tend to support this idea of a missing energy density. This leads to an extra term in the equations, the Cosmological Constant (Lambda), which appears in addition to the energy density terms arising from visible matter and radiation. A flat universe suggests that Lambda is not zero.

    "on average" flat

    Strictly speaking, the discussion above assumes a Friedmann model of the universe. This is a simplified model which assumes that the universe is and remains homogeneous -- the same everywhere, with the same density at every point. Normally in relativity there is no way to say whether events in different places are happening at the same time; but in the Friedmann universe one can use the local density of matter (which is the same everywhere) to define a universal "proper time" co-ordinate. Having nailed down the co-ordinate system, one can then separate the spatial and the temporal aspects of the equations.

    Of course, the universe is not homogeneous when you look at it closely -- every so often you come across a planet or a star or a black hole; and getting too close to the latter can bend geodesics a lot (gravitational lensing). Nobody is suggesting anything but that the universe is curved "up-close". But on a larger length scale the Friedmann approximation seems to work well: very few geodesics will actually pass close by a black hole; most will indeed experience an "average" amount of bending.

  5. Re:I dunno ... the Big Crunch woulda been cool.... by Squiffy · · Score: 3
    Free quarks in a low-energy state? Where did you get this information?

    I was talking to a string theorist friend of mine about this final infinite period in the life of the universe, and we both agreed that all you'd have left is electrons and neutrinos (maybe also protons, but they might not ever decay).

    On a side note, it was already known that the universe would never recollapse. Recent findings show that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, and there is no reason to believe that this acceleration will ever taper off.

    Here's a guy who really seems to know what he's talking about:

    http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/end.html

  6. Cosmology and poetry by ryants · · Score: 3
    Those who were leaning towards the Big Crunch favoured Robert Frost:
    Some say the world will end in fire,
    some say in ice.
    From what I've tasted of desire
    I hold with those who favor fire.
    Those who were leaning towards the "expands forever" idea favoured T. S. Elliot:
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.
    Looks like the Elliot camp wins.

    Ryan T. Sammartino

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    Ryan T. Sammartino
    "Ancora imparo"

  7. Other links by windows · · Score: 5

    Other information on this project can be found here, here (Caltech), or here. This link to Princeton University seems to explain the project much better, at least to me.