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Macrovision CD Protection Bypassed

LoPan writes: "The defective CDs that have recently arrived on the market have already had their copy protection broken according to The Register. What I'd like to know is if the discs do not conform to the Red Book standard, and if so, can they actually be sold as audio CD's, with the logo? Are they marked, warning consumers that they're buying a defective product?" The cdfreaks article referenced by the Register article tells you all you need to know. It's Windows-centric, but give it a few weeks and I bet cross-platform answers will show up.

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  1. Retroactive "circumvention device" status? by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    According to the CDFreaks article,

    Reported is that all software that is able to rip at Burst Copy Mode .... is able to rip SafeAudio protected CD's.

    So does this mean that these Burst Copy Mode programs, while previously legal, are now "circumvention devices" under the DMCA?

    If so, can I make a "protected" file format that Microsoft Office just happens to be able to read, and get Bill Gates arrested?

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  2. CD Freaks Got It Wrong. by chefmonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In reading the CD Freaks article, I'm fairly certain that they haven't figured out a way to rip the tracks; at least, not correctly.

    The earlier article sited on /. (I can't seem to find the damn thing right now) didn't say that attempting to rip protected disks would result in an error; it said that you'd end up with bursts of static. This technology works by placing bursts of static in the audio stream and marking them with a wildly wrong checksum. Audio CD players will interpolate over these bursts. Data CD readers will read the static in and (except for some models running at 1x) ignore the checksum altogether.

    The driver that CD Freaks points out is kind of cool; it means you don't need a dedicated ripper any more. The article, though doesn't indicate how it gets around the problem with the ECC codes being missing.

    Given this, and given knowledge of the way that CD-ROM drives work, I'd bet anyone here dimes to dollars that the CD Freaks "solution" won't be any more effective at circumventing the copy protection than any other CD ripper.

  3. Re:congratulations, you are now a criminal in the by nanojath · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Interesting question - if you fail to label the CD in any way, how is one to say they have encountered an "encryption method" (for which the creation of a "circumvention device" is a violation of the DMCA) rather than a "stupidly fucked up CD," for which the creation of a "repair technology" is simply the perogative of the discerning consumer.

    Gets into interesting territory: in general, I know, an ignorance of the law does not preclude one from being prosecuted for breaking it ("gee officer, that's a COCA bush?! And here I thought I was makin' SALT down in my basement" will not get you off the hook), although it may be considered in sentencing (as long as you're not facing a mandatory minimum, natch)... Yet this seems to be a case where ignorance could justifiably be grounds for questioning whether the law even applies. Are these CDs really "encrypted" in the first place? Bollocks, I say - they just have a bunch of junk on them. Teaching your computer to ignore bad data on a CD is hardly decryption.

    I think Macrovision is well aware of all this. They were floating them to find out a)how long it takes the story to break b)how big of a public stink about it would occur and c)how long it would take for audiophiles and compunerds to come up with a fix for the problem.

    Answers:

    a: practically instantaneously

    b: only among a sadly tiny cadre of the technological intelligentsia c: not long at all. Thank you for playing, better luck next time!

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  4. Re:Ahh, Macrovision by cnaumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In its twisted way, it is an anti-deterrent. Suppose they come up with a 100% fool-proof way to stop CD ripping. What would happen if someone wanted an MP3 from that album? They would turn to one of the many file sharing applications of course! Somewhere out there, there will be a digital copy. Eliminating 95% of the ripping does not mean that the MP3 would be 95% less avialable. The logic of need for CD protection is flawed beyond comprehension. The record companies should be doing the oposite, putting good MP3s on the CD with the regular stuff, making CDs that are easier to read on computers. They are trying to protect themselves from the people who are actually buying the CDs. By locking up the CD, they are giving people even less insentive to buy them. Most manufacturers make an effort to make their products easier to use, but for some very odd reasons, the record companies have decided to the way to increased sales is by making their product more difficult to use. Unfortunately, cracking the copy protection is the wrong solution to this non-sense. The correct solution would be for consumers to reject the CDs like Divx.

  5. Re:Question about the DMCA by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative
    How does one define a copyright protecting system?

