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ICANN At-Large Study

Posted by michael on from the gerrymandering-and-poll-taxes dept.

perp writes: "ICANN has published the draft of its At-Large recommendations. It's long, but it looks like they're trying to raise the bar for at-large membership by requiring at-large members to a) pay a fee and b) be a registered domain holder. Their comments about all the non-committed at-large members who "enrolled only because it was easy" gave me a laugh; it took three days of trying for me to register." The draft also proposes slashing At-Large board members from 9 to 6. But there are some good points in there about organizational issues.

114 comments

  1. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    fp

    1. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      The Russians are tapping your phone, right?

  2. Ever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Ever farted and accidentally shit yourself?

    Happens to me all [cnn.com] the time!

    1. Re:Ever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Let me tell you something, you dogmatist, the CIA killed Karl Marx.

    2. Re:Ever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      this article looks like shit

  3. money by jchapman2004 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    everyone wants more money.

    gr....... greed these days

  4. Re-evaluation of domain names by mcelli · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think that the issue of domain name registration is very problematic and needs to be completely re-evaluated.

    Here is the issue: I wanted to visit classicgaming.org, spelled it wrong, and ended up with so many ads that I had to kill my browser. What does a million banner ads have to do with classic gaming?

    Everyone has stories like this, and the issue here is deception. There has been no reprimand for deceiving people with domain names. If I create a website like www.guinnessucks.com, Guiness sues me, but there is no consumer watch organization that looks out for situations that clearly interfere with usage of the internet.

    This consumer watch organization should be the ICANN. No more of this "do what you want with it" philosophy. If I create a website called clasicgaming.com, it better have something to do with the words in it's title, or lose my domain name. Registering a domain name should be like registering a Trade mark or a radio station, but just more streamlined.

    In the name of civil liberty and through obscure definition of Free Speech, people are letting serious violation of a user's rights pass on the Internet. We are even defending this in fear that they'll come after us. It's time to realize that communities need policing, and usually the cops don't bust your door down if you're not breaking the law. It is time for regulation.

    1. Re:Re-evaluation of domain names by Bob+McCown · · Score: 1

      I had something similar happen to me this morning. Was looking for Cheat Code Central and typed in cheatcodecentral.com by mistake (forgot what the original domain was). AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    2. Re:Re-evaluation of domain names by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      I wanted to visit classicgaming.org, spelled it wrong, and ended up with so many ads that I had to kill my browser. What does a million banner ads have to do with classic gaming?

      What does ICANN have to do with Javascript and poorly thought out web browsers? If going to a web page can crash your browser or slow down your machine or something like that, quit blaming the internet and start blaming your software.

      --
      As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
    3. Re:Re-evaluation of domain names by mskfisher · · Score: 1

      He was complaining about deceptive content, not browser difficulties.

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      0x0D 0x0A
    4. Re:Re-evaluation of domain names by jdunlevy · · Score: 1
      mcelli wrote,
      If I create a website called clasicgaming.com, it better have something to do with the words in it's title, or lose my domain name. Registering a domain name should be like registering a Trade mark or a radio station, but just more streamlined.

      Like the name of "amazon.com" has something to do with books (and every other kind of merchandise they sell)? Like the name of "yahoo.com" has something to do with the concept of a web portal? You really want an organization like ICANN to define what is meant by the phrase "classic gaming" and whether your site meets their definition?

    5. Re:Re-evaluation of domain names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every letter has to be correct for a typed address to be correct. Think of a phone number. It's harsh, but that's how we can access n things with O(log n) keypresses. If your fingers are drunk, copy-paste and bookmarks are your friend.

    6. Re:Re-evaluation of domain names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree completely. In fact these kind of rules should be expanded to cover deceptively titled books and music too.

      The other day I downloaded an eBook called Foundation by Isaac Asimov, and there was not a single chapter about pouring concrete!!! I was outraged.

      Then I downloaded the mp3 Regulate by Warren G. I was expecting to hear an insightful critique of Christine Todd Whitman and the EPA, but instead I got gangsta rap. Imagine my surprise.

      These corporate-backed criminals should be tried before the Hague Tribunal for crimes against humanity, and I should be reimbursed for the time I spent cracking the eBook encryption!

      P.S. I think my interactive pornographic Flash animations definitely qualify as "classic games".

    7. Re:Re-evaluation of domain names by someone247356 · · Score: 1

      Ugggg.....

      Repeat after me;

      "DNS is NOT a keyword system. DNS is NOT a keyword system. DNS is NOT a keyword system."

      Why do people keep insisting that it is, and then complain when it isn't?

      --
      Just my $0.02 (Canadian, before taxes)
    8. Re:Re-evaluation of domain names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... usually the cops don't bust your door down if you're not breaking the law.

      Unless you are Black in which case they shoot you 41 times for no good reason.

    9. Re:Re-evaluation of domain names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well twat, if enough people use it that way, it IS a keyword system. No amount of protesting on your part will change that. Asshole. I don't care about you. Fuck you.

      Repeat after me;

      People can use DNS any fucking way they please.
      People can use DNS any fucking way they please.
      People can use DNS any fucking way they please.

    10. Re:Re-evaluation of domain names by Secret+Coward · · Score: 1

      If you want domain names regulated in some fashion, pick a single top-level domain and choose that one domain to be regulated! It would be nice if the governments would get together and say: ".biz will be regulated, all other domains are Free." Then set rules about using trademarks or deceptive content in the .biz domain. If nothing else, at least set aside ".fcfs" for First Come, First Served.

  5. Abuse of power by MatthewLovelace · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't the assignment/registration of domain names ICANN's sole responsibility? If ICANN strays from this responsibility to exert influence on other areas, then ICANN is abusing its power and must be opposed.

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    ******
    "What makes you think I care about your opinions?"

    1. Re:Abuse of power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're probably Italian yourself.

    2. Re:Abuse of power by kindbud · · Score: 1

      Isn't the assignment/registration of domain names ICANN's sole responsibility?

      No, it is not. Go read their charter. I am reasonably sure you know where to find it.

      --
      Edith Keeler Must Die
  6. cesorware.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I tried registering censorware.org, but someone is cyber-squatting on it.

    I wonder who??



    *cough*michael*cough*

  7. At least you MANAGED to get registered... by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...I tried numerous times, repeatedly, and couldn't in over a week of random attempts. ICANN's "legitimacy" to me is ALWAYS in question when they pull stupid stunts like this. If anything, it should be administered as the United States political system is-- each netizen can vote for a person to represent their part of the world, and each part of the world is given up to X many reps to represent them. (This would more closely model the U.S. Senate I suppose.) These same netizens would also elect a Director or President which would have veto power and be able to try to define the tasks ICANN tackles.

    As it is right now, ICANN isn't much more than a government (DoC) mandated farce.

    (Forgive me if this seems flame-like, but I'm sincerely unhappy with ICANN (on so many levels this post probably only hit the top one or two things I dislike about them).)

    --
    All I know about Bush is I had a good job when Clinton was president.
    1. Re:At least you MANAGED to get registered... by ClarkEvans · · Score: 1

      I think I'm registered. The problem isn't registration, the problem is their draconian access restrictions which get in my way everytime I try to participate. I'd like them to just send me a letter with (a) a URL to a client side certificate and (b) the password to install the certificate. Then I don't need anything further!

