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mrsalty writes: "Salon is running an interview with ex-dotcommer Philip Brandes. For a modest fee ($140 US) Brandes will teach you the secret of making money in the skin trade. " Ah, a nice respectable trade -- every parent's dream for their business-school dropout child.

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  1. Ah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Ah, repressed American culture -- every man's dream for their puritanical country. The enterprising businessman selling snake oil for $140 should please these freedom loving souls.

  2. Re:Stop Bashing the Porn Industry by unitron · · Score: 2

    Are you sure you aren't referring to the Salon article which Slashdot linked to, but did not write? Or did you get all bent out of shape over this one sentence? "Ah, a nice respectable trade -- every parent's dream for their business-school dropout child."

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  3. Re:the mods are fucking gay by unitron · · Score: 2

    Then perhaps you'd be happier if you went to some other web site. I'm sure others would as well.

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  4. Re:$140 worth of advice. by unitron · · Score: 2
    You left out the part about putting together a mailing list of the people who asked to be removed (thus verifying that it's a good working address) and your paying customers, and then selling that list (to people looking to sell just about any *other* product or service) as verified and charging a premium price for it.

    Did anyone else notice that this guy basically said he was in other facets of internet-based business, and when that slowed down, well, he had an uncle doing it and knew a guy from high school doing it and watched and learned from him for a while, and then opened a school to teach others how, but never seems to have actually had or run his own site of that sort?

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  5. Re:I know a better way to make money online by garcia · · Score: 2

    there was a girl in one of my classes this summer that would buy items at thrift stores and resell them on Ebay for large profits.. She said she has made $1k+ on a < $50 budget.

  6. Re:Stop Bashing the Porn Industry by SyniK · · Score: 2

    Call me a feminist, but the porn industry is so anti-woman it's disgusting. (To be as fair as possible, isn't the entertainment industry anti-woman as well?). I won't go down the "porn is a substitute for a real healthy relationship", but I can say that porn fucks with your head. In small doses, just like everything, it isn't harmful, but porn is addictive. You need freakier shit to get your jollies, you have strange thoughts about porn in the middle of the day, and more importantly you have a terrible misconception of blow-jobs, women, sex, and relationships. Does porn have a place in society? Sure. Does it deserve to be a 26+ billion dollar industry while it is derogatory to women? Probably not.

    Equal Rights Porn, Now! -- I'm actually fairly serious. Porn should come with disclaimers and crap.

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  7. Supply vs demand? by swb · · Score: 2

    Is there an explanation for the pay inequity? Supply vs. demand? I've known several women I'd call "exhibitionists" who didn't mind being photographed naked for personal/private purposes. I've known several women who would have any kind of sex (oral, anal, dildo, etc) with pretty much anyone at the drop of a hat.

    For most men, getting a woman to have sex off-camera is a bit of a challenge. But fucking a stranger on camera for money? I think it takes a special person to do that. I can imagine that the number of women who would generally be considered physically attractive *and* who will screw for money must be a really small number. Not only is the sex-acting a talent, but the psychological and emotional barriers that have to be crossed are signficant.

  8. From a graduate by inio · · Score: 2

    Heres a page created by one of my friends who has already graduated. I'm actually quite impressed - its definately worth the money.


    Oh, I meant public highschool graduate.

  9. Re:we can no longer suppport your neediness by Rupert · · Score: 2

    This troll is so well fed it's obese! It also happens to be one I agree with.

    Far from speaking for the world, you speak for the rational, non-porn-viewing portion of it, which is vanishingly small. If there weren't a lot of loud mouthed bigots out there telling him he couldn't look at pr0n, he wouldn't need our reassurance that it was OK.

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  10. Who asked you? by jcr · · Score: 2

    > Does it deserve to be a 26+ billion dollar industry while it is derogatory to women? Probably not.

    Does a jock with an IQ of 90 deserve to earn millions for throwing a ball? Do the Spice Girls deserve to be paid more than union scale for shaking their tits and squealing about "girl power"? Do the Backstreet Boys deserve to have records go to number one on the charts just because 13 year-old girls like their posters, and can't tell that they can't sing in tune?

    Probably not, but it's not my decision.

