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Another Space Tourist For Russia

Michael Wallis writes: "Just saw a story on AllNews.ru (in English) announcing South African Internet millionaire Mark Shuttleworth is in training to be the second space tourist. This just two days after the head of the Russian space program said in Quebec that there would be no more tourists to ISS until 2006. Guess Mark will just fly a Soyez to orbit for a few days."

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  1. He's not the only one by Skip · · Score: 2

    They interviewed Mark on the radio here in SA the other day and he said the place is packed with American also training to go into space. So it looks like Dennis Tito won't be the only American forgoing NASA to get into space.
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  2. TANJ! It makes me angry! by farrellj · · Score: 2

    When will the stupid Fcks in the US Government realize there are hundreds of thousands of people who would pay just about anything to get into space, even if only for a few minutes! I admit, I am one...and I personally know hundreds of others.

    So, we have the Russians taking advantage of this,and NASA choosing bad shuttle replacement technology, then scrapping the program...and a huge market just waiting to be opened up! Ask an around about how much something that has been in space is worth. Every shuttle crew that goes up has a personal allowence for each member, and many times they take up stuff to re-sell for thousands of dollars stuff that only cost tens of dollars.

    Then we get NASA and the US Government refusing to allow private launches so that people have to go off-shore to launch to try to claim the X Prize!!! ARRGGHHH!!!

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    1. Re:TANJ! It makes me angry! by John+Carmack · · Score: 2

      >Then we get NASA and the US Government refusing
      >to allow private launches so that people have to
      >go off-shore to launch to try to claim the X
      >Prize!!!

      Actually, it's worse than that.

      The US government (NASA doesn't have anything to do with it) claims authority over all actions of its citizens, even when they aren't inside national boundaries.

      If you launched an X-Prize vehicle from another country or from international waters without getting FAA/AST clearance, you are still in trouble (and wouldn't be eligable for the prize).

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  3. How long will training take? by iabervon · · Score: 2

    It's certainly possible that, if they're not starting with someone who already has a clue, it will actually take 5 years to train them enough to put them on a spacecraft. So, just because this was announced now doesn't mean they won't put him on the ISS when it's done in 2006.

    In any case, assuming someday space travel becomes a part of everyday life, it will be important to know how people who aren't specially selected to go into space have to be prepared, so this is, additionally, important research.

    1. Re:How long will training take? by iabervon · · Score: 2

      On a 747, they train you how to deal with an emergency before takeoff. In a spacecraft, I imagine the procedures are a bit more complicated. Even if everything goes well, the safety procedures are much more important (in a 747, you'll get a sore neck if you stare out the window during takeoff; doing the wrong thing during launch would certainly be much worse).

      Assuming you're going to do much of anything when you're up there, you'll need to be trained for it. On a 747, you generally are just trying to get somewhere; if you're going to be in space for a bit, you're going to have to know how to move around without gravity without crashing into things, how to eat and drink, and so forth. On a 747, things behave much like they do on the ground.

      I don't really think anyone would sign up for a trip into space where they'll spend the entire time strapped into their seat out of the way. Especially because that's a rather long time to not get to go to the bathroom.

    2. Re:How long will training take? by SpinyNorman · · Score: 3

      You don't have to learn to fly a 747 to be a passenger in one, so why should a space tourist be any different? Obvuiously the risk level is different, but assuming he's signed appropriate waivers, then all they need to be assured of is that he isn't a whacko and wouldn't freak out in an emergency and endanger the other astronauts... which come to think of it is rather hard to guarantee if you don't have the military/astronaut discipline background...

    3. Re:How long will training take? by nick_davison · · Score: 2
      "isn't a whacko and wouldn't freak out in an emergency and endanger the other astronauts... which come to think of it is rather hard to guarantee if you don't have the military/astronaut discipline."

      Ah, yes. Nothing like those military backgrounds for guaranteeing someone isn't a wacko.

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  4. Shuttleworth was a Debian user or developer by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3
    Back when Thawte was new, Shuttleworth used Debian and might also have been a Debian developer. I remember corresponding with him via email.