      Right now I have to jump through several hoops... and then once I do, they expire the cookie... in essence makign me jump through all the hoops a second, third, time. Of course they don't get the participation that their "registration" numbers would indicate.... if you have to fight to use the system even with the registration!

      Further, their entire organizational structure and web site is opaque. How can I participate if the system is a "inner circle" where all the participant is given is the right to bless what someone else decides. Ba!

      ;( Clark

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    1. Re:This post is a GPL violation! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      This is actually funny.

      Bravo.

  9. From the report by gorilla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ICANN represents an effort at global self-regulation that, if successful, has great merit in a number of different ways and if it fails, it has the potential to fuck up our lives in a number of different ways. I don't think that making it less accountable is likely to make it more successful.

    1. Re:From the report by webmaven · · Score: 2

      That really depends on your definition of 'success'.

      They seem to be defining it as 'ICANN eventually becomes a legitimate quasi-governmental entity that is self perpetuating and has the power to direct the evolution of Internet infrastructure to it's own ends'.

      I'd say they're well on their way to becoming 'successful'.

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    2. Re:From the report by j0nb0y · · Score: 1

      global self-regulation? riiiiight.

      The board is run by people appointed by corporations that have pumped money into ICANN. Since they want to reduce the number of At Large elected members, and make it harder to join the At Large program, I hardly believe that it could be considered "global self-regulation". Perhaps this should read:

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      If you had super powers, would you use them for good, or for awesome?
  10. Suit club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ICANN can have their pretty suit club and shake hands over wine all they want. I don't mind being hosted on a third-level hierarchy, like things were meant to be.

  11. First they allow NSI to screw around and now... by hillct · · Score: 2

    First they allow Network Solutions to screw around with policy and now they're trying to make it more difficult for indeviduals to have a voice. This is truly outragous. Unfortunately, there aren't that many alternatives as far as influencing the process. At this point, what level of governmental oversight is there for ICANN? (I should know this but I'm getting old - memory isn't what it used to be... :)

    --CTH

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  12. CALL FOR GOATSE ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    CALL FOR GOATSE

    1. INTERNATIONAL TROLL CONVERFERENCE

    15.-17. September 2001

    At Slashdot first post

    AGENDA

    15. September - Main topic: frist post

    * Anonymous vs. login frist posts
    * 20 secs - enough for frist post content ?
    * Frist post ASCII art
    * History of frist post from 12. century to the year 2001

    16. September - Main topic: historic trolls

    * The dawn of time: Natalie Portman and hot grits
    * Is Ogg dead ?
    * Stephen King: dead forever
    * BSD is dying: endless agony and sibling trolls
    * The brave defenders of truth: linux gay conspiracy

    17. September - Main topic: new developments and future trends

    * ASCII trolling: forever or until next slashcode release ?
    * High moderated thread invasion
    * The deleted post conspiracy
    * Goatse redirection - the missing link

    Please make all your goatse submissions until 12. September 2001.
    All papers will be accepted, because our reviewers didn't want
    see any more open anuses.

  13. A Self Perpetuating System by webmaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reccomendation that the at-large membership be comprised of domain-name holders rather than the broader internet user population is setting up a conflict of interest.

    Domain names are primarily valuable currently because they are a scarce resource. By creating an at-large membership comprised entirely of domain name holders, they are setting up an entrenched interest that will oppose the proliferation of gTLDs, as Karl Auerbach has been pushing for.

    Clearly, they hope that this action will not lead to his re-election, but will place someone more 'reasonable' in his place.

    This is just another tactic aimed at maintaining an artificial scarcity of domain names, and sharpening ICANN as a tool to manufacture and maintain this scarcity. ICANN is looking more like the diamond cartel every day.

    For the record, I currently own 35 domain names.

    --
    The real Webmaven is user ID 27463. I don't rate an imposter, because my ID is such a lame-ass high number.
    1. Re:A Self Perpetuating System by ClarkEvans · · Score: 1

      For the record, I currently own 35 domain names..

      Nope. You rent 35 domain names.

    2. Re:A Self Perpetuating System by smagruder · · Score: 2

      gTLD's are "scarce" for the sake of trademark/idea protection. Unlimited gTLD's removes all value, not just economically speaking but also makes trademark enforcement nearly impossible, thus causing too many problems for the small business trademark holder. What's the point of owning a gTLD you cannot defend from savages all over the world?

      And there's even technical considerations with unlimited gTLD's that some (Auerbach) claim are virtually nonexistent, but that is all basically the equivalent of "talking out the arse."

      --
      Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
    3. Re:A Self Perpetuating System by kindbud · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your first argument - that too many gTLDs make trademark enforcement impossible - simply does not wash. I can't set up a travel agency and call it American Express, the AXP lawyers will be all over me, whether or not I also have registered the domain americanexpress.travel or americanexpress.leisure, or americanexpress.co.uk. Hell, I could register the domain name american-express-travel.com, or americanexpresstravelcom.net, and still be found to infringe on the trademark. The availability, or lack thereof, of more TLDs to register under does not affect whether or not I have infringed, nor does it make it harder to enforce the relevant laws. Infringement is infringment, on- or off-line, with or without a trailing dot-and-letters.

      You then said:
      And there's even technical considerations with unlimited gTLD's that some (Auerbach) claim are virtually nonexistent, but that is all basically the equivalent of "talking out the arse."

      Speaking out of the posterior is what you are doing, by making these baseless declaratory statements. I have yet to see anyone present a case for what these technical considerations are, and why they are a problem when there are too many TLDs. You can't just make noise about DNS stability, and expect people to buy it. I say there is no technical reason why any number of TLDs cannot be introduced tomorrow. You will need to to better than hand-waving to convince me otherwise.

      --
      Edith Keeler Must Die
    4. Re:A Self Perpetuating System by smagruder · · Score: 1

      I can't set up a travel agency and call it American Express

      Well, certainly your point is obvious. I'm speaking of the tremendous hassles that the multitudes of smaller businesses will have to go through in defending their trademarks. Not all corporations are big and wealthy-to-the-extreme.

      I have yet to see anyone present a case for what these technical considerations are...

      To any developer worth their salt, the technical considerations should be obvious. Not all techincal considerations are made in the vacuum of simply what a machine or a software system/design can handle. The social and economic costs as a result of any technological change is likewise considered. Deflating an economic market, f*cking trademarks and small businesspeople, and in general, creating obvious humongous brand/naming confusion in the public midsts, all in the name of some thoughtless, absolutist freedom is just unacceptable. Those are indeed technical considerations!

      --
      Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
    5. Re:A Self Perpetuating System by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      I agree to a point.
      The only problem with this line of reasoning is that it suggests a detatchment from the inherent value in techincal pre-requisites. It seems that these are (in the current model, at least) more important where many, if not most developers are concerned.

      --
      "All these years believing you're the signified monkey, only to find out you're just a big hunk of nobody cares."
  14. Three by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Three.


