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HDCP Encryption Cracked, Details Unreleased Due To DMCA

Lord_Pall writes: "There's a very good article on SecurityFocus about a Dutch cryptographer. He apparently has cracked the HDCP video encryption standard, but won't release the research for fear of reprisals under the DMCA." Update: 08/15 06:10 PM by J : Meanwhile, see Keith Irwin's paper which has been released despite the DMCA. Update: 08/15 07:00 PM by J : And someone else points out this old thing. Everyone who hasn't written a paper on cracking HDCP raise your hand.

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  1. Re:They are so stupid by kcbrown · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...and yet all of these companies still think that the DMCA is good for them.
    It is good for them.

    Look, these guys aren't after The Ultimate Unbreakable Encryption Mechanism. They're after something that will prevent the average person from gaining "unauthorized access" to their content. And as you note yourself, they aren't after the guys generating bootleg copies. They want to prevent the average person from being able to make useful copies of their content.

    Why?

    Simple: their goal is pay-per-view/use. They want to be able to rent their content out to people, and prevent said people from ever having a permanent copy. Because a permanent copy obviously defeats their ability to rent that same content to whoever has that permanent copy.

    The reason this will work is that most people (obviously) aren't technically inclined and aren't capable or even interested in cracking copy protection schemes, nor are they interested in going through the trouble of "going around" the problem (e.g., by recording to analog media). They just want to view the content.

    The Big Corporations know this. They're counting on it. But they need something like the DMCA to pull it off. Why?

    Because they know that it's fundamentally impossible to create a crackproof system. So instead of directing their energies towards that goal, they directed it towards creating the DMCA. If people are prevented by law from creating or distributing the means to crack content control systems, then companies can successfully force pay-per-view content down the throats of the people.

    The corporations also know that eventually a content control cracking mechanism will become available to the general public anyway. So when it does, they know that it can't do anybody any good if the general public can't easily get its hands on it. Why do you think they're working so hard to shut down P2P distribution mechanisms? By doing so, they successfully remove the means for the average person to get their hands on content-control cracking mechanisms and the content that would result from the use of said mechanisms.

    The corporations don't care about the rights of the people. They only care about their money. They will do everything in their power to get it. The only difference I see between them and the mafia is that the corporations use law enforcement itself as their strong arm.

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  2. Re:Will the DMCA hurt encryption badly? by Raleel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think a fairly straight forward explanation such as "Would you want to drive a car that hadn't been independently crash tested?" or something. The ability to test encryption schemes would be easier for the lay person to understand.

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  3. Re:He is Dutch, DMCA doesn't apply by Chelloveck · · Score: 3, Informative

    I know this guy, though I haven't talked with him for about six months. He does come to the USA periodically. His girlfriend is American and while they're both living in the Netherlands now, they do come over here once in a while. After the Sklyarov thing I'm not terribly surprised about his reluctance to come forth.

    Last I knew, he was working with Bruce Schneier and Counterpane. It's possible that his connection to a US corporation also enters into the decision.

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  4. Me too, and here's where you can get it: by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 3, Funny

    Me too, and here's where you can get it:
    http://russnelson.com/pads/pad-md5-10bd774315b84 f1 6ad2ec7296a7a9fb3.dat

    It's encrypted. It's also copyrighted. If you decrypt it, you bring down the wrath of the DMCA on yourself. So don't decrypt it.
    -russ

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  5. Long arm of the law by camusflage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Charming. Now foreign nationals who visit the US are afraid to release details of weaknesses.

    Good, I say. Serves 'em right. Once something people want to steal is released with the format, then the details will come out, and people will steal it. By not quashing discussion, they might have been able to fix it while still in R&D, but by taking the I'm-putting-my-head-in-the-sand approach, they're shooting themselves in the foot.

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  6. Re:He is Dutch, DMCA doesn't apply by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tell that to Sklyarov.