    Well, they'll have to decide exactly what it means, but the DMCA itself (from the EFF) says in Section 1201, subsection (a)(3):

    `(3) As used in this subsection--
    `(A) to `circumvent a technological measure' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and

    `(B) a technological measure `effectively controls access to a work' if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.

    You'll notice that even "impairing" a technical measure is illegal - if you do anything to "avoid" the measure, that is still illegal. It would seem to me that this device would fall under this terms, as it "impares" or "avoids" the measure designed to protect copyright...

    As for whether or not what Macrovision is doing is a "measure" to protect copyright, it would seem that it is, as a "process or treatment" (namely error correction) is required to "access" the work. Which means that most likely, those of us in the United States, the land of the Free*, cannot legally use this system.

    * Does not include tax, title or license. Some restrictions may apply.

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  6. Titles please? by sdo1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have yet to see any titles of these so-called protected CDs. Until I see a title, I don't believe any of it.

    -S

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    1. Re:Titles please? by sdo1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Troll? Oh, come on. First we read that they've released THOUSANDS of CDs with this Macrovision technology on them... yet still not one title documented.

      Then we read "Oh joy! The protection has been broken!" Broken on WHAT? Until someone can produce a title and say what was done, I don't believe that there's really any "protected" CDs out there, and I don't believe that there's any protection that has been broken. Is that so hard to figure out. I'll change my tune as soon as someone identifies a CD that this has been done to.

      Every single time this has come up on /. I've asked if anyone has a title... just one. NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA what titles this was used on. The people here have an incredible ability to dig up bits of relevant data on a variety of subjects. But not this one. Not a single title verified. Without that data, I'm highly skeptical that the copy protection, if there is any, has been broken.

      Has anyone considered the possibility that these news stories are just being floated to gauge public response?

      -S

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  7. Re:People don't care about the Copy Protection by nanojath · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What it boils down to is that there are an order of magnitude more consumer audio CD players out there than consumer CD-ROMS, CD Burners, and CD-RW drives hooked up computers combined - and a LOT of people who have a CD drive in their computer don't have a clue what it is capable of. It's easy to think the range of techknowledge you get on Slashdot is the norm, when 45K people will respond to a stupid joke survey about the SirCam virus and weak servers are instantly shut down by the volume of traffic when Slashdot links to a story - but the reality is quite the opposite: even the relatively technostupid like myself stand head and shoulders above the average consumer, who is only vaguely aware that stuff like this even exists.

    At best, Napster had a couple million users on simultaneously at any given moment - whereas CBS managed to get some 30 million to watch Survivor at the same time. If Macrovision were to round their return percentage figures off to the nearest tenth it would probably be sufficient to make all those returning due to unrippability dissapear. They also probably picked a CD that was unlikely to go over with techies very well, the better to slow down discovery. After all, they want to put the best possible spin on a fairly trivial protection scheme - remember, they could give a rats ass about end-users, their real targets, their consumers, are record companies.

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  8. Here's what I'm trying to say and ask. by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't think my last post did an elegant job on it. We all know that the code that allows you to bypass the Macrovision CD copy protection is a DMCA violation. That should be obvious.

    But isn't it just as much of a violation to bypass the Macrovision copy protection via sampling an audio stream, or recording the analog stream to another device?

    By doing so, you are bypassing their mechanism to prevent the CD from being copied. And nothing in the DMCA says that it has to be 100% effective against all means of copying.

    So does that make analog copying a violation because you are bypassing the digital protection?

  9. Mode 1 sectors vs. Red Book sectors by yerricde · · Score: 4, Informative

    when you read in raw mode, you also get the correction data. So it's a simple matter of taking the data you got and correcting it in software

    CD-ROM stores 75 sectors per second. Red Book sectors contain 2,352 bytes, or (44100 samples/chn/sec) * (2 channels) * (2 bytes/sample) / (75 sectors/sec). CD-ROM sectors recorded in mode 1 (the vast majority of computer CD-ROMs) contain 2048 bytes of data and about 300 bytes of error correction data. For more information, read http://www.eaglevisiontv.com/General_Information/C DROM_Formats/body_cdrom_formats.html.

