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Caldera's Almost-Linux Skips The Linux Kernel

Cassivs points to this UnixReview article, which says "Caldera has released Open UNIX 8, which includes a complete GNU/Linux distribution, except that it runs on the SVR5 kernel, acquired from SCO. It uses the same packages as Caldera's OpenLinux 3.1. It should scale much better, and provides a commercial UNIX kernel with the ability to natively develop GNU/Linux applications." It sounds like a non-Linux kernel has advantages on certain hardware, even running exactly the same software otherwise -- I wonder how long that will be true. Caldera has talked about this product, with it's Linux Kernel Personality, for a long time, and this is an informative review for anyone following it.

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  1. Unix is dead - long live the king by isolation · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    long live the unix defragmenter (linux)

    1st post

    --
    Free Unix? Free Windows. http://www.reactos.com
  2. ow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    make the italicking stop... i feel like im going to fall over... to the right... slightly...

  3. test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    /=irst ph0st

    1. Re:test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Moderate this up.

      Someone from /. is actually testing code. Moderate this up at once.

  4. FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    yeap

    1. Re:FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Trolling for Amanda!

  5. Default Score by Cmdr+(Fuck+You)+Taco · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Why have I lost my privilege to post at -1?

  6. bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    always trying to pee in the punch bowl

  7. Goat news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Goat news on CNN!

  8. Re:GNU UNIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    LOL, mod up

  9. The kernelset 2.4 is not that presentable... by zander · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    The 2.4.9 kernel did not even compile for me! (ntfs) Why are linus and friends not doing this non-stable stuff in a 2.5 set of kernels?

    NFS still does not work correctly and heaps of memory problems have been bugging the series until 2.4.5

    Release early, releas often is good, but please state when you have a STABLE version so distros can use that. It seems to me that the 2.4 series is just one stumble after another..

    Yeah, might be flamebait, but he, it had to be said!

  10. test by CaptTofu · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    test

  11. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Goatse.cx cretin, go bathe your head in the backside of a large and odorous pig ;-)

  12. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Haha, brilliant! I knew that 'fries' site would come in useful one of these days. Nice one!

    (author of fries)

  13. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    No.

  14. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Notice that Google inserts some characters after the "q=cache:" bit. The cache mechanism uses this string of characters to determine the URL to visit instead of the actual URL when present.
    So, in this case, http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:99vc1NI1LOI:a ny-url-here.com/
    will always lead to goatse.cx.


    Try it on your friends!

  15. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Google identifies what site to bring up by that cheksum in the url, not the site addr at the end. Try this one too. See? Same thing.

    (Might be J'Raxis, might be not. Maybe it's *WIPO*)

  16. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Sure. The Google link consists of two parts, the first part is a hash and the second is a comment. You can change the second part without affecting the destination of the link.

  17. Stephen King, author, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/fiction writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine house this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure we'll all miss him - even if you didn't read his books you've probably enjoyed one of his movies. Truly an American icon.

    1. Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      Hurrah! He's dead at last! Wooo-hooo!

      Yess! YES! HOORAY!! HURRAH!!!

      I could cry for joy! Whoo! Whooo! Whoo-whoo!!

      I'm so happy. You have made me a happy girl.

    2. Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Hey stupid, you posted this last week. It still isn't true. Otherwise it would be on the national news. Sounds like a radio stunt to me. Just like they did over in Dallas, they had a bunch of people convinced that Britney Spears died in a car wreck. They fired the DJ's the next day.

  18. Re:Slashdotted - an explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    It works with any page that google has cached.
    • Go to the google home page.
    • Search for the address of a web site. Example: vagina.rotten.com/fecaljapan
    • On the results page, find the shortcut to the cached page.
      It should be a google query in the form cache: (11 letter code) : (nice looking URL) .
    • Replace the URL with the location of your choice, and use this link on Slashdot, etc. Google uses the 11 letter code to reference the cached page; the URL after it is actually irrelevant!

    That good enough for you?

  19. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    That ain't a checksum, bitch.

  20. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Thank you. But, tell me, where did the name "fries" come from? It seems to have little to do with goat sex.

  21. Visionary Timothy McVeigh, dead at 33 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    As heard on NPR a few minutes ago - Anti-Government
    Visionary Timothy McVeigh was found dead in his Terre Haute
    prison this morning. I'm sure we'll all miss him - even if you
    didn't follow his work you've probably enjoyed some of his
    writings. Truly an American icon.

  22. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Don't know, it was just sort of random. Before fries, there was also 'noodle', which had the same image of the receiver as fries has, but in comp-u-geek style. But that got complaints so the webmasters of port5 killed it.

    I generally name little sites like that after foods, dunno why. Maybe I was just hungry.