    However, even by claiming to have broken the encryption, he's placing himself at risk of being investigated, and possibly detained and questioned should he ever visit the US. (If I were to publicly announce that I had commited a crime, I would expect the authorities to take interest in me.)

    Cheers,

    Tim

  7. The dominos start to fall (again?) by gmkeegan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We start to see some of the indirect effects of the DMCA. The choices for secur ity experts and developers will be to A) not publish their works, leaving them f or a more malicious hacker to discover, or B) publish, just NEVER enter the US a gain. Either way research and development as well as security and technical con ferences will start to leave US locations, favoring those countries that won't a rrest their participants.

    Other countries will leap ahead in encryption abilities, while the US rests on i ts DMCA laurels. Brings back memories of the smaller, more efficient, more reli able cars from Japan and Europe in the 60's and 70's that caught Detroit by surp rise. Took them 10 or 15 years to catch up.

    Unfortunately, as long as there is money to be had from lobbyists, there will al ways be legislative sand for our politicians to stick their heads in.

    "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

  8. They are so stupid by rknop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Intel spokesperson Daven Oswalt says the company has received several reports from people claiming that they have broken HDCP. But he says none have held up, and the company remains confident in the strength of the system.

    ...and yet all of these companies still think that the DMCA is good for them.

    It's amazing how on how many levels the DMCA is a bad idea. It's squelching freedom of speech, and it's preventing the companies from producing technical systems that can effectively produce total control over their customers. Of course, the free-speech-squelching part is serving the total control purpose, and since it's the executive and legal divisions of the companies that decide what the companies "want," they probably are happier that way. And that is the real tragedy-- that and the fact that they can US legislation.

    (To be fair, given the description of the attack, Intel is probably right that it still does prevent "casual copying." On the other hand, it angers me that they're trying to prevent casual (including fair use) copying, but don't mind that somebody willing to invest some money in hardware and a couple of weeks can start producing bootleg devices. Who's their real enemy here? Customers trying to exert fair use rights (and, yeah, maybe occasionally illegally copying content)? Or overseas customers producing and selling wholesale bootleg copies?)

    -Rob

  9. Anonymous is good by chill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One more reason the right to post anonymously is a good thing.

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  10. Will the DMCA hurt encryption badly? by baptiste · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I just can't help but think that as more and more people discover flaws in encryption standards that we the users lose in the end. If crackers won't release details of how they cracked an encryption standard, where's the motivation for that standard to be improved? You can say the bad press is enough, but heck - if nobody releases details, how are we to believe its true?

    There was a time when encryption was done to ensure it couldn't be broken. Now it seems like organziations are using the DMCA as a way to prop up bogus standrads that are dangerous due to their flaws (*cough*ebook*cough*)

    Its hard enough trying to explain why Dimitry should be freed. But how can you convince a legislator or govt official that the DMCA is bad for encryption without risking prosecution? Its a scary catch 22.

    Even though the Dimitry case is getting some press (Time Mag had a 2 page article - well written), I still only see proposals to slightly change the law. Not enough to allow full reverse engineering for research and the ability to expose flaws in products. Seriously - an encryption standard used to say encrypt some copyrighted work gets hacked, the victims sue showing why its such a bad encryption std and the lawyers for teh company using the bad encryption get it disqualified because its illegal to bypass encryption or copyright schemes.

    Far fetched, maybe, but I really fear we will continue to see substandard encryption schemes passed off as workable because folks are less likely to publicize flaws in them if they are tied to teh DMCA.

    Sure this may help open encryption standards, but we all know where the commerical money goes, so goes the world. Bad encryption standards used for IP materials and protected by the DMCA would soon be sold to businesses for privacy and such - exposing those businesses to serious exposure since the encryption std is probably less secure due to less folks trying to find flaws for fear of prosecution.

