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Can Anyone Identify this (Cold War?) Stuff?

An Anonymous Coward was left with some interesting pieces of hardware he would like some help identifying: "I work on the Yale Solar Racing Team. Recently we were cleaning out our electronics lab and found two ancient-looking boxes that, as the team legend says, originated in an ICBM somewhere and somehow got donated to us!"

"Can anyone tell us what these are:

  • A Model 4006 PCM Decommutator (big white box, many toggle switches... it, apparently, decommutates things)


  • and

  • A Model 760 Hybrid Data Measurement System (little orange box, connectors, no switches)
More to the point, for a cash-strapped undergraduate engineering team, are they worth any money?"

17 comments

  1. Re:Decommutator by K-Man · · Score: 2

    My first job after college used a "Remote Multiplexer/Demultiplexer" from Teledyne(?). Is this the same thing? IIRC this box was solid state (and large) and had additional capabilities, like sending out control signals during the cycle. Unfortunately it tended to overcycle by one instruction, meaning it would latch on things that were supposed to be latched off at the end of a sampling run. Many nights of fun with the oscilloscope.

    And yes, by the time I worked on this box it was obsolete, in the mid-80's.

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  2. Re:Thinking outside the (orange) fireball by Detritus · · Score: 4
    Actually, it was probably used for monitoring the health of the missile while it was sitting inside its silo. Most large missiles and launch vehicles have a "hardline" telemetry connection between the missile and the launch control center. This is just an electrical cable that plugs into the side or bottom of the missile. This allows the launch control center to test and monitor the missile before they push the big red button.

    ICBMs usually only have RF telemetry systems installed when they are being test launched from one of the ranges (Cape Canaveral or Vandenberg). The USAF does this on a regular basis. They pull a Minuteman missile from a silo, remove the nuclear weapons, add RF telemetry and range safety systems, and launch it from Vandenberg. If you see a film clip in a movie of an ICBM launch, it was probably one of these tests.

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  3. PCM Decommutators by Detritus · · Score: 5
    I am probably the only person on Slashdot who has programmed PCM decommutators. PCM decommutators are used to strip and display parameters from telemetry downlinks. They are used with satellites, launch vehicles, aircraft and missile tests, even race cars.

    The model number is not familiar to me. Do you know the manufacturer?

    I doubt that it is worth more than scrap. Most standalone PCM decommutators have been replaced with ISA or PCI cards that fit into a PC. These are made by Aydin, Avtec, L3 and other companies.

    Some of the old PCM decommutators are interesting from a computer architecture point of view. They were very specialized computers that could process multi-megabit telemetry streams in real-time, using hardware built out of 7400 series TTL with magnetic core memory, running at a low (1 MHz ballpark) clock rate. A single instruction could input a telemetry word from a serial/parallel convertor and send it to multiple output devices. It was common to have multiple program counters, with each instruction having a field that specified which program counter to use for fetching the next instruction.

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  4. I'd love to be a fly on the wall... by wirefarm · · Score: 3

    When the Herley.com webmaster is looking over the logs from the site on Monday -
    35,000 hits on some obsolete piece of hardware's page...
    Someone send the poor guy an email.

    Jim

    MMDC Mobile Media

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    1. Re:I'd love to be a fly on the wall... by B.+Samedi · · Score: 1

      Now I'd like to be a fly on the wall when he get's 35,000 emails telling him what's going on...

  5. Thinking outside the (orange) box by Xeger · · Score: 4

    Herley-Metraplex has this to say about their fine orange-boxed Hybrid Data Measurement System:

    "Integrates signal conditioning, calibration, analog and digital multiplexing, avionics bus monitoring, PCM encoding, and many other functions into one compact rugged package."

    What we have here is a box that will sample a number of analog signals (up to 32 of them) and encode them into PCM digital signals.

    Together with a commutator, the orange box would have been used to relay telemetry signals via radio from an ICBM, aircraft, kayak, bicycle or other craft, to patient listeners. A decommutator such as yours would decode the telemetry stream and some sort of display hardware (such as a computer) would interpret the telemetry, and produce photogenic graphs and charts for the pleasure of onlooking engineers with buzzcuts and pocket protectors.

    Although it's distinctly possible that your boxes could have been used in an ICBM, they could also have been used in any other vehicle that incorporates electronics or cybernetic control systems. Aerospace is, however, the field where you'll find most of these vehicles. Have you checked to see if the boxes glow in the dark? That's always a good tell-tale sign of ICBM involvement. =]

    PCM, as many Slashdotters know, stands for "pulse code modulation" and is the encoding technique used natively by your sound card. Your sound card is a fancy digital-to-analog converter whose job is to take PCM waveforms and convert them back into an analog signal which drives a speaker. The speaker vibrates, and out comes music, or speech, or whatnot.

  6. Thinking outside the (orange) fireball by SEWilco · · Score: 1
    So if this did come from an ICBM, it is useful for listening to the signals from that model of ICBM while it is in flight.

    Plug it in and hope it never works.

    1. Re:Thinking outside the (orange) fireball by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah. I forgot that ICBMs are designed to be self-contained and don't need any radio links to the ground. Unless they really do have radio-operated self-destruct devices (a Hollywood favorite) -- we civilians don't have need to know if such devices exist (yes, I know the risks and technical difficulties involved).

  7. Decommutator by BigJim.fr · · Score: 2

    From http://www.herley.com/Herley-Metraplex/www/irigpcm .htm : Early telemetry systems transmitted analog voltages using a commutator (rotary switch) at one end and a synchronized decommutator at the other end. We still use the words commutator and decommutator though most telemetry systems today use electronic switches and send digital data.

  8. Post link to photos? by anticypher · · Score: 2

    Could you at least post a link to some photos, so we can see what these look like?

    Of course, a little orange box is probably just that. :-)

    But depending on what the size and style of connecters and switches look like, could tell some of us old geeks the approximate age of these boxes. The reality is probably that you have some ancient, worthless, non-functional, black-boxes. A decommutator is the receiving end of a commutator, a device for muxing analog signals. The pair would use two channels (either RF or wireline), one to keep the boxes in synch, one to pass the signals. Complex comm/decom units could pass dozens or hundreds of signals in a timesliced fashion. Great for remote telemetry where you just need the occasional sample of hundreds of voltages.

    Sell them on e-bay, buy me a beer :-)

    the AC

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  9. You could always... by matthewd · · Score: 1

    ... put these parts in a shoddy bomb casing, and trade it to some Lybian nationalists for some plutonium.

    1. Re:You could always... by enneff · · Score: 1

      Only useful if you've got a time machine to make a quick getaway when they realise you fucked with them ;)


  10. Holy Sh*t! by MikeApp · · Score: 3

    Does this mean that the Swedes have nukes?!

    1. Re:Holy Sh*t! by clacke · · Score: 2

      Invade us, and find out for yourself..

  11. Possible answer by jrwillis · · Score: 1

    I have a buddy that was in this field during the cold war and even worked for "No Such Agency" for a while as well as working on the telemetry systems for the Mercury space program, and he says that a PCM decommutator basicly samples output from various devices and combines it into one output stream for telemetry. According to him your legend of it coming out of an ICBM is quite possible. You might get a good amount for it on ebay for it's historical value if you can tell people what it is. I hope this has helped you out.

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  12. It came from Outer Space? by vertical_98 · · Score: 2

    A simple goggle search found this.

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  13. Does your orange box look like this? by vertical_98 · · Score: 2

    Another simple goggle search. "Hybrid Data Measurement System"

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