    The long and short of it is, if people want to spend their money on something that's legal, it's none of your business if they do so. Personally, I'd like to see people in general develop much finer taste in many areas, but it ain't gonna happen, and I'm not gonna get an ulcer worrying about it.

    -jcr

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  11. It's been done. by jcr · · Score: 2

    If you spend any time surfing p0rn sites, you'll find a great deal of similarity among them. I even get spam offering porn hosting services.

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  12. How much $? by Velox_SwiftFox · · Score: 2
    From the article:

    "Our average graduate earns anywhere from $500 to $2500 per week".

    It seems like most of the graduates have a very unsteady income. If you include a fraction that make a more consistent paycheck, does that mean the rest have salaries that vary between, say, $100 and $10000 a week?

    That could make calculating withholding taxes kind of iffy.

    1. Re:How much $? by Tim+Macinta · · Score: 3
      Withholding is merely a way for the government to be assured of getting their due via compliance through employers.

      Withholding serves other purposes as well:

      • It actually allows the government to collect more money, or (more accurately) to collect the amount due when it is most valuable. Due to inflation, a dollar today will buy more than it will be able to buy come next April 15th, so the government improves its buying power by collecting early.
      • It allows the government to mask how much of your wealth they are actually taking. Because you never actually have the money that is withheld from your paycheck and because it is taken gradually over the year, you don't get the sticker shock of having to shell over 40% of what you earned last year all at once. I think there was some bill proposed recently that would release employers from the responsibility of withholding taxes specifically so that citizens would be very aware on how much money the government is requiring (as taxpayers would have the money in hand for some time and would therefore experience the loss), but there's no way that's going to pass.

      On a different note, yes, if you are self employed you only have to pay taxes once a year (and you don't have withholdings), but in most cases you will probably want to pay "estimated taxes" quarterly in order to avoid a penalty in April (around 9%, I think).

    2. Re:How much $? by bluephone · · Score: 3
      They aren't your employers, thus, there is no withholding taxes, as such. Nothing is withheld, since you are working for yourself. You pay your taxes on (or before) April 15 with the rest of us who are self employed. Withholding is merely a way for the government to be assured of getting their due via compliance through employers. That's also why most people get a refund at tax time, because the withholding does not calculate your allowable deductions.

      You might be required to calculate your taxes on a quarterly basis, depending on how you set up your financial situation with your state's business laws, and you may choose to set aside a portion of your weekly pay in a separate account for taxes (not a bad idea, and you can give yourself a "refund" at the end of the year after calculating your allowable deductions), but there is no "withholding" as you are used to with a regular weekly/biweekly/semi-monthly/monthly paycheck.

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  13. Re:If it works why is he doing this? by dimator · · Score: 2

    "If it works so well why the hell are you not off doing that?"

    Reminds me of the guy (urban legend?) who took out a newspaper ad saying "Send me $1, and I'll tell you how to make millions." To every $1 donater, he sent a letter saying "Do what I did: take out a newspaper ad, "


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  14. Re:Let's ask the oracle, eh? by dimator · · Score: 2

    Personally, I think girl/girl scenes are a little boring. I mean, what's the punch line, what's the climax, what's the ending, what's the point?

    I can't sit through a "Where the boys arent" for the life of me...

    (I'm not afraid to admit either, no Anonymous posting for me!)


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  15. I've got a great idea for porn by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    With the HMDs that are coming out now, 3D streaming porn is a very real possibility. After all, you need some way to differentiate yourself from all the other porn peddlers. Something that will get the viewer's attention! Mark my words, 3D porn is the wave of the future!

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  16. If it's got a price tag, it's moral, dammit! by sg3000 · · Score: 2

    > The long and short of it is, if people want to
    > spend their money on something that's legal,
    > it's none of your business if they do so.

    That's the attitude that made this country great! If you can slap a price tag on it, it's moral. If people choose to buy slaves, buy land from the government despite any agreements with the natives, or -- for these days -- buy a congressman or a president or a Furby, it's none of yer business. So get yer do-goodin', high-falutin' attitude back to your fairytale land, and pass me some kleenex!