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  10. Question about the DMCA by Fat+Rat+Bastard · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This article has gotten me thinking again about the DMCA's "no circumvention device" clause again. How does one define a copyright protecting system? (I know this is a rhetorical question, something the courts will have to decide). At first glance I thought "Oh no, these guys are going to get a nasty lawyergram from Macrovision, RIAA, etc." But the more I thought about it the more I realized that this could be a quagmire. For instance, if I found a way to rip a Macrovision'ed disc that de-mungs the munged error correcting data I could see how that might run afoul of the DMCA. But what if someone simply pipes the music through the analog inputs of a soundcard, or rips the CD from a cd player with a digital audio out? Since no "circumvention" took place in these cases we now have a situation where, while the destination is the same, one "journey" is legal and the other is illegal.

    Yet another reason the law should punish "conduct" and not code.

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  11. Be honest now.... by Rackemup · · Score: 4, Interesting
    How many people didn't see this coming? Don't be shy, raise your hand if you actually BELIEVED FOR A SECOND that this copy-protection scheme would work...

    I think it's funny that they introduced these special CDs onto the market in the first place. People buy CDs for the high-quality music, and then they go and release this "copy-protection" scheme that purposly screws up the data so bad people can't copy the music to their computers.

    Here's a little knowledge-nugget© for you record-producer-type people, some of us rip songs from CDs into MP3 format because it's WAY more convenient to listen to. That doesnt mean I'm going to share the data with the world just to spite the record companies... I know there are people who no longer buy CD's because the music is so easy to find online (and they should be punished for doing this), but I've actually bought MORE CD's in the past year or 2 because I had listened to the music online first.

    Instead of trying to find a way to prevent people from using the CDs that they've bought at a normal store, how about figuring out a way to encourage online users to support the bands who actually make the music....

  12. RedBook conformity by Nihilanth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would imagine the "secure" audio CDs would still conform to the Redbook Standard, since the CDs are only "secure" because the fidelity of the recording is garbled ("corrupts the data", said The Register) in a way that a Hi-Fidelity playback device would be able to deal with, but would cause A CD-ROM drive to error out. Since the redbook standard seems to focus primarily on the physical composition of the compact disc (and the leadin track and "stuff") and not the format of the data on the disk, I would imagine they're still "redbook kosher", they just have intentionally error-riffic data imprinted on them.

    CDFreak's software is really neat, from what i've read about it. It reads in the audio track into RAM and mounts it as a volume, and involved creating a custom VXD, sounds pretty innovative.

    As for a couple of posts i've read about CDFreak being in danger of legal repercussions, their case is different from Dmitry's in that (please correct me if i'm mistaken) they're giving the software away for free, not selling it to make money, so they're not breaking any laws, even under the DMCA.

  13. What about CD players with digital output? by Karpe · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is very common now to buy CD players with digital outputs. How does this anti-copying mechanisms work with these outputs? Isn't it just the case to connect these outputs to a soundcard with a digital input? I know the SB Live! has such a connector, altough it "upsamples" every input to 48kHZ PCM. I know the Santa Cruz by Turtle Beach also has such an input, but am not sure if it also does this "upsample". Well, you wouldn' lose quality by transforming the 44.1 to 48 sampling rate, but if you would then downsample the 48 back to 44.1 I don't know what the algorithms would do. Would they just take the original 44.1k samples or get some of the "generated" samples?

  14. Re:People don't care about the Copy Protection by sith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the reason their return rate is so low is that most stores won't accept cds for returns.

    Try to return an openned cd to best buy and see how far you get. They'll happily exchange it for another copy of the same disc, but exchanging defective for defective is still defective.

    I have many cds that i've never actually listened to in non-mp3 form. I get a cd, rip it, then put the cd in my rack and listen to the mp3s.

    It will be interesting to see how the various portable mp3 device makers react to SafeAudio, assuming it gets widely accepted.

    The most interesting part is that most people will probably end up doing a straight pirate copy of a CD off morpheus or its kin if they can't rip the CD. IE, I'm not going to buy a cd that I can't rip to mp3, so I might as well pirate a copy off the net (assuming I dont want to do the cdfreaks workaround myself).

    Let us just say ... a whole can of worms ... opened...