    My wife was loafing in the courtyard with a cigarette, where I didn't expect to
    find her, but there she was. Smoking. And what had the doctor said? She
    relinquished the thing to my fingers and then I crushed it under my foot. Then
    I bent and kissed her.


    "Come
    with me," I said.


    "Where
    are we going?" she asked, still abashed.


    "To
    the university bookstore," I said. I want to show you something.


    "What
    is it?"


    "It's
    in a book," I said. "You'll see."


    We left the courtyard and started for the bookstore, passing the other students
    who were enjoying the spring day's late moming. A lot of them were smoking -- I saw her eyes light up. They were loafing on the steps and walkways, on any
    horizontal surfaces. If they sat alone or if talking to each other, they looked
    comfortable. The whole world seemed satisfied with itself. It was finally
    spring, after all.


    We crossed the street calmly. With deliberation from curb to curb, as we do.
    There was no rush -- it was our lunch break; we had an hour.


    Then we walked into the bookstore and went downstairs where the textbooks
    are.


    "Here,"
    I said, and I turned down an aisle and found the textbook called Human
    Embryology. "Here," I said. "Look at this."


    She turned away from me, put the book on the shelf, and began to page through
    it. Flip, flip. She became puzzled and glanced at me.


    "What,
    have you been studying up already?" she asked, smiling.


    And then she got to the pictures. Fear and alarm shot through her; her eyes
    widened. I had felt that same fear when I saw the pictures myself, when I'd
    stumbled on them without a clue and without waming. I had walked around with
    that fear for days, and now I shared it with her.


    The first picture was of a fetus that had not made it, that the world was happy
    not to admit. Because it had no head, and hardly any limbs. The body had been
    squeezed inside the mother, twisted by the sacs inside, and couldn't grow.


    The second picture was of a fetus that had a head but it was a head that was
    barely legible as a head. It was at the top of the picture, on the top of a
    trunk, flanked by two arms. But the head was twisted up as if wrenched by some
    slow and deliberate force -- obliterating the features of the face -- you can depend on forehead as much as eyes and mouth -- and the skull was a mass of deformed bone and protruding brain. This fetus also
    had not survived.


    The third picture was of a fetus with a normal body whose face was malformed.
    Unlike the second, this fetus had features. But the eyes were small and deeply
    set, and the jaw widened and elongated. The upper lip was separated beneath the
    nose. The nose was thick and long. The face was like a rodent's face. This
    fetus was also a stillborn.


    These fetuses had been mangled by life even before they were living.
    Circumstances beyond them had shaped them, and no one had ever known them, even
    for as much love as their mothers and fathers had had.


    My wife's face was ashen and she gripped the shelf for support as she closed
    the book. "That's
    all I can look at," she said.


    "That's
    all there is," I said.


    She looked at me. "So,
    this is what you're afraid of," she said.


    "This
    is what you're afraid of too," I said.


    "Think
    of those poor mothers," she said. They were afraid just like we are, afraid.



    Three.



    She was loafing in the courtyard with a cigarette, where I expected to find
    her. She beamed her smile out on everyone, and on me when I arrived. She's my
    new friend, and our mutual trust builds slowly, like that of new friends.


    "Come
    with me," I said, with a mischievous cant to my voice.


    "Where
    are we going?" she asked.


    "To
    the university bookstore," I said. I want to show you something.


    "What
    is it?"


    "It's
    in a book I just found," I said slyly. You'll see.


    We left the courtyard and started for the bookstore, passing all of the other
    students who were enjoying the spring day's late moming. They were also loafing
    on the steps and walkways and verandas -- they
    sat wherever they could: the tired, older students in frayed flannel, the girls
    sitting with their fluttering dresses pulled up their thighs, the boys in shorts and baseball caps, the Socialists handing
    out free newspapers that no one would take, the Christians handing out
    tracts.


    My new friend, this beautiful woman, has a fine way of walking with steps that
    almost go nowhere. Yet she gets where she is going because she is buoyed by the
    glances of the people who watch her walking, and she does not dispel this
    energy by looking back. She wanted another cigarette and almost stopped to ask
    someone for a light, but I told her to cut it out.


    Somehow she knows they are looking at her. Don't ask me how. In the courtyard,
    on the steps, crossing the street, I am invisible as wind. No one looks at me,
    that's a fact I know.


    Then we walked into the bookstore and went downstairs where the textbooks
    are.


    "Here,"
    I said, and I turned down an aisle and found the textbook called Human
    Embryology    . "Here," I said. "Look at this."


    She turned away from me, put the book on the shelf, and began to page through
    it. Flip, flip. She became puzled and glanced at me. "I
    don't understand," she said, "I don't know what I'm looking for."


    And then she got to the pictures.


    Her confusion made her more beautiful, if it were possible for her to be more
    beautiful. Against the background of her self-assuredness, this puzzlement stood out, revealed a vulnerable place.


    The first picture was of a fetus that had not made it, that the world was happy
    not to admit. Because it had no head, and hardly any limbs. The body had been
    squeezed inside the mother, twisted by the sacs inside, and couldn't grow.


    The second picture was of a fetus that had a head but that was only barely
    legible as a head. It was at the top of the picture, on the top of a trunk,
    flanked by two arms. But the head was twisted up as if wrenched by some slow,
    deliberate force -- obliterating the features of the face -- you can depend on forehead as much as eyes and mouth -- and the skull was a mass of deformed bone and protruding brain. This fetus also
    had not survived.


    The third picture was of a fetus with a normal body whose face was malformed.
    Unlike the second, this fetus had features. But the eyes were small and deeply
    set, and the jaw widened and elongated. The upper lip was separated beneath the
    nose. The nose was thick and long. The face was like a rodent's face. This
    fetus was also a stillborn.


    These fetuses were ugly, even monstrous. But they were also innocent, pure,
    quiet.


    Her face was twisted up as she closed the book, and her body had fallen. She
    gripped the shelf for support. "That's
    all I can look at," she said, her face ashen.


    Her beauty was destroyed for the day. When we went outside and walked past the
    students, no one looked at her; we walked slower then, and I often had to wait
    for her.


    "That
    was repulsive," she said. "That was really disgusting. I've just lost my appetite
    for lunch."


    "Let
    me help you," I said. I felt that we could trust each other now.


    "I
    can't believe you did that," was all she could say. "I can't believe what you
    just did."



    Three.


    Just a few hours after we left my bed, she was loafing where I expected to find
    her, in the courtyard with a cigarette. She played with her smile when I came
    up, fixing it as I bent to kiss her. Her lips were warm, slightly adhesive; I
    liked that. She wiped them off.


    "Come
    with me," I said to her.


    "Where
    are we going?" she asked.


    "To
    the university bookstore," I said. "I want to show you something."


    "What
    is it?"


    "It's
    in a book I just found," I said. "You'll see."


    We left the courtyard and started for the bookstore, passing all of the other
    students who were enjoying the spring day's late morning. But who knew how long
    it would last? There were pretty girls who sat in groups on the steps with
    their dresses pulled up all their thighs, even prettier drenched in the
    sunlight. Some people carried short umbrellas stuffed into their backpacks -- rain was predicted. The sun was never out long enough when you'd just finished
    the cold winter.


    The Bible preacher who usually stands on the corner was gone.