    I personally think it's kind of disgusting that porn is the big business it is. Erotica is one thing -- it should be free and not be censored -- but there's something wrong with our society when you can have MPEGs of "HOT YOUNG BARELY LEGAL TEENS" and "HOT BONDAGE AND RAPE PICS!" considered to be a mainstream business. The porn industry does degrade women, and the hot "barely legal" pics promotes the idea of child porn. So while it's legal in the US, that doesn't make it morally right.

    So to the guy who complained that slashdotters were knocking the porn industry: while the US Constitution guarantees porn as free speech, it gives the rest of us the right to label you as a pervert.


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  17. Re:Misguided by vague · · Score: 2
    And if my memory doesn't serve me wrong said Traci has also said some stuff about how Used, Abused, Dirty, and generally Bad she feels when she thinks back. She did it willingly and certainly made plenty of dough, but from that interview it sure sounded like she felt it had destroyed her relationship with both her own body and with sex in general, talking about how she took long showers all time time because over time it just broke her mentally. Things getting progressivly worse through her career as it became harder and harder to shut out the reality of letting a important part of her private sphere be exploited byt herself and others. Or something like that :-/

    She's certainly a great testament to how good the porn industry can be for someone don't you think?

    I wouldn't mind the porn (and I don't on moral grounds) if it wasn't for the porn industry and what it does to a lot of the people involved. It's not a nice place to be and it eats away at people's lives, minds, and bodies. Not everyone all the time, but too many too much of the time. Yes, drugs play a role, but in parts it's a symptom and not the sole cause. Porn/drug, drugs/porn, in the industry I believe they have a incestual relationship:-/ Why do they do drugs? Could it possibly be that some of them don't feel 100% a OK about living the way they do and need the escape? That they are activly encouraged to (boogie nights reference)? Why do they do more porn then? Well, drugs aren't cheap ya'know.

    And for some reason it strikes me as a bad idea that someone (the movie directors/owners/disitributors) actually stand to gain money from their employees being hooked on sunstance abuse. Does that sound like the basis for a healthy industry/relationship?

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  18. Re:Porn industry by Dr_Cheeks · · Score: 2
    What will happen though when the pornography industry gets super saturated by thousands of people using this persons plan.
    Well, then he'll start offering get rich quick classes to gullible fools in "Offering Get Rich Quick Classes To Gullible Fools About Making Your Fortune From Pr0n". And when that market is saturated then he'll offer classes in offering classes about offering classes.....

    I think you get the idea. I'm planning on beating all of this by offering classes in how to rip off idiots left, right and centre on the internet by appealing to their most basic desires like pr0n and getting rich quick. What will these classes consist of? Well, I'll send out a short email to subscribers saying "This is lesson one; pay attention and learn from your experience", then do nothing else. Well, other than spend their money on champagne, bimbos, cars, and a really nice workstation.

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  19. Re:Windows Only! by mdw2 · · Score: 2

    a pr0n site would fit perfectly at freshmeat.net :) They've already got the perfect domain name.

    Want some indy electronic (and other) music?

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  20. If you really want to learn about the industry... by aiken_d · · Score: 2

    ....Don't pay some self-appointed hotshot $140. Go to Internext. You'll learn infinitely more, from more qualified people. It costs a tiny bit more, but it's well worth it.

    This isn't a great time to get into the industry, though. There's still tons of money, of course, but even porn is going through something of a consolidation. There's not a lot of room for "just another small porn site" businesses. Now, if you've got the proverbial better mousetrap, there's always money to be made. Of course, that's true in the mainstream as well.

    Heck, I'll let you in on a little secret about porn spammers, while I'm at it. You know what? They don't really make any money. Between having their sites shut down, constantly looking for open relays or bouncing between service providers.... they probably put in twice the energy that legitimate porn sites do, and make about one one-hundredth the revenue. I almost feel sorry for them; they're just gullible people who believe that there's such a thing as "get rich quick." There ain't, in porn or any other business.

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  21. Re:No, you have it backwards, or at least not anym by small_dick · · Score: 2

    That's funny, I would swear that in the heyday of porn, Ron Jeremy and John Holmes were cranking in the dough, with a variety of no-name starlets (who were, presumably making quite a bit less).

    I think I read something about holmes where he was getting offered about $500 a pop on a regular basis at the bar he hung (sorry) out in ... from LA women who 'just wanted to try it'.

