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KDE 2.2 Released
Well, we had covered it being tagged last week, and now, after a hardware problem with one of the main download servers, KDE is ready for download. Except that you'll probably want to go to the mirrors to actually get it. You can get more about it about it from Dre's dot.kde post, or you can read the KDE announcement - and have a good time!
Now that I've installed it and played for a hour...
.kde files in their home before it would use KDM instead of WDM. I like the Preferences Wizard.
1) Was KDESUPPORT not upgraded? It wasn't in the Mandrake binary section or the source section. They should either include it or put a link so people who AREN'T UPGRADING can download it (if it is still necessary).
2) After install ROOT logged in fine, but my users had to kill some
3) First Crash! Something (KDE Daemon) poped up with a SEGFAULT and then disappeared. Nothing seemed to be affected.
4) It is faster and more responsive. I like the new eye candy. Automatic antialiasing (if you turn it on in the Wizard) and everything looks SMOOTH!
5) Better compatibility with some of the web sites I visit. No problems any more for my kids when playing Flash games on Disney.COM. Now if I could figure why half the sites (like Disney) find my Flash plugin and the other half (like Cartoon Network) DON'T, I'll be happy.
Over all, a nice desktop. A very good first impression.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
ooooooh! What does this button do? - DeeDee, Dexters Lab.
one thing that drives me nuts about linux is that there are all these different desktops with all these competing standards. there's no one API for instance to add an icon to the desktop or a program group, because each one of these systems does everything totally differently.
i know it sounds petty, but until something is done to make all of these things less linux-y and more transparent, linux will forever be a server closet geek toy.
sorry.
Monkey sense
My suggestion: work closer with GNOME (and vice versa. Its entirely possib;le to have 2 seperate projects without the current incompatibility and lack of standards between the two.
Users don't pick their apps based on toolkit. They pick them based on quality. For almost all users, that's going to be a mix of KDE and GNOME apps.
Create a standard for:
* Component models. Really. We know its hard to agree on, but it must be done.
* File types - > application mapping database (some people call these MIME types).
* Launcher menus. Application developers and end users are tired of having to add new apps Mozilla to two different sets of menus. Nobody says `I want a QT app...oh, and by the way, can it be a web browser'?. They say `I want a web browser'. They don't care about toolkits and neither should the desktop menus.
* Panel applets.
* Icons. GNOME uses 48 x 48. KDE uses various sizes (which is probably a better way to do it - 48 x 28 icons do notRe:some notes not look pretty). Have a kind word to the GNOME folk and suggest they use the same approach as KDE.
* Package deployment. I'd love to download KDE via Ximian's Red Carpet, or a KDE interface for the same.
Seriously though, your hardline standards-compliance stance is an idea whose time has either passed or whose time is not yet come. Some facts:
- The defacto standard *is* IE. If you don't believe this, you are in denial.
- The vast majority of web authors are not interested in finding a "long term solution". Not only is finding long term solutions difficult, but doing so harms the web author's job security and besides, most clients expect a complete re-work of their site every once in a while, to keep it fresh.
- As a result of the above, most of the web is optimized for IE.
- Approximately 0% of average users give a good goddamn whether the web page they are viewing is standards compliant.
- Approximately 100% of average users don't care if the browser uses black magic to render the pages as long as the pages be readable.
If Linux wants to attract users, Linux will need a browser that can render the millions of pages already written for IE somewhere near as well as IE can render them. On the other hand, if Linux is hoping to go down in history as a highly standards-compliant system that was too good for this world, then your way is the right choice.If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
> here's much more cruft in C++ than there's in C.
> C++ lets the programmer go lazy on many things
> at the expense of bloat and execution speed.
Such as?
> Even "Hello world" examples are much larger in
> size than C equivalents.
The following *C++* program compiles to a 3368 byte dynamic binary on my Linux box:
#include
int main() { printf("Hello, world!\n"): }
Oh whats this? You say thats not a C++ program but a C program? Hate to break it to you, but (with a few exceptions) any valid ANSI C program is also a valid ANSI C++ program.
- Arcadio
err, precisely when did "MS" say linux on the desktop was dead? References please.
In their Linux Myths article they said `Linux on the desktop makes absolutely no sense'. I doubt Microsoft ever acknowledged that Linux on the desktop was ever alive, much less previously living but now dead.
No.
I want one huge workspace that can scroll. Not 4 individual workspaces - which is what KDE has.
I want to be able to drag an app to the corner of my screen and be able to go to the adjacent view and see the app.
Follow the steps listed in my post under gnome using the control panel, and you'll see what I mean. KDE doesn't have the colums/rows option for each workspace.
Linux - Because Mommy taught me to Share.
Don't take this as a flame, but I don't think it's easy to slim down a project like this. It's OO, it's C++, what can be expected? C++ is a higher level language, resulting in slow compilation times and bloat. The gain is shorter developement cycle at the expense of bloat. Same goes for Mozilla.
Some of the packages still use interfaces from the Qt 1.X series, that have been retained for legacy support. KDE3 should hopefully get rid of these parts.