    Maybe we need a contest - free tshirt to the person who manages to come up with the Chicken Little 'the sky is falling' explanation for why the DMCA is bad that'll get Joe six-pack up in arms :)

    1. Re:Will the DMCA hurt encryption badly? by chriscrowley · · Score: 4, Informative

      Newsweek has also has a very anti-DMCA article on their now hosted MSNBC website.

      http://www.msnbc.com/news/612847.asp

      Read the article and give it a "10" at the bottom so that it might show up under the MSNBC Viewer's Top 10 list and people will find out about this.

  11. Essay by Ferguson by Apotsy · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here is where Ferguson explains his position.

    This is a very good essay. It does an excellent job of explaining the problem with the DMCA succinctly, and in a manner than anyone can understand. I'm going to keep this link and use it whenever I want to explain the problem with the DMCA to someone non-technical.

  12. Re:Essay by Ferguson - how to 'publish' by mikewhittaker · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I remember reading a science-fiction short story about an engineer who invented basically a 'free energy' device. (No doubt someone will supply the details.)

    However, fearing retribution/elimination from Big Oil/Energy Corporations and Governments With Vested Interests, he did not attempt to publish or patent his discovery, although it would be for the common good of humanity.

    Instead, he incorporated obfuscated and watered-down versions of the technology into consumer products where they would result in some respectable but unobtrusive energy savings.

    He then worked to ensure that, over the years, these products became commodity items throughout the world, knowing that, with time, they would be reverse-engineered by various people, and eventually improved on until the original mechanism emerged into common knowledge and the public domain, throughout the developed and developing countries.

    Do researchers need to resort to such tactics of stealth and obfuscation in order to indirectly "publish" their results - hide bits and pieces of the solution in various unconnected publications, until someone is able to piece the fragments together ?!

  13. In related news by alexjohns · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've uncovered the secret ingredients in the Colonel's spices and McDonald's Special Sauce. I figured out where Amelia Earhart has been all these years. I know whether or not the moon landings were faked, who shot Kennedy, and how many stones there are in the Washington Monument.

    I have decrypted the secret code in the Bible, correlated it with the secret codes of the Baghavad Ghita, Talmud and Qur'an and now now the inner thoughts of all gods. I have unified field theory and quantum theory and will soon have a device that will bend all matter to my will.

    I know the secrets of teleportation, telekinesis, telepathy, and how to get women to want me. I know the secrets of every three-letter agency in government, the Psychic Friends network, and the US Postal Service.

    Unfortunately, due to the nature of the DMCA, I am unable to share my findings with others. I suppose I'll have to get on my FTL spaceship and find a more genial planet. Ta-ta!

  14. Next DMCA test - prosecution for doing research by hillct · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It will be interesting to see if once it does get out, if companies will seek to hold him responsible, even if e doesn't release it himself. I winder if the DMCA covers the eventuality of having done research which facilitates bypassing encryption. It really isn't that far to go from doing research (and finding the solution) to writing the software that actually performs the operation. Will it become a crime to do research?

    --CTH

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  15. Re:He didn't break it :) by (void*) · · Score: 3, Informative
    How asinine. He could make a video stream encoded with the master key for example. And we could all verify it with the public key.

    That's the great about assymetric key encryption.

  16. Poetic justice. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lots of us said that for the SDMI contest we should say "yeah, I can crack that" but not release any details (even if we really could crack it). Let them sweat it out.

    Now the industry is starting to get this treatment because of its own heavy-handedness. If some FUDster claims he can crack $ANTIPIRACYTECHNOLOGY but won't prove it, no one will will be able to call his bluff effectively.

    Meanwhile, full-quality bootlegs continue to pour out of Taiwan. Society has nothing but reduced rights and privileges to show for all this.

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  17. Re:Next DMCA test - prosecution for doing research by Hallow · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, but most of the time the courts don't rule against the person who wrote the manual on how to pick the lock, created the skeleton key, or sold the lockpicks to the crook.

    It's the act of breaking the lock, not information, tools or ability that allow one to bypass the lock, that should be, and already was illegal.