    My guess is women have a lot wider variety of ways to make money now besides being a sex worker...that may have dropped the pool of female sex workers, and raised the price?

    Dunno. I'm not all that into porn except for maybe a few minutes a day, if you know what I mean...curious about things on the 'other side' I guess.




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  22. How to be successful by icqqm · · Score: 2

    1. Get rich investors to give you millions
    2. Come up with way to lose lots of money online
    3. Give yourself a HUGE salary
    4. Lose all investors' money, close up shop blaming market conditions
    5. Restart from 1.

  23. Oh no! by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 2
    Does this mean the "Get Rich Quick Using Your Internet Connection" schemes don't work then?

    DAMN! Back to work for me...

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  24. Re:Windows Only! by Faux_Pseudo · · Score: 2

    I have always thought we should have a pr0n suit.
    Make the backend so that it will compile with ncurses or gtk or qt. The interface would be something like if you where to take a MC/Xtree interface and add an image viewer field. Inside that field you should be able to see the full range of jpgs, bmps, png, etc as will as mpgs, avis, movs, rms, etc.

    The problem is that I have as of yet to see a console app that could even be hacked to do this. The available image viewers like zgv, fbi, fbview, seejpeg and even jpig (jpeg to ASCII for ASCII pr0n) all take up the whole screen and have no built in menuing capability. There is only one mpeg viewer for the command line and its still in early beta testing.

    Hackers consume more porn than anyone does (mostly because we know the nntp will supply unlimited amounts of it for free) and we should have a Pr0n 'O' Matic application that is capable of a lot of cool tricks. Until we can tell Joe Win user that we have the best porn viewing software we will never win the desktop war. Linux has conquored the porn server market and now its time for us to hit the desktop.

  25. Pay less for more by asv108 · · Score: 2
    Why by the web porn web course??

    When you can buy the Internet Toolbox that is endorsed by This Dotcom Billionare and Internet Expert.

  26. Re:Stop Bashing the Porn Industry by cthugha · · Score: 2

    There is nothing wrong with porn.

    Well, there is the issue of all that wasted bandwidth that could have been used for much more useful things, such as downloading and trying different distros/packages...

    Seriously, very few people here are for banning porn, or even think that it's necessarily immoral. It's just that we thought the Interent would be used to achieve, well, loftier goals, like the creation of a global society based on the exchange of ideas and knowledge. The fact that it's primary role is that of a giant porn server is a bit of a let-down, so to speak.

  27. Re:Or, as Dogbert puts it by agentZ · · Score: 2

    Unless your "secret" for getting rich is selling that secret to other people.

  28. Re:Stop Bashing the Porn Industry by sdo1 · · Score: 2
    ...but there are plenty of people who abuse alcohol and tobacco and guns and cars, too. Shouldn't the self-proclaimed moralists go after those things as well?

    Uhhhh... apparently you haven't noticed. The self-proclaimed moralists DO go after those things.

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  29. OR become a white slaver... by Kasreyn · · Score: 2

    ...as Satirewire shows us, this is far superior, morally, to being a dot-com CEO. =P

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  30. Re:Stop Bashing the Porn Industry by Fat+Casper · · Score: 2
    Why? Nobody here would advocate trying to stop it, but damn few have any respect for it, or them. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to knock those fine, upstanding spammers who brought us pop-up windows.


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  31. Porn is a tough mistress by perlchimp · · Score: 2

    I spent last year working for a porn company and this year looking back. You think it's easy? Go read Porncity BBS for a few weeks and you won't be so excited. Most people who start a pay site get killed by unexpectedly high bandwidth bills( my company paid 250K/month before it took them out) or they find out it's too much work to post to TGPs(thumbnail gallery posts) or to make AVS sites(adult verification sites). A porn site requires a lot of work, a lot of money, or both. Especially if you want to make a living out of it.

  32. Get rich quick! by 00Monkey · · Score: 2

    Rule #1: Don't buy stuff from people who are trying to teach you how to get rich quick!