    (author of fries)

  23. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    hey fries author ... good site you got there ... specially like the contrib section; funny stuff, man ... peace out

  24. wm2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    why the hell does anyone use bullshit bloatware like kde and gnome?!? they are slow gui pieces of shit, designed to be "user friendly". well, this is bullshit, because real unix users don't need user-friendliness! real men use wm2. one thing we don't need are these easier-to-use gui pieces of shit tempting normal people to think they can use unix. if you wanna use unix, RTFM!! this trend of inviting normal people onto the 1337 unix user bandwagon is why i switched from linux to freebsd (running wm2, of course). too many people are using linux today, only because some assholes have made it easier for them. this is stupid, because the only reason to use linux or some other unix is to be 1337 and different. i blame redhat!

  25. Re:GNU.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  26. Caldera is NOT DYING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Linux faces a bleak future. In fact there may be no future at all for Linux because Linux is dying. Things are looking very bad for Linux. As many of us are already aware, Linux continues to lose market share; red ink flows like a river of blood. Slackware Linux is perhaps the most in endangered. Let's look at the numbers.
    MandrakeSoft's CEO Henri Poole states that there are 70000 users of Linux-Mandrake. How many users of Debian GNU/Linux are there? Let's see. The number of Linux-Mandrake versus GNU/Linux posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. The refore there are about 70000/5 = 14000 GNU/Linux users. Slackware posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of GNU/Linux posts. Therefore there are about 7000 users of Slackware. A recent article put RedHat Linux at about 80 percent of the Linux market. Therefore there are (70000+14000+7000)*4 = 364000 RedHat Linux users. This is consistent with the number of RedHat Linux Usenet posts.

    Now Linux companies are consolidating, overhauling their business plans, laying off staff, scaling back expansion plans and pushing back profitability schedules. "It would seem there are too many distributions for the market to bear," said Gartner analyst Tom Henkel. (http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,269 5638,00.html)

    Red Hat, Inc., the leader in developing deploying and managing open source linux solutions, announced on a reported basis, a net loss of $24.2 million. (http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-0 3-22-010-20-PS)

    Turbolinux, based in Brisbane, Calif., a Linux-based software provider has withdrawn a $60 million initial public offering "in light of current market conditions." (http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010320/n20215287_2.html) (http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/03/20/deals/ipo/)

    Clayton-based Linuxgruven.com, a Linux training and service company with 106 employees, laid off 100 employees (http://stlouis.bcentral.com/stlouis/stories/2001/ 03/05/daily41.html)

    Lineo withdrew its initial public offering in January. Caldera Systems delayed the acquisition of Santa Cruz Operations' Unix software by a quarter. Linuxcare laid off dozens in February, with Linuxcare co-founders Dave Sifry and Dave LaDuke are among those departing. VA Linux Systems cut 114 people in February and delayed its expected profitability by nine months. (http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,269 5638,00.html)

    Due to the troubles of Corel, abysmal sales and so on, Corel Linux is going out of business and was nearly taken over by Microsoft who sell another troubled OS. Owing to the GPL, SuSE is laying off almost all of its US staff. Major marketing surveys show that Linux has steadily declined in market share. Even LinuxWorld.com shut down "because of the economy and everything else" (http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/03/13/ 1720254&mode=nocomment)

    Linux is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyists (i.e. those who dabble with Minix, Xinu, etc). Linux continues to falter. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Linux is dead.

    To make matters even worse, if you put Linux next to some other operating systems out there for a cost comparison, the conclusions are devastating for Linux.

    Linux costs not only more because of the frequent updates which require new cdrom's to be bought if you don't have a high speed Internet connection.

    Another factor in Linux cost is its maintenance. Linux requires a *lot* of maintenance, work doable only by the relatively few high-paid Linux administrators that put themselves - of course willingly - at a great place in the market. Linux seems to be needing maintenance continuously.

    Add to this the cost of loss of data. Linux' native file system, EXT2FS, is known to lose data like a firehose loses water, when the file system isn't unmounted properly. Other unix file systems are much more tolerant towards unexpected crashes. An example is the FreeBSD file system, which with soft updates enabled, performance-wise blows EXT2FS out of the water, and doesn't have the negative drawback of extreme data loss in case of a system breakdown.

    Factor in also the fact that crashes happen much more often on Linux than on other unices. On other unices, crashes usually are caused by external sources like power outages. Crashes in Linux are a regular thing, and nobody seems to know what causes them, internally.

    The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Linux' cost. The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Linux user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification. On top of that a lot of them spit out the most childish and unprofessional messages, indicating that they were created by 14-year olds with too much time, no talent and a bad attitude.

    I can go on and on and on, but the message is clear. In this world, there is no place for Linux. It's not an option for any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc. The best place it should ever reach is the toy store, and even that would be flattering.

    Linux is DYING!