  18. Old news by Insount · · Score: 3, Informative

    Politics aside:

    A description of a fatal weakness in HDCP's was published by Scott A. Crosby a few days after the specs was published, and was independently discovered by many others. Crosby's attack appears to have the capabilities claimed by Ferguson and has negligible computational cost (inversion of a 40x40 matrix). It requires the built-in keys of any 40 HDCP devices, but this is presumably easy to achieve in the presence of software-based HDCP implementations).

    Thus the new feature of Ferguson's attack is probably a way to extract the keys without actually hacking any device, but rather by talking to intact devices via the normal protocol. While this is interesting, HDCP should already be considered broken in light of known attacks.

  19. Peer review to strengthen encryption by Dr_Cheeks · · Score: 3, Funny

    Indeed. I'll bet those Germans who invented Enigma are kicking themselves (posthumously, natch) that they didn't legislate against the Allies cracking it : )

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  20. It's not just vanity by rhincewind · · Score: 4, Informative
    I was actually there (at HAL) when he expressed his anger about these procedings. When asked whether 'the paper was in his tent at the moment' (talking about anonymous posting ;-) he replied being serious about not publishing.

    Imho his goal is not getting his paper published, but getting people to think about the consequences of these laws. Unfortunately, this the only way we foreigners can protect our rights abroad.

    Linked to this, in Europe a 'law' is being prepared (due Sept 3rd I believe) which forces a country to assist another country to eavesdrop (snif Internet traffic) on a user if he (she) did an illegal act in that OTHER country. To link this with a previous link (thanks for the thought), if China were to be part of such agreement, every couple with 2 or more kids could forget its privacy...

    Joost

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  21. Good! by JoeShmoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a Good Thing(tm)! If the details aren't released, then it's just rumor, speculation and slander against the HDCP standard!

    That means the HDCP consortium can continue on their merry way to rolling out their video solution...and then after we have all this great content available...THEN we can have someone release the information (I see Lawrence Lessig waving his hand there in the back).

    Think about it. If the Crack SDMI has come back with nothing but failure...then maybe we would all have GB of juicy full-quality (minus watermarks, ahem) songs sitting on our harddrive awaiting a simple watermark snipper.

    Thank you DMCA! Chilling research only delays the inevitable! It doesn't stop it!

    - JoeShmoe

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  22. Re:He is Dutch, DMCA doesn't apply by Drone-X · · Score: 4, Informative
    He is Dutch, DMCA doesn't apply
    Maybe he doesn't want to lose the ability to travel to the USA, if he puts it up for download he'd be violating American law (at least in California they seem to think the Internet means you're *everywhere*).
  23. The Complete Document by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Complete Document can be found here:

    http://www.macfergus.com/niels/dmca/index.html

    Very good stuff. Too bad they didn't link it in the story.

  24. Ferguson's Mistake by rknop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "You can be sure that somehow, somewhere, someone will duplicate my results especially because I am telling them that I have results," says Ferguson. "Someone who is braver, who has less money, and who doesn't travel to the U.S."

    This, right here, is his mistake. If, in the near future, those master keys are published, I bet a nickel that Ferguson gets hauled up for a lawsuit (or perhaps even criminal prosecution), for exactly the reasons that he states here himself. It's extremely stupid, but on the other hand, I can easiliy see an overpaid bunch of useless humanity (i.e. corporate lawyers) effectively convincing judges and law enforcement officials that Ferguson should be liable. They would be right that he probably helped along other efforts to crack the encryption doing nothing more letting people know that it was possible. Ferguson's mistake is in thinking that the dunderheads who thought that arresting Sklyarov was a good idea will let him slide after he's said this.

    The world is a cold, demon-haunted place nowadays. It sickens me to be a citizen of this country that so hypocritically prides itself on being free.