  33. Stop posting before reading the comments by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    I just went through the whole list of comments and I don't see any indictments of the porn industry. I see a number of trolls, a number of jokers, a good number of people pointing out that if the scheme was so brilliant, why isn't this guy getting rich on it, but no posts other than one below yours that even seem to remotly slam the porn industry. Perhaps you should actually read the posts before jumping to conclusions on what they say.

  34. My pardons by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    Sorry, sarcasm is sometimes hard to pick up in written media. I've just seen this kind of thing before, people jumping to conclusions about what they think others will say. Again, my apologies.

  35. Mom, Could I Have A $140... by robbyjo · · Score: 2
    for an open e-commerce course? I'll promise to return at least $500 per week...

    Mom: Where's the website son?

    Son: Here...

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  36. I take it you are one of these people? by Monkeychunks · · Score: 2

    Look, that's the greatest load of twoddle I have ever heard. You have this jaded notion that the porn market exists for people who aren't in the best position to find a sexual partner. Let me clue you in sonny, because you have this ass backwards.

    I keep porn. I also have a live-in partner. There's not a damn thing wrong with our sexual relationship, in fact, it's the envy of our friends. We also make no bones about the fact that I keep porn, and she keeps sex toys.

    Why?

    Because we can't schedule hormones, that's nature's job. We work diferent hours, Often I'm tired or she's tired, and of course, her period... So, this is why this stuff has a place in ANY relationship. Of course there is also the benefit of having this stuff around as an extra kink to add to the mix, but basically it's there as a handy (ROTTEN pun) stand in.

    Anyway, you seem very tense. You should have had a wank, innit? :)

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  37. He may as well have started a slumlord school by Mr.+Muse · · Score: 2

    This isn't funny at all, it's pathetic. He tried, and failed, to cash in on the boom of '99 so now he's reverted to what he was good at as a kid: Being a sleaze-bag.

    "In seventh grade, I would sell online reports"
    Translation: I've been a cheater since way back when.

    "I come from a pretty conservative family. I never even thought about any of this."
    ...
    "my poor mom -- my uncle [started operating a porn] pay site about three years ago. It's huge."
    Translation: My family has been lying to themselves for as long as I can remember. I'm so good at lying, I can even convince myself.

    "adult people have always been one step ahead of the search engines, the way to spam things, the way to market things."
    Translation: The online-sleaze industry has lots of folks experience at exploiting existing technology written by naive geeks.


    The saddest thing is, there's every chance this guy won't starve to death.


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  38. If it works why is he doing this? by RichMan · · Score: 3

    The first question to anyone who is "selling" a get rich scheme is "If it works so well why the hell are you not off doing that?" The only benefit I have ever noticed to the get rich schemes is that it seems more possible to make money selling "how to get rich" schemes than one can make of the actual scheme.

    The second question is "How saturated is the market?" In general a market will saturate. Here is a question for slashdot, Do you think the skintrade will ever saturate?

    1. Re:If it works why is he doing this? by Angry+Toad · · Score: 3


      Damn good question. My suspicion is that if there are people selling "How To Make A Million Really Fast In Internet Porn" classes, then we're probably pretty close to the saturation point.

    2. Re:If it works why is he doing this? by agdv · · Score: 5

      Damn good question. My suspicion is that if there are people selling "How To Make A Million Really Fast In Internet Porn" classes, then we're probably pretty close to the saturation point.

      What you don't know is that he's making this offer after attending a "How to make money fast selling 'how to make money fast' courses" course.

  39. For $1.00 I'll do the same by joq · · Score: 3


    Click here for an online porn staffing company like HotJobs. Fine then don't send me a dollar cheap basta...

  40. porn actors/actresses by small_dick · · Score: 3

    back in the day, males made way more money than females, i wonder if that's still true and why.



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  41. Re:Just goes to show you by Faux_Pseudo · · Score: 3

    When I read that part of the article I had fond memories of my school days.
    Middle school: go downtown to the newspaper stands in front of the court house and put a dollar in and get a fist full of the swingers papers. Sell them for $2 each to suburban peers.
    High school: I would sell 2 cartons of cigs a day. GPC/Basic: .10 each or $2 a pack. Name Brand: .25 each or $4 a pack. I didn't start smoking until 3 years after I graduated because a dealer doesn't make money if they sample the merchandise.
    Collage: Go to the major Magic the Gathering (Tragic the Addiction) tournaments and by rare cards for cheap and then sell them to suburban peers at "book" rate. Not dishonest or illegal but very profitable.