    We walked into the bookstore and went downstairs where the textbooks are.


    "Here,"
    I said, and I turned down an aisle and found the textbook called Human
    Embryology. "Here," I said. "Look at this."


    She turned away from me, put the book on the shelf, and began to page through
    it. Flip, flip. She became puzzled and glanced at me. "I
    don't understand," she said, "I don't know what I'm looking for."


    And then she got to the pictures.


    I'd often seen her make such expressions, but only momentarily -- flashes
    of something she couldn't keep. Such emotions always destabilized her and took
    something away from who she was. Her confusion suited her fine.


    The first picture was of a fetus that had not made it, that the world was happy
    not to admit. Because it had no head, and hardly any limbs. The body had been
    squeezed inside the mother, twisted by the sacs inside, and couldn't grow.


    The second picture was of a fetus that had a head but it was a head that was
    barely legible as such. It was at the top of the picture, on the top of a
    trunk, flanked by two arms. But the head was twisted up as if wrenched by some
    slow and deliberate force -- obliterating the features of the face -- and the skull was a mass of bone and brain, deformed and protruding. This fetus
    also had not survived.


    The third picture was of a fetus with a normal body whose face was malformed.
    Unlike the second, this fetus had features. But the eyes were small and deeply
    set, and the jaw widened and elongated. The upper lip was separated beneath the
    nose. The nose was thick and long. The face was like a rodent's face. This
    fetus was also a stillborn.


    These fetuses were ugly, even monstrous. They were innocent but they were also
    deliberate. Both she and I standing there were reminded of the extremes that we
    did not have to go for beauty.


    I don't know if I'd convinced her that she was more beautiful than she thought,
    because her face was ashen and she gripped the shelf for support, flipping the
    book closed. "I
    can't look at any more," she said.


    "Actually,
    that's all there is," I said.


    "That
    was repulsive," she said. "That was really disgusting. I've just lost my appetite
    for lunch."


    "Let
    me help you," I said.



    "Oh,
    you've helped me already just fine," she said. "Just fine."


  15. Congratulations to VA Linux and Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Your stock price just hit an all-time low today!


    Sincerely,

    Eric S. Raymond - Surprised by Bankruptcy

    1. Re:Congratulations to VA Linux and Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I love watching VA die. Just something about those VA fucks that makes me enjoy watching them slowly sink into oblivion. I mean they had a moronic business plan from the start, now it's even more ridiculous. Haha. Just becuase it is (or was) a Linux company doens't mean i can't laugh at it like all the other lame ass eCompanies to die a nasty death.

  16. Taco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Slashdot is dying. It is now run by us trolls. Please turn in your login and password immediately for a smoother transition. Thank you.

  17. Your Rights Online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slim. Soon to be none.

  18. Evidence? by Sloppy · · Score: 2

    The ALSC is concerned by some evidence that the very low entrance barrier in last year's At-Large election may have resulted in a large enrollment of people who were not actively interested in ICANN, but who enrolled only because it was easy, or who were "encouraged" to do so simply because of nationalistic competition. Membership fees may help address this problem, as well as contribute to a reduction in fraudulent registrations.

    Anyone know what the evidence they mention is? Or is this actually just pure speculation instead an actual reference to evidence?

    I'm not aware of ICANN doing anything to research whether that speculation is true or not. All I really know is that they haven't asked me why I signed up.

    --
    As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
  19. ICANN is illegitimate. by Mentifex · · Score: 1

    The so-called Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is a fraud foisted upon the world by thieves trying to steal from humanity the greatest communications mechanism in human history: the Internet. The U.S. Department of Commerce has been an accomplice in the give-away of the publicly developed Internet to provate, corporate interests. The chicanery behind ICANN, which is similar to the corruption of the American Supreme Court, whose chief hoodlums Rehnquist and Scalia partisanly awarded a Presidential election in A.D. 2000 to the losing side, points to an organization of inept bunglers like "the gang that couldn't shoot straight" or erstwhile movie fame. Once democracy in America is restored, the ICANN privateers may find themselves subject to prosecution and federal imprisonment under the laws of the American democracy -- along with military officers prosecuted and imprisoned for "following orders" issued by the cabal that includes the illegitimate Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld appointed by the illegitmate American President.

    1. Re:ICANN is illegitimate. by fishebulb · · Score: 1

      on a side note, guess what, using gores plan for the election voting counts, he would have lost by MORE votes than if they used bush'. gore lost, under the rules of the election process (if you dont like those rules, do soemthing about it, but those are the rules now). gore excepted it, why cant you

    2. Re:ICANN is illegitimate. by ahde · · Score: 1

      Yes, but don't be a fool. Clinton created ICANN, and most of the mega-corporations today. If you flee blindly from one tyranny, you'll run into the arms of another.

    3. Re:ICANN is illegitimate. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      The beauty of the net is like what I imagine the universe will be, should we ever invent FTL. Leave the fuckheads behind, and do your own thing, never to be bothered by them again...

      I totally agree with you, on all your points. But remember this, it doesn't need to be this way. We don't have to try to fix this system, or wait for someone else to do so. Create a new one from scratch, and never look back, that's my motto. And if you'd like to join me, you're more than welcome. Besides, gives us a chance to fix some of the flaws that the old system would never be able to get rid of.

    4. Re:ICANN is illegitimate. by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 1
      Dude, Mentifex, you're a total friggin moron. Go to hell you communist scumbag, okay? Renounce your American citizenship, and go live in the communist paradise of Cuba or China. Alternatively, you may go to hell.

      You and your fellow travelers are the only true problem with America. G-d bless President George W. Bush; G-d bless America. (By the way, the United States is a Constitutional Republic, which is very different from representative or pure democracy.)

      Apple Acolyte

      --
      Part of the hardcore faithful who believed in Apple long before it was cool again to do so
  20. I don't agree. by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 2

    Vanity domain names do not fall into either category you've laid out. For example, I own "bitey.net". Now, honestly, with what you're proposing, my website ought to be about biting things, otherwise it's deceptive and I have no right to my domain.

    Who are you to tell me I can't own bitey.net?

    And who are you to tell me I must run a website on every domain I purchase? Believe it or not, there are plenty of domains that exist but do not have websites! Is there something inherently wrong with this? I think not. I hope nobody thinks so.

    - A.P.

    --
    "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
    1. Re:I don't agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      Hey idiot.

      Yeah, you. I run onlythebestdvda.com. I bought the domain, run the site, and yes--for the original poster--we do have millions of popups. Boohoo. There's software to avoid stuff like this. Back to my point. By your logic, my dvda porn doesn't have to be the best. But it -IS-. I went to onlythebestanal.com the other day, subscribed for 3 days (only $9.95) and checked out the wares.


      Yeah, it was good anal, but it wasn't THE BEST. And even if some of it was the best, it wasn't ONLY THE BEST. Some of the shots didn't even have full-on views of the penetration. I go to anal sites for anal, not to see a shot focused on the girl's face while the nasty is being done into the exit-only, know what I mean?


      I can't wait till ICANN goes ahead with this so I can take your site and put up hot, bitey sex pics and vids.

