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Recreating The Lost Art Of Damascus Steel

YouAreFatMan writes "The Chicago Tribune has an article about two researchers -- a metallurgist and a blacksmith -- who have apparently been able to reproduce the legendary Damascus steel. 'Islamic artisans used it for centuries to make swords that spurred envy and myths among Europeans--including the legend that a Damascus blade could slice a falling silk scarf in midair.'"

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  1. Re:hmmm... by AT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The technique of forging the steel was secret: there was no published work that explained it. Thus, there is no prior art.

    This is actually a perfect example of why patents were created in the first place: to reveal and create a public record of secret processes to prevent technologies from disappearing. Society gets the secret information in the end, but, the inventor gets a legally-protected monopoly for a reasonable period.

    If the Ottoman empire had a patent system, perhaps the secret of Damascus steel would never have been lost!

  2. Re:..And then created religious laws that forbade by dhogaza · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cough ... have you ever heard of the Ottoman Empire? With their artillery and other technical military items unmatched by Europeans for a couple of centuries?

    Yes, eventually their fortunes turned as those of France, Russia and other nations rose. Of course,
    those nations found their fortunes wane as well.

    Rule Britannia! The sun never sets on the British Empire!

    Of course, Bismark and the Prussians brought great power to Germany (and don't forget that the Turks were still a force to be reckoned with in WW I).

    And those powers waned as well, leaving the US and
    Russia as the two remaining superpowers after WW II.

    Now, of course, there is only one. But before we get too full of ourselves and assume we'll remain the world's most dominant force forever, consider that our bizarre unflinching adherance to ancient religious law rivals that of fundamentalist Islams .

    Let's see ... we still fight over the teaching of evolution because so many Americans have a bizarre
    unflinching adherance to a literal belief in Genesis. That's not the whole story but it's not a bad place to start ...

  3. Re:Well that's the most useful thing ever by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is easy to sharpen a blade so it is sharp enough to cut through silk.

    What is hard is to make it hard enough to keep that edge without making it as brittle as glass.

    The Japanese katana accomplishes this. It can be polished so sharp it will cut through meat under its own (low) weight. On the battlefield, admittdly there is little need to cut through a silk scarf or to carve steaks, but one useful tricks you could do with a katana and presumably with a fine Damascus blades was to actually cut through lesser blades. Which is very useful indeed.

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  4. Yeah, but it's the truth... by Rimbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I certainly encountered more than my fair share of professors in undergrad and in grad school who had tenure and all kinds of honors, but didn't understand how a real computer works. Case in point: Algorithm analysis. We analyze the performance of algorithms based on a model where every memory access can take the same amount of time. But anyone who understands modern virtual memory knows that's not the case. And it turns out that although that won't take an algorithm in polynomial time and move it into exponential time, an algorithm that on the surface is O(N^3) can actually be O(N^5) (according to one of the examples Larry Carter at the University of California-San Diego gave in a lecture).

    In academia, people write papers on doing nifty things, while in the real world, people actually do them. It's kind of like the article below where a CS professor writes about DOOM and it becomes clear (at least to me) that he doesn't really know the first thing about what John C. actually does.

    I'm not pissing on degrees; I certainly recognize the value of my degrees now that I have a job. But it took me a while to un-learn the habit I'd acquired in grad school of thinking ideas into the ground without actually doing anything with them. For a while I had to force myself to just DO things and worry about whether I was doing them "right" later. Only then did the education start to prove its worth.

    I think it's common to think that people with Ph.D.'s are brilliant. They may be smarter than average, but getting a Ph.D. is more a matter of working VERY hard towards a goal than it is about being a genius.