    -Rob

  25. Fake Sircam Infection by Skidmarq · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So just fake an infection by Sircam, and have it release the info. :)

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  26. DMCA-like legislation coming ot a country near you by hillct · · Score: 5, Informative

    Many countries are cinsidering DMCA type legislation to bring them into compliance with the WIPO Intelectual Property Treaties. For more on the the legal constructs being cinsidered by the World Intellectual Property Organization, see their whitepaper "Technical Protection Measures: The Intersection of Technology, Law, and Commercial Licenses" (M$ Word or PDF). Take a good look at this stuff. It's important that people fully understand the actions being taken by WIPO and begin to realize that arguing about your rights or my rights isn't the critical issue. The critical issue is that if WIPO has their way, there will be no protection for citizens of any country, from potentially usurous and monopolistic IP practices.

    --CTH

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  27. Crypto-Gram by tiny69 · · Score: 4, Informative
    The recent newsletter from Crypto-gram talks about the DMCA and brings up a few good points:

    Dmitry Sklyarov (age 27) landed in jail because the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) makes publishing critical research on this technology a more serious offense than publishing nuclear weapon designs. Just how did the United States of America end up with a law protecting the entertainment industry at the expense of freedom of speech?

    . . .

    There are also provisions in the DMCA to allow for security research, provisions that I and others fought hard to have included. But these provisions are being ignored, as we've seen in the DeCSS case against 2600 Magazine, the RIAA case against Ed Felten, and this arrest.

    It's a good read.
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  28. Re:He is Dutch, DMCA doesn't apply by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Informative

    However, even by claiming to have broken the encryption, he's placing himself at risk of being investigated, and possibly detained and questioned should he ever visit the US.

    You are probably right, as the DMCA is clearly intended to be used as a club to squelch information and discussion under the (woefully thin) guise of protecting copyright holders.

    However ...

    (If I were to publicly announce that I had commited a crime, I would expect the authorities to take interest in me.)

    ... even the DMCA hasn't made it illegal to figure out how to decrypt encrypted copyright material, but rather has made the trafficking in devices using that knowledge illegal. By announcing he's done it, but not sharing the methodology, he cannot in any way be said to have "trafficked" in a circumvention device. To do so he would have to publish, and this he has not done. Not that that will stop Intel or someone else affiliated with the Copyright Cartels from swearing out a false afidavit and falsely imprisoning this individual (and, interestingly, while the Sklyrov case goes forward I do not see anyone from Adobe being arrested for Perjury, which swearing out a false affidavit is ... hence the term "swear").

    Of course, it is only a matter of time until someone does publish, probably anonymously, and DHCP dies the death it so richly deserves.

    The software world, which relies on restricted copy priveleges (copyright) far more heavilly than even the Media Moguls of Hollywood and New York, learned over a decade ago just how futil copy protection schemes were. Instead, they chose to go another route, making serial-numbered copies traceable rather than uncopiable (something which has been shown mathematically to be myth in any event). Interestingly enough, having people's names attached to serialized copies of software had a chilling effect on copyright violation that no amount of copy-protection schemes and hardware dongles was able to achieve. It didn't eliminate it, but it sure cut down on the number of people willing to share their copies of software with anyone other than, at most, their closest friends.

    The Copyright Cartels and Media Conglomerates refused to learn this obvious lesson, prefering instead to believe they have purchased protection through the DMCA sufficient to allow even the most flawed "copy protection" to stand through artificial threat with a government gun in contradiction to both information theory and basic physics in the physical world.

    Of course, when "casual copying" has been mostly eliminated and fair use is dead, the industrial copyright violators will still be producing illegale wares in quantity, until they in turn are shut down using methods and laws which have been around for decades. Which underscores the real motivation and target behind MPAA and RIAA purchased legislation such as the DMCA: the individual consumer, not the commercial copyright violator.

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  29. Re:send the results to me by weave · · Score: 3, Interesting
    After all I live in the U.S and personally wouldn't mind 3 meals and a cott plus an extension to my summer vacation.