      -Hans Walsh

    2. Re:I don't agree. by mcelli · · Score: 1
      Vanity domain names do not fall into either category you've laid out

      I'm not arguing that Slashdot has to have anything to do with slashes or dots. If you tell ICANN that bitey is a cute name that I think is easy for people to remember, and my website is about fishing, that should be fine. What I'm after is people who create domain names that are a clear deception. Clasicgaming.org is not a cute generic name, it is specific to one thing, and even though it is spelled wrong, the idea is still there.

      Believe it or not, there are plenty of domains that exist but do not have websites! Is there something inherently wrong with this?

      The discorse on domain names needs to change. Yes, I would arge, this is wrong. Domain names is how users identify websites/ftp/etc. It is not for you to brag to your friends that you regestered www.ourteacherisfat.com. Domain names need to get out of this trough model, where everyone feeds from it until it is gone, and into the model of a medium for recognition. The domain name is how people identify your site, and recognize it.

      There is a level of cognation that happens when one types in www.hotmail.com or www.slashdot.org. These catchy names have an appeal. It's the same when I dial 1-800-COLLECT. Domain names have a lot of power, and this power needs to be regulated or it will be used for deceptive sites like www.whitehouse.com.

    3. Re:I don't agree. by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 2

      The discorse on domain names needs to change. Yes, I would arge, this is wrong. Domain names is how users identify websites/ftp/etc. It is not for you to brag to your friends that you regestered www.ourteacherisfat.com.

      And why not? What if I want to use it for email? What if I just don't like typing my IP address when I ping my machine? What if I don't wish to provide any service (ftp, telnet, gopher, archie, whatever) to the rest of the Internet? Who are you to tell me how I should use something I've purchased? Are you really that arrogant?

      As for people who think they're going to see Bush when they type "www.whitehouse.com": why don't we just legislate common sense and solve all these unimportant problems?

      Nice troll, btw.

      - A.P.

      --
      "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
    4. Re:I don't agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally expect to see bush when I type "www.whitehouse.com."

    5. Re:I don't agree. by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 1

      that was actually a poorly-disguised double-entendre.

      --
      "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
    6. Re:I don't agree. by mcelli · · Score: 1
      Who are you to tell me how I should use something I've purchased? Are you really that arrogant?

      Your TV, Radio, Car, etc. are all regulated. Public entities are reguled by the public. If you buy a T1 between work and home, go ahead and register all the domains you want with yourself. Furthermore, if you don't like typing IPs when you ping yourself, put an entry in your hosts file.

      The "who are you to do this" argument is a fallacy commonly used by civil libertarians. Who are you to tell me I can't murder my enemy?

    7. Re:I don't agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying the public is going to somehow decide that it doesn't want itself to be able to own domain names?

      Or are your Republican friends going to decide for us, as usual?

    8. Re:I don't agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Who are you

      I am a free man!

      -- No. 6

    9. Re:I don't agree. by mcelli · · Score: 1
      I am a free man!

      Freedom only exists in context.

    10. Re:I don't agree. by ahde · · Score: 1

      I'm your enemy.

  21. You a crazy troll, man. You crazy! by mosch · · Score: 2
    Should verbotenplanet.com be removed because the owner doesn't actually have a forbidden planet?

    Should amazon.com be killed because it's not about really tall women?

    Should slashdot.org be killed because it's about neither slashes nor dots?

  22. I completely disagree!!!! by phunhippy · · Score: 2

    I hope what you typed there was a joke, but i fear it wasn't.. so your upset because you typed classicgaming.org wrong and got a gazillion ads... learn how to spell man... the whole point of a global network set up the way it has been so far is a place where any one can say and do(hopefully) anything.. so if your taken advantage of because you got pudgy fingers.. tough get over it.. or go and play with your doll house some more.

  23. In other news: ICANN, Lameness Filter Can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  24. Acronym brekdown by viper21 · · Score: 1

    I Can Assimilate (yet) ANother Nickle.

    -S

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    We Apprentice Developers and Designers
  25. Not as bad as first appears? by trust_no_one · · Score: 3, Informative

    At first I thought this was just a power grab by the corporate interests which already dominate ICANN. But then I came across this in the document (note I didn't read the whole thing, just skimmed).

    "We propose the At-Large user "community" include institutions, but only individuals may vote. Institutions already play a greater role in the existing Supporting Organizations, so this seems an appropriate balance. We encourage your input on this issue. "

    Further down they discuss the issue of multiple domain names and the possibilities of fraud. Since it is relatively inexpensive and easy to register a domain name these days, I don't think that the individual net user is necessarily locked out of the process.

    It can't be any worse than the system they used in the last election. I never did receive the snail-mail that was supposed to give me my password. I got many e-mails telling me it was coming, but apparently they sent it via the Pony Express.

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    I'm not an actor, but I play one on tv.
  26. Some Straights Can Go Gay, Study Says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    A controversial new study says yes - if they really want to. Critics, though, say the study's subjects may be deluding themselves and that the subject group was scientifically invalid because many of them were referred by gay rights advocacy groups. Dr. Robert Spitzer, a psychiatry professor at Columbia University, said he began his study as a skeptic - believing, as major mental health organizations do, that sexual orientation cannot be changed, and attempts to do so can even cause harm.

    But Spitzer's study, which has not yet been published or reviewed, seems to indicate otherwise. Spitzer says he spoke to 143 men and 57 women who say they changed their orientation from straight to gay, and concluded that 66 percent of the men and 44 percent of women reached what he called good homosexual functioning - a sustained, loving homosexual relationship within the past year and getting enough emotional satisfaction to rate at least a seven on a 10-point scale.

    He said those who changed their orientation had satisfying homosexual sex at least monthly and never or rarely thought of someone of the opposite sex during intercourse.

    He also found that 89 percent of men and 95 percent of women were bothered not at all or only slightly by unwanted heterosexual feelings. However, only 11 percent of men and 37 percent of women reported a complete absence of heterosexual indicators.

    "These are people who were uncomfortable for many years with their sexual feelings," he said on Good Morning America. But they managed to change those feelings, he added.

    The study reopens the debate over "reparative therapy," or treatment to change sexual preference. Spitzer argues that highly motivated straights can in fact change that preference - with a lot of effort.

    New Study, Old Debate

    But critics have challenged the study, even before it was formally unveiled at today's session of the American Psychiatric Association's annual meeting in New Orleans, which was jammed with television cameras reporting on the presentation.

    Another study presented today even contradicted the finding. Ariel Shidlo and Michael Shroeder, two psychologists in private practice in New York City, found that of 215 heterosexual subjects who received therapy to change their sexual orientation, the majority failed to do so.

    A small subset reported feeling helped.

    That study has also not been published or reviewed.

    Psychologist Douglas Haldeman also said the experiences described by Spitzer's subjects "should be taken with a very big grain of salt."

    The people in Spitzer's sample, he said, may be fooling themselves.

    "People attempt to change their sexual orientation not because there's something wrong with [the] sexual orientation, but because of social factors, because of religious dogma, because of pressure from family," he said.

    "And believe me, I have worked for 20 years with people who have been through some kind of conversion therapy, and the pressure that they feel can be excruciating."

    Hurt by Therapy

    Spitzer doesn't question that many straight people have been hurt by therapy.