    Bruce

  5. What I wanna know is . . . by Robotech_Master · · Score: 2

    . . . if he's worth a shuttle, why's he going in a Soyuz? (-1, funny)

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  6. Re:Historical point by jelle · · Score: 2

    You're right. It's just like Disney, but then for really rich people. So you're rich, have a bunch of houses, two big yachts, lots of fast cars, lots of old cars, all the toys you want and you give generously to charity, then you go to space. Why not?

    All right, some might say that that money would better be spent giving more to charity. But I guess that's mostly because space travel is so very extravagant. But then again, wasn't flying and skiing too initially?

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  7. Mark Shuttleworth by komet · · Score: 2

    IIRC, Mark Shuttleworth is the guy who set up Thawte, which he sold to Verisign for some gigantic sum.

    Anyone know what he's doing nowadays, apart from putting himself into orbit?

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    1. Re:Mark Shuttleworth by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 2
      Anyone know what he's doing nowadays, apart from putting himself into orbit?
      • Investing in the education for poor-but-bright kids in South Africa
      • He has a new company called HBD (Here Be Dragons) focused on investing in IT in SA - ie Venture Capital
      • Changin his wardrobe from shorts & sandals to Armani suits - I kid you not
      • Trying to move his money out of SA into a first-world country with a stable currency. Again, I kid you not

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  8. Re:No point in anyone posting anymore.... by Domini · · Score: 2

    They should NOT work on food and education, but rather on Democracy, and the first thing one should do is excercise one's right to blow money....

    hehe.

  9. Honestly, you guys... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4

    ... you kill me.
    First you complain because the Russians ask for more money, then you complain because they try to raise it themselves.
    Are you never satisfied?

  10. Historical point by shokk · · Score: 3

    I have no problem with this if the Russians are just scooting him up in one of their Soyuz capsules. They have plenty of those rockets and they need the $$$.

    Just wondering, though, if back in the days of the Wright brothers whether there was a hoopla about tourists going up in the skies. These days that makes up a very large portion of the aviation industry. We can expect the same of the space industry once launches past earth orbit become routine.

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  11. No point in anyone posting anymore.... by cbr372 · · Score: 5
    I will summarize all of the posts here:

    1. Shuttleworth is a good name for someone going into space. Ha ha ha!!!

    2. Africans should concentrate on more important things, like food and education.

    3. It's important for the Russians to get funding SOME WAY - and if this is it, then by Joe, it's a good thing.

    4. This isn't news for nerds!!

    5. This is old news - it should be called Olds for Nerds.


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  12. The ISS actually does have hacked DVD players by phr1 · · Score: 2

    Because they have astronauts from many different countries wanting to play DVD's, NASA actually sent two hacked DVD players with region codes disabled to the space station.

  13. Mark Shuttleworth is the founder of Thawte by phr1 · · Score: 4

    Thawte Consulting is of course the certificate authority that started out in Mark's condo, that offered a lower cost alternative to Verisign. It was bought by Verisign a year or so ago for a stupendous amount of money at the height of the dotcom balloon. So that's where the cash for the space trip came from, and now we know what Mark is doing with the cash! Wow!

  14. Re:Some background by geoswan · · Score: 2
    This Dennis Tito story from CNN.com has a quote I really like:

    ...Could his millions have been better spent on those in need rather than a personal vacation in zero gravity?

    "This money should have been spent on the poor. And it was. One hundred dollars a month is the average salary of a Russian aerospace worker," Tito quipped.

  15. How long before the advertisements arrive. by Dutchmaan · · Score: 2

    Maybe if they can get a steady stream of wealthy tourists, they can start pulling in advertising rubles for the space station.. Tourist arrives to a barrage of ads from Rolex, Ferrari, Cartier, etc... I can see the headlines now.. ISS becomes 5 star restaurant!
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  16. Wow by h.+simpson · · Score: 2

    Space has gone from being the place for people with the right stuff, to the final frontier, to the star wars defense system, to the defunct starwars, but now...yes, now it is disneyland.