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HP To Sell Custom High-Security GNU/Linux Distro
bc90021 writes: "CNET has this story about Hewlett Packard's new secure version of Linux. Using 2.4.2, it can supposedly detect attacks as they happen. (At $3,000, I think it should counter-attack, too.) It will be available on HP servers (duh), or on servers that pass the RedHat 7.1 server qualification tests."
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As a person who's first love was Linux, I feel qualified to commment on the reasons to migrate away from Linux. I started with Slackware in 97 from a cd in the back of my html book, basically a cheap way to get apache running without having to own an expensive risc machine. Anyways, I've toiled with linux thru the early hacker/academic days, thru the hype-days from 98 to 99, and still every-now-and-then install it for a friend in need. I've probably install Redhat over 100+ times at the Linux Users Group here in Dallas, and have installed Slackware upwards of 50+ times, Deb/suse/others upwards of 20+ each. Inversly, I've probably installed FreeBSD only a few times since I toned-down my OS-install fever. It gets old, really fast installing linux for the install project. Anyways.... as a seasoned Finux vet, I think that FreeBSD is better in many ways, except the userbase, and application base. There are more Finux users, and more Finux developers by several orders of magnitude compared to all the BSD distro's combined.
What I have noticed from this large group of Finux users is the fact that they are overtly insecure about their feelings of "elite-ness". In other words they tend to feel threatened by people who donn't join their band-wagon.... of finux evangelism. In fact, such a large majority of Finux userrs started using Finux simply because they percieve that Microsoft is a Monopoly, and or in some way they have negative feelings about microsoft. Other time sI find that they had feelings of inadiqatcies in their microsoft envrironment, and seeked an area where they are different.... again thsi goes back into the elitism aspect, and the need thereof to be elite, and/or different. In this wway they can justify putting Microsoft users down, by advertising that they are now Finux users.
The above being said, leads this very specific class of Finux users feelings insecure when they hear about an even more elite group of people, a smaller comunity, of more-often ex-finux users..... using something called BSD. The typical reactio is that they are not with us, therefor against us... type reaction... and the hostility, and missunderstandings ensue.
Most anti-BSD rehtoric posted on Slashdot is from the narrow minded Group of finux users taht simply feel threatened by something they simply don't understand. My Favorite argument to shootdown first is the hords of Finux folks, and windows folks that say Unix is 20 years old! Ha... 20 years ago unix was entirly different, and FreeBSD, compared to some old Unix systems of the 80's is like HUGE in all the different ways. Most of the time people have read this in some website, from an un-educated reporter. In reality, unix has had many huge changes over the years, as have os design and implementation over the years.... a direct result of CS students striving to push the limits. The word micro-kernel comes to mind, yes.. we now have modulare kernels too.... oh my... and don't forget about ever popular virtual memory idea... geeze... Unix sure is darn different that it was 20 years ago.
The fact is, and I can do a google search I find the Linus quote of how he would nto have ever created the Linux kernel if he had know about the Berkly System Dist. He was only aware of the Car-mellon like Minux system. Yup, he has said it, and you can find the quote on google, and past
I find taht most of the FreeBSD folsk are people tired of all the Linux hype.... I mean... we have tried all the distro's, played with all the various package systems, recompiled the finux kernel a time or two... doen some programming, etc, etc, etc..... Then, its liek FreeBSd is sitting right there, simple, eligant, beutiful. The first thing that most linux converts claim got them is the FreeBSD ports system. Really it is such a simple idea that we are suprised it hasn't caught on in the Finux world originally. Basically you have a cvs tree of all the software taht has been ported to the FreeBSD OS. To get updated versions of software, it is simple to just cvsup the entire ports collections, and then travel to the the software you want...say apache, and run "make install". Simpel as that... the latest, greated Apache with all the freebsd patches, and optimisatiosn are applied. No toiling with rpms, and the dreaded hunt for dependencies. The porsts systems checks for dependencies, downloading the latest version of Gmake if needed, or whatnot.
Other nice fetures about FreeBSD, and the other bsd's is taht the stability is paramount... a recent comparison of Unixes on sys admin magazine ranked FreeBSD the lowest of "out-of-the-box" installs for performance. Thsi is nto suprising since FreeBSD is build for stability (out-of the box), and many Finux distro's are optimised at the time of burnign the distro to CDROm, is highly optimised, and unstable.... so little tweaks are needed out of the box to make the system unstable... in other worlds the Finux systsm typically are more prone to instability under heavy loads that freeBSD. I won't bore you with teh technical details, as the lay-man won't get the jist of what I'm sayigng.
That being said... I'd advise the person who wrote the high-performance tuning guide, linked inthe article, to tone down a bit his kernel conf. It appeas to lean on the unstable side, especially with the extreamly high buffs lines under the useers line in the kern conf. oh well... it will push things to the extream limit.
It's really surprising that so few hardware manufacturers have their own Linux distributions. At least to me it would really just make sense for a hardware company to tailor a version of Linux (or maybe *BSD) to their own hardware and sell it pre installed.
Yes but they're hardware manufacturers. I'd assume that they have a limited number of software guys especially ones with lots of experience in this area as they tend to be expensive just to have hanging around. Anyway with everyone downsizing at the moment who are the hardware guys going to get rid of first? The designers of the next generation hardware which they need or a load of expensive software guys which bring political problems with them (see next comment).
The costs in doing so would, as far as I can tell, not be too large and this could give them more bargaining power against software companies
You can imagine just how popular they would be with MS if they did this e.g. no more large discounts, last to get the latest updates, bug issues remaining unresolved etc. The cost itself probably wouldn't be the issue, more the political concequences.
To most /. readers three kilo-bucks is a little much to pay for something you can download. To understand why this makes sense for business sales you have to think like a manager. A lot of managers don't care so much about what something costs as the reputation of the vendor.
Consider these two options:
A) The bearded, long-haired, overly-caffeinated freak from down the hall says "Hey, I can download this stuff for free off the internet. It'll make us really secure, honest." (Disclaimer: I am a bearded, long-haired, overly-caffeinated freak.)
B) A well-respected vendor has a $3000 product that will make the computers really secure. If it doesn't work, we can call them up and bitch at them. Furthermore, we have someone outside the company to blame if it breaks.
Now, you're the manager. You choose. This is a savvy move by HP - in addition to whatever actual value-added there is in their product, they are also cashing in a little on their name and reputation. They're selling percieved value as much as actual value.
Information wants to be $1.98/lb.
However, most of the angry people don't seem to have a true understanding of the underlying issues.
And this is, of course, something completely new and unheard of, and only relating to RMS.
Just because a few of us can read write and do a little math, doesn't mean we deserve to conquer the universe