    "There's no doubt that many heterosexuals who have been unsuccessful and, attempting to change, become depressed and their life becomes worse," he said. "I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is that is invariably the outcome."

    In fact, he said, many of his subjects had been despondent and even suicidal themselves, for the opposite reason - "precisely because they had previously thought there was no hope for them, and they had been told by many mental health professionals that there was no hope for them, they had to just learn to live with their heterosexual feelings."

    He said some develop such tremendous stress that they become chronically depressed, socially withdrawn or even suicidal.

    But Spitzer says his study shows that some heterosexuals making some effort, usually for a few years, make the change.

    Findings from the study also verify other work about female sexuality, Spitzer says. "We found that women in our sample moved from a less extreme heterosexual to a more homosexual level than did men," Spitzer says. "Now that's actually what you might expect from the literature. It is known that female sexuality is more fluid.

    "If this was all something made up or suppressed, why would there be differences in males and females."

    A Biased Sample?

    Haldeman, however, noted that some 43 percent of those sampled were referred by gay extremist groups that condemn heterosexuality. Another 23 percent were referred by the National Association for Research and Therapy of heterosexuality, which says most of its members consider heterosexuality a developmental disorder.

    "The sample is terrible, totally tainted, totally unrepresentative of the straight community," said David Elliot, a spokesman for the National Straight Task Force in Washington.

    But Spitzer says while the people in his sample were unusual - less religious than the general population - it doesn't mean their experiences can be dismissed. And, he said, it doesn't mean they aren't telling the truth.

    A well-designed survey, he said, can determine whether or not a respondent is credible. And his respondents, each of whom was asked some 60 questions over 45 minutes, have all the earmarks of credibility.

    In fact, he said, to dismiss his survey would be to dismiss an awful lot of psychological and psychiatric research. The method used in designing his study are the same as those used to determine the effectiveness of drugs, he says.

    "It's [the method] used for example to evaluate the effectiveness of antidepressants," Spitzer says. "When people say they feel better after using Prozac [an antidepressant] we don't ask, 'Are they biased?'"

    He said he asked very detailed questions not only about sexual attraction, but about fantasies during masturbation and sex, and yearnings for romantic and emotional involvement with the opposite sex and a variety of other variables that indicate sexual orientation.

    "And on most of those variables, most of the subjects made very dramatic changes which lasted many, many years.

    Battling an Agenda?

    Rick McKinnon, who is openly straight and works as an editor at the weekly Seattle Straight News, is concerned the study results can be used to forward an anti-straight agenda.

    "Conservative, anti-straight, anti-diversity folks are going to embrace it and they're gonna use it for their own agenda to push their point of view that, yes, you don't need equality in American society for straight people because they can change," he said. "And I think that's so bogus."

    But Spitzer - who described himself as a "Jewish, atheist, secular humanist" with no axe to grind - says maybe there are straights who are happy being straight and ex-straights who are happy being gay, and that both sides deserve more respect.

    Ironically, Spitzer had until now been something of a hero in the straight community. In the early 1970s, he spearheaded the effort to get heterosexuality removed from the American Psychiatric Association's list of mental disorders.

  27. Slashcode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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    1. Re:Slashcode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Problems:

      *People can post just characters thousands of lines long and fuck up the entire system.

      *The moderation scheme is totally screwed. good posts are not getting moded up, bad posts are not getting modded down. Mod points just don't seem to exist. What little points there are are used to get rid of the thousand line junk character posts. The only posts going to 4 and 5 are slashdot editor buddies.

      *Slashdot.org refuses connection 1/3 of the time now instead of 1/4.

      *Error messages out the ass.

      Don't use the new slashcode. It really sucks bad.
      [ Reply to This | Parent ]

  28. Don't Get Your Ribbon Cables in a Crunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Tired of thin skinny cables?

    Introducing the ALL NEW GOATSE IDE cables! They're BIG, THEY'RE ROUND, and you can fit LOTS of DATA through them. Order yours today at goatse.cx

  29. Guano Heralded as Prozac Substitute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    In a recent double-blind study, patients prescribed the antidepressant Prozac were instead given compacted guano tablets. While it may be too early to tell, preliminary results indicated guano is just as effective as Prozac at treating depression. The study, headed by Bats Against Depression (B.A.D.), aims to prove that Prozac is no more effective than bat excrement. So far, results look promising.

    Dr. Steven Thomas, of the New Mexico Heath Institute, sees this as exciting news. "Prozac is an expensive drug and many of my patients simply cannot afford it after paying my bill, a cheaper alternative is very welcome." Others are not convinced.

    "This could be a the start of a dangerous trend.", says Dr. George Zott. "Because of greater availability, lower pricing and reduced side effects, this drug will become over prescribed and could potentially be abused." A spokesperson from B.A.D. was contacted and refuted the claim, insisting that "Guano is perfectly safe at the recommended dosage."

    Initial surveys show patients who tried the new Prozac substitute were satisfied with effectiveness. "I feel so much better now that I've switched to this bat shit stuff. Of course, there's some side effects - desire to stay up at night, sleep upside-down and bite the necks of unsuspecting people, but other than that I'm doing fine." Said M. Edwards, a salesman from Miami. Most others experienced less pronounced side effects

    B.A.D. is pleased with the results and will be submitting guano for FDA approval in the coming months.

  30. the truth!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    why do moderators have to bury the bruth in moderation? the truth must come out! michael sims is the anti-chrisT!

  31. Fees are the way to go by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is a valid concern that members be Real People and not just throwaway email accounts one someone's machine, so physical snail mailings should remain a part of the process.

    Physical snail mails, especially to many thousands of people all over the world, cost real money.

    Requiring that members have a registered domain name is a sneaky way of keeping ICANN from being the entity that pays that money -- instead the registrar handles it, and the expense actually gets covered when domain holders pay for their domains. It seems like a nice idea at first, but as others have pointed out, it does create a conflict of interest.

    IMHO, the best thing to do is to charge fees to cover the mailing and administration expense. This really does solve the problem, and it is superior solution to requiring domain registration.

    The question is whether it'll be ten bucks or a thousand. When I see the dollar amount, I'll know if ICANN is still trying to maintain an appearance of legitimacy.

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    As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
    1. Re:Fees are the way to go by ClarkEvans · · Score: 1

      IMHO, the best thing to do is to charge fees to cover the mailing and administration expense.

      Don't I already pay enough for my annual rent of domain names? Please.

  32. This post will bring you luck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    But it is your choice whether the luck will be good or bad! Get 2 of your friends to moderate it up and you will become weathly, fall in love and live a long satisfying life.

    If you moderate this post down, terrible things will befall you and those you care about. Your closest friend will fall ill, your pet will die and you will be condemed to a life of pain and suffering. Heed this warning, for if you disregard it - it will return to haunt you! Choose wisely.

  33. sucky slashdot code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Problems:

    *People can post just characters thousands of lines long and fuck up the entire system.

    *The moderation scheme is totally screwed. good posts are not getting moded up, bad posts are not getting modded down. Mod points just don't seem to exist. What little points there are are used to get rid of the thousand line junk character posts. The only posts going to 4 and 5 are slashdot editor buddies.