    Now I am all grown up and have a much better moral code. Ah to be young and non-prosecutable and without a conscious again.

    Spell checked for your sanity.

  42. welcome to the world by streetlawyer · · Score: 3
    Your proposal: Spend a lot of time and effort putting together a high-quality product and sell it for a fair price.

    His proposal: Entice people in with the prospect of quick and easy gratification and then charge them $1000.

    On of you is in tune with the porn industry. I'm guessing it's him.

    1. Re:welcome to the world by tcc · · Score: 4

      Well... it's p0rn, what do you expect? no one to get screwed? :)

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  43. Or, as Dogbert puts it by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3
    "Beware of the advice of successful people, we do not want for company."

    Basically, if I had a surefire way to get rich, I'd sure not share it because the last thing I'd want is competition keeping me from cashing in.

  44. Stop Bashing the Porn Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4

    Slashdot is progressive enough in other areas, so why is it that this article seems to be slanted against porn site operators? Why the condescending "Oh, that's a nice field to be working in" attitude? There is nothing wrong with porn. A healthy sex drive is exactly that -- healthy. Oh, sure .. some people abuse pornography, but there are plenty of people who abuse alcohol and tobacco and guns and cars, too. Shouldn't the self-proclaimed moralists go after those things as well?

    The type of mindset that is espoused by the anti-porn crusaders is actually a dangerous one. For an example of this idea taken to its logical extreme, look at the Middle Ages. During this time it was considered a "sin" to expose the body -- even to one's self. The result? Bathing and basic hygiene were virtually nonexistant. It was attitudes like this that led to the spread of the Black Plague and other diseases that decimated Europe.

    I've got some advice for the anti-porn types. Are you sitting down? Here it is: Don't look at porn! If you hate porn, and those involved in the industry, fine. Hate away. Knock yourself out. But stop trying to run the lives of mature adults who are thinking for themselves. If you want to embark on your anti-porn fight, go ahead. Just remember that attitudes like this have caused billions of deaths over the course of human history. That these attitudes still exist in the year 2001 is a source of endless amazement to me.

  45. Let's ask the oracle, eh? by legLess · · Score: 4
    Women make a shit-load more in straight porn than men do. Let's ask Asia Carrera (you know who she is, right?). The following excerpt is from her site, designed and built by Asia herself. She's a member of Mensa, and a true geek (she runs Red Hat, not Debian, but no one's perfect, right?). From right here
    How much do adult film stars make?

    This must be the only place in the world where guys get paid less than girls, and we call all the shots. (feminists take note!) Guys get a couple hundred per scene. New girls can get between five and six hundred for a boy/girl scene, and the rate jumps as you become a bigger star. Contract girls get paid by the movie, instead of by the scene, and they make thousands of dollars per movie. Then the stars go on the road dancing, which earns from $2500-$15,000 a week, not including tips, polaroids, etc. It's good money, but remember, when you're still working at 40 or 50, we're out of a job!



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  46. Just goes to show you by Lothar+0 · · Score: 4
    In seventh grade, I would sell online reports to my friends -- e-commerce back when there wasn't e-commerce.

    Hmmm, pitiful lack of ethics and total disregard for academic knowledge. A CEO with potential.

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  47. Windows Only! by Old-Claimjumper · · Score: 4
    All you need is ... a Windows PC ...

    That's It! It's time for Open Source p0rn. We'll never take over the Desktop of the typical computer user without it.

    Who's up to starting a project for GPL'd thumbnail gallery of Fake Transvestite BSD'ers, or maybe a BSD Licensed repository of retouched Commie FSF folks on Centerfold bodies?

    Maybe A Kp0rn vs GTKsmut package battle is just what we need to heat up the old interface wars.

    Maybe a category of our own on FreshMeat...

    If this guy can make money off of it anyone can. This is just what we need to prove to the American Business community that Free Open Source smut can mix with the Commercial version without conflict.

    It's a call to arms! Who's with me?

  48. Re:$140 worth of advice. by nasalgoat · · Score: 5
    Seeing as I run a number of successful porn sites, I thought I might comment on the over-simplifications mentioned here.