    You forgot about the all the sex you can take part...

    Seriously, those that are sitting around claiming that U.S. prisons are pieces of cake have obviously never been in one. My father, a minister, visits prisons all the times and it's not a nice place to be. Maybe if you're rich and in a fed prison for defrauding someone of 100 million bucks you're OK, but if you commit the more serious crime of holding up a 7-eleven for 20 bucks using the ole finger in the coat pocket trick, you get to do some hard time in a state pen...

    p.s. slashdot can really suck at times. I try to be a nice @home customer and use their proxy servers to keep their inter-connect traffic down but whenever I try to post it says I can't cause my IP address has posted too many moded down posts recently. Well D'OH, that IP has a few million people behind it. Learn about how a proxy works guys. It just forces me to uncheck my proxy connection but then I can't post because I get an invalid key msg (probably cause my IP address changes). So I open up a new browser section, hit reply, copy/paste my reply over, and the bitch tells me I have to wait 20 seconds after hitting reply before I submit. Arrrgh...

  30. Duplication by Apotsy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Sound like it will be easy for others to duplicate his efforts:
    "An experienced IT person could recover the master key in two weeks given four standard PCs and fifty HDCP displays," said Ferguson. "The master key allows you to recover every other key in the system and lets you decrypt [HDCP video content], impersonate a device, or create new displays and start selling HDCP compatible devices."

    [snip] ... he says it is a textbook example of a cryptographic attack.
    Even if he never releases it himself, it'll be all over the place before too long, now that it's known to be possible. He gives a pretty good hint about how to duplicate his results.
  31. What about The Press? by jabber01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anonimous submissions to the papers, inside, unnamed sources and subsequent 'expert' analysis have taken down Presidents..

    Why don't people anonimously submit this sort of thing (cracks, weaknesses, bug reports) to news sources?

    Would the papers be liable for printing someone elses 'approach', without necessarily verifying it's correctness first? After all, Deep Throat wasn't named to be right, he only gave 'hints' about Watergate...

    I could see The Register, the Motley Fool, the Washington Post, or maybe just some online news source (ahem, slashdot, ahem) printing 'suggestions' from anonimous sources... And as 'reputable' guardians of Liberty (*sigh*) they would be able to claim the need to protect the identities of the submitters in order to maintain their 'professionalism', or some such...

    How about it slashdot? Set up a PO Box where people could send neat stuff without a return address..

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  32. Hmm... by fanatic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "I have found a proof of this theorem which is too long to fit in this margin." Think it actuallly exists?

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    "that's not encryption - it's a new perl script that I'm working on..." - from some Matrix parody
  33. Copyright, then ROT-13 the paper by UM_Maverick · · Score: 3, Funny

    If he wrote the paper, then I would assume that he owns the copyright on it. If he's a cryptographer, then he can apply an encryption algorithm to it. If he does that, then nobody can read it w/out breaking the encryption, and, therefore, violating the dmca...correct? Granted, we'd all have to violate the dmca to read it, but how is Intel going to see you ROT-13 something in your cubicle?

  34. I found a hint on the KEY! by thopo · · Score: 4, Funny

    "An experienced IT person could recover the master key in two weeks given four standard PCs and fifty HDCP displays"

    1
    2 or 14
    4
    50

    Therefore the key is:
    12450 or
    114450 or
    12450 * 114450 = 1424902500 or
    sqrt(12450^114450).

    q.e.d.

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  35. Re:Next DMCA test - prosecution for doing research by wiredog · · Score: 5, Funny
    Will it become a crime to do research?

    Of course not. What, do you think some company is going to file charges and get the FBI to arrest someone from Russia just because they give a talk about their work in Vegas? Or that an industry trade group would threaten a lawsuit if a college professor tried to present a research paper? My god, people are paranoid around here! Next thing you know they'll be saying that the Big Corporations are trying to outlaw reverse engineering!