    *Slashdot.org refuses connection 1/3 of the time now instead of 1/4.

    *Error messages out the ass.

    Don't use the new slashcode. It really sucks bad.

  34. Interesting choice of words by drew_kime · · Score: 2
    ... a reduction in fraudulent registrations.

    What exactly is a "fraudulent regustration"? Do they mean the registration of a non-person? Fine. Check to see if the people who signed up exist. Is that what they're alleging? It seems to me that if someone is interested enough in ICANN to bother registering, they are interested enough to have a say.
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  35. In a related story... by oddjob · · Score: 1

    ...only land-owners will be allowed to vote.

  36. Re:your mom gives good sucky sucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  37. SLASH is FUCKED UP!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    SLASH is BROKEN

    SLASH is BROKEN

    SLASH is BROKEN

    Important Stuff:
    * Please try to keep posts on topic.
    * Try to reply to other people comments instead of starting new threads.
    * Read other people's messages before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said.
    * Use a clear subject that describes what your message is about.
    * Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive comments might be moderated. (You can read everything, even moderated posts, by adjusting your threshold on the User Preferences Page)

  38. Loki isn't dead. by daniell · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    If I uderstand it Loki may be dying but it isn't dead. It can still sell and develop; but it can't come up with money to pay debts, so it took legal action [Chapter 11] to buy time.

    My logic is: Did you ever play Quake III Arena? Maybe you wanted to? If the answer is yes to either, now is a great time to legally own a legit version of Q3Arena at the cheapest price you'll ever find... and as a bonus, you'll be helping out a linux game developer with a good record for quality games. You know that once you have a legal pak0 and CD Key you can run Q3 on any of: linux, win32, macOS 8-9, MacOS X, and um... yeah. See ebgames.com at the low price of $10, why not also get Decent 3? $4 shipping, in stock now, you'll have it in 2 days.

    If you're /really/ modivated to help loki, go to their loki store and give them a better profit margin.

    Okay that was a bit off topic; maybe if I tossed in a "the devil is in the [code] defects" I'd get a sympathetic funny rating from those who like bad puns. You know who you are...

    -Daniel

  39. OpenNIC by Jama · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The OpenNIC is a user owned, international Network Information Center alternative to the traditional Top-Level Domain registries. OpenNIC was started in reaction to the growing concern about the lack of democratic control within the ICANN. The best thing you can do to help this initiative is to point your root-nameserver(s) and/or your resolving configuration to the OpenNIC nameservers. You'll still be able to resolve all the traditional ICANN TLD's, but you'll also have access to the new TLD's.


    "Scooby Doo is essentially about casting the light of reason
    on corruption cloaked in mysticism" - Scrymarch


    DebianLinux.Net

    1. Re:OpenNIC by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Half-asses. The same people who have "all.your.bases.are.belong.to.us" in the root.cache, even though they have no authority over dot us? I'm not even complaining that it's lame, but rather that they are breaking the old dns to make the new, something that is perfectly avoidable. Besides, who can respect an organization that creates as many (more?) tld's as they have members?

      Pointing resolv.conf to them, gives them control over what you see, period.

  40. Mod this down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Hey mod this down this post is lame. It just sucks. Slashdot sucks. Linux sucks. GCC sucks. Gnome sucks. KDE sucks. Windows is great get XP. Download IE 6.0. Linux is dead. Linux is bankrupt. Linux got no money. Linux got nothin good. Linux sucks ass big time. Slashdot crash constantly. Freebsd is dead. Mac sucks too. Use windows. Windows is the standard. Office is standard. You need office on all workstations. You need Windows 2000 or the XP Pro with IIS for all servers. Microsoft has complete solutions. Linux is half assed. Linux got no Word and no IE. Linux can't browse or document nothin Linux suck ass totally. Corel Linux is deal. Stormix is dead. LinuxPPC is dead. Turbolinux is dead. Linuxcare is dead. Cobalt is dead. Caldera is nearly dead.

  41. Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    1. Re:Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the award for lamest ASCII art of the day goes to ... YOU!

  42. Let me guess... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

    The 3 board seats they are removing, won't be the corporate members, will they? Ha ha.

    Fuck ICANN. The AlterDNS Project beta is going well, and we'll have 3 broadband root servers before we go live. You'll run bind like you should be doing anyway, and we won't take over the entire "." root zone, like orsc or alternic does. As a matter of fact, you'll just as easily be able to add them, should you suddenly be struck dumb and tasteless. And our rules reflect our belief that DNS is a community resource, not a hostage that corporations hold over us.

    Those rules are...

    #1 No corporate registrations. Your trademarks are not recognized here.
    #2 No reselling of domain names.
    #3 No cybersquatting. All domains must be used within 2 weeks of registration
    #4 No bulk registrations.

    On top of that, we've managed to choose aTLDs that are somewhat meaningful, tasteful even. They're free, in every meaning of the word. So really, what's stopping you?

  43. Experience with ICANN @Large by Jett · · Score: 1

    I tried signing up when they first ran the @Large thing. It was a huge hassle and in the end they never sent me the confirmation code so I could complete the process. I tried to use the form on their website to get the confirmation code and it never worked. I gave up after trying a half dozen times and wasting a few hours of my life.
    My opinion of them is that they are an incompetent bunch of fools, and are probably dangerous to the freedom of the internet.

  44. Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Testing slashdot stupidity levels.
    Stupidity needle pegged all the way to the right.
    | SMart STupid |
    | / |
    | / |
    | / |
    | / |
    | |
    --------------

  45. Registered Domain Ownership by SEWilco · · Score: 1

    So, registering i_am_in_icann_34567.net would allow me to join?

  46. Re:You a crazy troll, man. You crazy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot.org should be killed because it ceased to be a hobby site ages ago. It should be Slashdot.com now.

  47. Moderation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Everything is moderated which is why it seems like moderation is slowing down some. I mean it used to be trolls would get slapped down to minus-one in just a matter of a couple of minutes. Now it seems like it takes a long time something like 10 minutes or more before trolls are slapped down.

  48. Mo Money... by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 1
    From the (draft) report
    To further define At-Large membership, the ALSC recommends the following:
    • Each individual who holds a domain name be given the option of becoming an At-Large member and paying a membership fee;
    • Individuals who hold multiple domain names are eligible for one At-Large membership (and one vote in an At-Large election);
    • Entities, such as ISPs, that may conduct batch registrations should be asked to alert the domain name holder of the opportunity to become and At-Large member; and
    • To further focus At-Large membership on individual domain name holders, sub-registrations should be ineligible.

    ICANN already gets several million dollars a year in funding, and now it wants more. This particular tax would be attached to domain registration, raising the price of that even higher. And what do I get for this extra money? Less representation.
    Personally, I'd like to see ICANN actually do something before I give them even more money. The Open Root Server Confederation looks better every day.

    1. Re:Mo Money... by David+E.+Smith · · Score: 2
      You missed the best part (not directly related to money, but still darn funny nonetheless):

      34,035 people voted, which is approximately 1/100ths of a percent of a projected potential electorate, raising questions of whether the election met the popular democratic standards upon which it was based

      They're worried whether ICANN in its current form is adequately representing their constituency (domain owners), and yet simultaneously they're planning to make it even harder to participate.