    Everyone seems to think that running a porn website is the easiest job in the world - I am here to tell you it is *far, far* more complicated than you imagine. Much of this complication stems from the very business itself.

    Any nimrod can set up a picture viewer. It's a little more complicated than that, but essentially your average script kiddie can get the physical site up. The problems being when you start trying to *take credit cards*.

    There are a number of online credit card processing companies, but very, very few that are really willing to take on "adult sites" due to the rampant CC fraud and chargeback problems.

    Most processors will accept up to 10% chargebacks from "normal" sites, like say your Amazon.coms and whatnot. For those that don't know, a "chargeback" is the reversal of a CC charge, instigated by the card holder or the CC company itself. For example, if Joe Sixpack sees a charge on his card, he'll call the CC company and go "I didn't make that!" and the CC company will reverse it. This is a chargeback. The processor is responsible for these costs.

    The CC companies, like Visa, will allow a certain amount of this to take place before cutting off the middleman processor. It is the processor's job to maintain this ratio.

    However, because of the business of adult content, and the chargeback issues, adult sites are usually only allowed a maximum of 1% chargebacks before being "cut off" by a processor. 1% is not a lot, only 1 in 100. It is very, very easy to get cut off by a processor because of this.

    What we do is rotate processors, sending one client to one and another to a different processor, hoping to spread the chargebacks across several processors. Even still, we lose a processor about once every few months.

    So, the process of managing processors, and the customer service issues with that, plus filtering out known deadbeats, is a major issue - let alone user management. It is *not* easy.

    Next, you have the issue of hacking. Since porn is "dirty", no one feels bad about attempting to steal it. That means we are *constantly* under attack from people attempting to hack in, or who share passwords, or attempt to guess passwords - all kinds of attacks on our system. The system we use to filter out these people is all custom-written C code, apache modules, perl, and firewall configs, and is *not simple*.

    Bandwidth is not cheap. Our bandwidth costs for our few sites is on average about $7,500 a month. On top of that, the systems required to pump out those dirty pictures rivals that of the national ISPs I've managed. The layers of servers, cache machines, firewalls, traffic shapers, etc. is *not simple*.

    After all that is said and done, the final issue is competition - this is a cut-throat business, with *millions* of sites competing for eyeballs. Making your site stand out in that is a full time job.

    When people ask me how to get into online porn, I tell them, "don't. It's too late." They think it's as easy as throwing up a page and waiting for the cash to roll in - it ain't. Trust me.

  49. $140 worth of advice. by Restil · · Score: 5

    Ok. I'm going to spill all his secrets. This is how you start and operate your very own fly by night porn site. Take notes, there will be a quiz sometime maybe.

    First, you need something to offer on your porn site. Most porn sites involve to some degree pictures of naked women (there are exceptions, I know). There are various ways to accomplish this. You can buy yourself a camera, go up to random women and offer them a wad of cash to take their clothes off, and repeat until you find one that doesn't slap you and run away screaming. This is your porn star.

    Take a bunch of pictures of her and now you have content. But wait.. This takes too much work, and besides, it will actually COST YOU MONEY!!! We wouldn't want to actually invest anything in this. The 4 hours you're going to spend setting it up and all that time you're going to spend depositing money in the bank is going to take too much of your time, spending extra money on it just seems like a waste.

    Thankfully, there is no need. Just go to Usenet. There is a treasure trove of prescanned pictures available in every variety you would ever need. Of course, most of these pictures are copyrighted, but thats not your problem. You're here to make money in the porn industry, and don't let laws, morals, ethics, or your standing in the community slow you down. Simply stea... err.. aquire as many pictures as you think you will need. Now its time to set up your web page!!!

    You can invest in a server at a porn friendly ISP, pay a premium for bandwidth because they know you will have the most popular site they host (except for all the other porn sites). Pay through the nose and watch the orders trickle in...

    WAIT!!! What am I saying!! No.. don't bother spending money on that expensive crap. Do what all the other thriving porn sites do. USE GEOCITIES!! Don't mind any disclaimers you see that prohibit exactly your site. This is not your concern. You're here to make money. Don't let guilt of abusing a free service get in the way!

