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Felten Will Present SDMI Research At USENIX

iamblades writes: "Edward Felten is scheduled to present his research papers on SDMI on Wednesday at the annual USENIX security conference. Apparently the RIAA backed off their harrassment, which makes sense, as SDMI is almost completely dead already." And a Semi-Anonymous Coward writes: "Despite the RIAA's attempts to silence the Princeton Professor and his students, USENIX will broadcast the SDMI Crack Live via the web. The broadcast will be available for the world here along with a discussion concerning your Freedom."

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  1. Re:Oh well... by Hacker+Cracker · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not only that, but the Association for Computing Machinery is getting behind Dr. Felten as well. Methinks that the RIAA has blundered badly this time...

    -- Shamus

    O Brave New World, with such People in it!

  2. If it were only that simple.... by g00z · · Score: 5, Informative

    I run a small, pretty much non-profit record label (See my URL above). Let me tell you, it's about the hardest thing to do in the world.

    First, let's start with the basics. Say I want to do a short run of CD's -- in the neighborhood of 500-1000 (Very modest). Any band that is half decent should unload that amount no sweat. That will cost about $1000 - $1700 (Could be cheaper without things like, oh say, cover artwork and tray/shrinkwrap). So fine, let's say you have that kind of cash just laying around and are feeling charitable. You get your 1000 cd's via UPS (Cost you about 300 bucks in shipping -- that many cd's are heavy) and have it at your apartment/home/whatever. How are you getting this to people? Shipping, of course. -- Costing you about $1.25 per CD for 5-7 day snail mail, or $3.00+ for UPS/Fedex. Larger quantities cost less, but very few people order more than 1 CD at a time. So, it cost you about $2 - $3 dollars right there, just basics. This "CD's cost about $0.20 to make" you here is refering to Major Label deals, where they go and press 100,000,000 Madona CD's and get the sweetest deal you can imagine from the plant. Little labels, however, pay WAY more per CD. (Isn't that funny?)

    Ok, We didn't even talk about Hosting fee's (For your website -- you do have a website right?) about 10 - 15 bucks a month (Conservative). Tack on Domain Registration ($50 for 2 years??). On top of that, advertising -- People wont buy ANYTHING if they don't know about it -- So you place a couple ads in a few indie zines -- around $500 a month in advertising (This is small fry shit). The cost continues to rise.

    Guess what? Only about 5-10 people buy a CD a month! So you figure, you could really rake it in if you had distribution (Ya know, putting your CD's in stores and all that good stuff). You go shopping for Distributor's. First thing you find, is that NOBODY will touch you unless you have a UPC. So you go looking into getting a UPC code for your CD. Anybody wanna take a guess at how much a freakin' UPC number costs? Anyone? Depending on volume and format, it can run you anywhere from $1200 - $100,000!!!!! This is no lie. For one CD, UPC codes cost you as much, if not more than the actual Pressing costs!

    So you get a UPC (Because your a sucker), and then go to talk to the distro houses again. Guess what? They STILL won't touch you until you have a catalog of at least 40 LP's!!! So how excatly do you get the capital together to release 40 records, so you can get distribution, and sell more than 5-10 Stinking CD's per month, and EVER hope to cover your costs and not loose $2000 (Low estimate) on each cd you put out?

    I think you know the answer. You either charge what the majors charge (What I do -- about $8 - $13 Per CD), or you give up, go home, and stop trying to put out cd's for people (What I consider doing every day).

    It's very very very hard to be an independent. Honestly, I don't know how some of the smaller labels with some degree of integrety left (Dischord, Drag City, K, Kill Rock Stars, etc) manage to do it. All you can hope is that you accidently sign the next Sleater-Kinney, Smog, etc.. It's very discouraging.

    That, is why nobody has done this idea -- and succeeded.

    g00z

    --
    "The Wright brothers were the first to fly with a heavier-than-air machine, but boy did they have a lousy plane"
    1. Re:If it were only that simple.... by Cinnamon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the cost for bar codes isn't quite so horrific. You can get info on joining the coalition that distributes them here. It's $750 for sales up to $2million a year, which I assume a small label would fall under. Still very expensive, less than $1200.

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      -- If we were in any other industry they would've shot us a long time ago.
  3. Re:Oh well... by Rimbo · · Score: 5, Informative
    "Is Felten planning a suit for harassment?"

    Yes; the EFF is doing so on his behalf.

  4. Re:Why hasn't... by Chakat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, a non-profit can be formed to sell a good/service. There are a few health insurance companies which are non-profit (can't recall them off the top of my head), the FSF is non-profit and they sell distributions of gcc, etc. All non-profit means is that the books are much more available to the general public; there are certain tax forms/accounting ledgers that they have to show upon request, regardless of who is doing the requesting.

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    If god had intended you to be naked, you would have been born that way.

  5. There already is by Auckerman · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Why hasn't someone started a Non-profit record label. Could that work ? Or what about a "minimum profit" record label ? " Check out Dischord Records and more specifically Fugazi (Ian owns Dischord). All tapes and records $6 all CD's $9, postage paid. In many cities Fugazi can fill 5-10K shows and only charge $7 even with your ticket master surcharge (Fugazi is the main revenue stream for Dischord and they reinvest the money to the label so others can have their music heard).

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  6. Re:How does this differ... by Danse · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Equal protection" also doesn't necessarly apply to non-citizens, which leaves Dimitri out in the cold.

    As I understand it, it does apply to non-citizens, as long as they're in this country legally.

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    It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
  7. Re:This is not a victory by Rimbo · · Score: 4, Informative

    ``The only "good thing"(tm) that really happened was we were able to embarrass the RIAA a bit.''

    Actually, according to www.eff.org, the Felten/EFF vs. RIAA case is still very much alive, because the EFF filed a countersuit against the RIAA. It seems that you cannot threaten lawsuits willy-nilly in this country after all!

    Although if the EFF loses the case, you will be proven right; however, this is not over.

  8. How does this affect the pending case? by 4n0nym0u53+C0w4rd · · Score: 4, Informative
    So here's what's happened...

    • Felton takes part in the SDMI challenge, decides NOT to continue into the final round and sign away his rights to publish.
    • RIAA threatens Felton.
    • Felton pulls paper from conference, publicity ensues.
    • RIAA says "we never threatened Felton"
    • Felton Sues to be allowed to publish research
    • RIAA says "we never threatened to sue, leave us alone..."
    • Felton, apparently, gives presentation

    So, how does this affect the lawsuit? Can Felton still sue to prevent the RIAA from deciding to go after him down the road, or does it simply become a matter of principle?