    Now you've got a place for your site, and you've uploaded all your pictures. Now you need a flashy front page. Exactly the page that no man with properly functioning anatomy will be able to look away from. This means you need LOTS of BIG WORDS IN CAPS that declare that you are offering not just any regular old porn, but the most nasty wet obscene and most likely illegal porn that has ever existed. And its only available on your site!

    Make sure you mention that there are hot teen bitches that want you now, and other phrases that nobody can possibly refuse. All over this front page, you need lots of pictures of exciting beautiful girls (that you walked out on the street and took pictures of) and claim that all of them are naked inside. It doesn't matter if they're not, by the time the suckers find out, YOU WILL ALREADY HAVE THEIR MONEY! Of course, you don't want any children in your nasty porn site, so you better get one of their age verification passwords, or two or three of them just to be on the safe side, since this is a REALLY nasty site. Of course, unknown to the 3 new people that joined the internet this week, age verification systems are just a kickback scheme and do nothing to actually prevent minors, but thats not really your concern. You've done your part.

    Now, while your site is the very best there ever was, its possible that you might not appeal to absolutely everyone. For this reason, you should make several front pages, each with a slightly different theme. Just in case some people enjoy men in leather rather than hot teen bitches. No matter. Simply set up a javascript function so when they close the window, it will automatically bring up the next page. I mean, these people intentionally went to your porn site, they're gonna get some porn, no matter what. We'll just keep rotating pages until they find one that they like.

    And last but not least, you'll need visitors. The best and least expensive way to do this is sending email to everyone on the internet telling them all about it. People want you to do this. They all want to get into your porn site, I mean... who wouldn't? They've just been unfortunate enough not to hear about it yet, and most of them will be extremely happy you dropped them a short 100k email to tell them about it. A few of these people might send you email back telling you to remove them from your list. Of course, they're just probably doing that because their wife or girlfriend was hovering over them and made them write it. Secretly they want to get into your site, so you might as well send them more email so they'll be able to catch it the second time around. Don't forget to post about your site in every newsgroup on usenet too, and on web page forums, and anywhere else you can find. Just make sure you don't spend any actual money on it. That would cut into your profits, and we wouldn't want that.

    Ok. Thats it. You now have a fully functional high volume popular porn site. I don't think I left anything out, but if I did, I'm sure its not important. That'll be $140. Cash please.

    -Restil

    :)

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  50. we can no longer suppport your neediness by streetlawyer · · Score: 5
    Speaking for the world here, nobody wants to stop you from looking at porn, nor even from wanking while you do it.

    We're just saying that we're sick and tired of having to also keep on reassuring you that we think you're a swell guy for doing so. In actual fact, we think you're a little bit of a bore (like the guy who spends all his time with his stamp collection), and that you tend to make some fairly silly political arguments. We also think that your industry is not "nice", since it involves the transformation of something which is generally at its best when performed as a mutual, co-operative act into a solitary, commercial transaction. But we usually don't like to say so.

    The thing is, if you don't like criticism of pornography (or masturbation thereto), as you say, Don't read it! We have no problem not looking at pornography; we're not obsessed (you're confusing us with you). But you don't seem to be able to exist without constant reassurance that you don't need to be ashamed of anything. And that's becoming a little bit tiresome for us to provide. From now on, you're on your own. Whether you feel ashamed or not of your habit is entirely your own decision, and you can no longer count on us to tell you that porn is A-OK. Sorry and all that, but it's tough love.

    Wanker.

  51. Pornography Sevices.... by SexPig · · Score: 5
    A better idea...

    Build a content-management system geared towards porography with an e-commerce engine, graphics-rendering system, tracking system, etc. Once the software is in place, charge for the class as this fellow is doing and also have higher-end classes for customization of the backend (Interwoven & Vignette rack in alot of bucks doing this). One could also then hire out consultants for customization which the less tech-savy would need (such as WebCrossings does).

    Another route would be to set up an ASP solution by investing in the hardware and "hosting" multiple porn sites under common engines. One could take a cut of the proceeds and also charge monthly fees for hosting & cc-processing.

    Pretty sad that these ideas would work where it's a flop under other businesses, eh?

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