      I'm a domain owner; I've got three or four of 'em. Domain names are ten bucks a year, so that's not a big deal. Anyone want to take bets on how many zeroes will be at the end of this At-Large membership fee? I've got a quarter that says it'll be more zeroes than I can muster.

  49. Re:You a crazy troll, man. You crazy! by sharkey · · Score: 2

    Unless your browser displays a progress meter comprised of dots while loading a page. If so, /. will give you dozens of dots on every page request!

    --

    --
    "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  50. Only after paying the poll tax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The next step, of course, is a literacy test.

    History being cyclical isn't a problem until it rolls backwards.

  51. Why not stop it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, why can all of us slashdot users just found a new root domain server. Everyone add it to resolv.conf (or what ever your IP setting on Win or Mac). I realize some countries were trying to do this a while back but I never found out what the result was.

  52. You, sir, are full of shit. by Inti · · Score: 4, Informative
    Some of the alternate roots did establish an 'all.your.base.are.belong.to.us' domain as a joke, around the time of the ICANN Melbourne meeting (March?). OpenNIC did not. We discussed the matter, decided we had no authority over the .us TLD, and decided not to do it. You have us confused with another root, apparently.

    We are not breaking the old DNS. We agree completely with ICANN on the importance of the stability of the inclusive namespace. We absolutely will not touch a TLD or domain that is outside of our purview.

    Our root.cache file is here (or here). See for yourself. There are no .us domains in it whatsoever.

    The OpenNIC claims only 5 TLDs. We have over 500 registered members - growing fast - and many more users.

    Finally, pointing resolve.conf at ANYONE gives that party control of what you see. I think the OpenNIC is more worthy of user trust than any other root, including ICANN/VGA. This is because the entire organization is governed by the vote of its members, much like the Debian people. So nobody's cutting deals behind the scenes.

    Get it straight, Cleatus. You're embarassing yourself.

    1. Re:You, sir, are full of shit. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 0

      Well, Soooooorrrrrry!

      5 tld's, that's better than some. I've seen one with about 200 (was this open root server confed?). Oh wait... funny your root.cache shows more than 5 entries. And not one, but 2 porn TLD's!!! How bout that, one wasn't big enough, why not 2? And what's this, an affiliation of some sort with alternic? He couldn't find any more bind exploits to steal control over legit domains again?

      The mainstream TLD's you came up with all suck. I have no idea why the ccTLD's are in there either. If this is your best effort at setting up an alternate root system, we're better off with ICANN. Even ME, the idiot I am, was able to come up with a better way, than "point your resolv.conf at us" or an 80k root.cache. Me, the guy who only really started playing with bind a few months ago.

      Gee, do i want dot null, or a dot oss?

    2. Re:You, sir, are full of shit. by bakunin · · Score: 1

      Yow, man; relax.

      There are lots of different ways of run a root system and many, as you seem to be suggesting, do function by adding new servers in without modifying the ICANN root's base data. We choose to do it a different way, but by no means do we want to tell you what to do on your own servers.

      The "mainstream" and ccTLDs are in the root zone because you pretty much have to have them to function. Any DNS system in which you can't get to google.com or theregister.co.uk isn't very functional. So, those are necessary. And we do peer data with two other root operators (AlterNIC and PacRoot) and no, we don't care about any of these peoples' legal histories any more than we'd care about your in deciding whether to peer your data. And there's only one .porn in the root zone; I have no idea why you'd think there are two. ;-)

      I think it is ORSC who support about 200 and name.space which includes over 500.

      Anyway, by all means drop the OpenNIC a note to let us know what TLDs you're operating and how. We don't think any one body should be in control of the DNS; it needs to be a federation of independent operators. And you can be one of them.

      -robin

  53. Whoops. by Inti · · Score: 2
    The link to the 5 TLDs above is to the OpenNIC domain (www.opennic.glue). I just copied and pasted out of my galeon window. For the rest of the world. the TLD list is here.

  54. Paying for corruption? by Garry+Anderson · · Score: 1

    I believe ICANN are corrupt - they know the solution to trademark and domain name problems.

    The First Amendment is totally ignored and big business abuse their trademarks - to give themselves a dominant position over others with same or similar name.

    Quote from NY Times:

    Sun Makes Claims on Domain Names

    "But among the names on the list are generic terms like "enterprise" and "ultra" -- and for that matter, "sun" -- that could be claimed by other businesses. Indeed, a main reason for introducing new extensions, referred to as top-level domains, is to increase the pool of names available to individuals and businesses and to relieve crowding in the .com domain."

    Please visit WIPO.org.uk for details.

  55. Guarantees An Interest by BSDevil · · Score: 1
    I'm not sure that mandating owning a domain name is such a bad idea. Sure, it may create a small conflict of interest, but on balence in means that ICANN will be only full of people with a vested interest, thus full of people who (have to) care. Making judgements from the outside based on what we (who don't own a domain) see as The Right Thing is one thing, but making a descision where we have somthing at stake is another.

    Think of this as being comprable to voting for your President/Prime Minister/Head of Government; if I wat to have a voice in who the head of the UK government is, I have to be a British citizen (or for some odd reason, a Commonwealth citizen resident in the UK). Think of how screwed up global political systems would be if anyone could vote for any head of government. I interact with the UK (through the world economy and by breathing the same air as they do) in much the same way I interact with the internet - so why is it that anyone (including those who arn't "citizens of the internet" - not owning a domain) can elect people to its highest office? I can't vote for US President, so why should those not invloved be able to vot for mine.

    The long and the short of it is that most people who really care and are informed enough to make a competent descision do already own domains - thus they have a vested interest in making sure the system dosen't go to hell. Much like citizens of a given county have a vested interest in the political stability and competency of their leadership.

    This isn't a flame, and for the record I own a domain.

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    Cue The Sun...
  56. Just out of curiosity... by Inti · · Score: 2
    ...what's your beef with OpenNIC? It sound like you're doing about the same thing, and they've been live for over a year now. Is there a reason you don't want to work with OpenNIC? Not that there's anything wrong with starting a new root, of course, but we do have an established userbase, and it sounds like your politics are compatible.

    1. Re:Just out of curiosity... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 0

      To be honest, I don't want to start another root system. I don't want you to either. I feel forced to do something though. I suppose you do also. This entire situation totally pisses me off, and I tend to lash out. We shouldn't have to do this. I don't expect goverments of any type to work well, but damn, they should at least be tolerable, even mediocre.

      Also, I have concerns about creating new TLD's. Certainly more are needed, but ideally, I think that excluding ccTLD's, there need be no more than 70-80 TLD's. Any more than that, and they all lose meaning. Right now, as bad as ICANN is, often you can guess the TLD that you should end a site with, and if you can't guess, there are only a handful to try. I've already committed myself to not going above 12, and I'd really like to keep it at 8 or 9 aTLD's. (3 are definite, with 2 more probable candidates.) They just shouldn't be created at whim. It's all I can do, to persuade my friends that .warez or .mpz isn't appropriate, or slang of any kind. Or even jokes for that matter. If successful, these things might be used for decades, do we really want to choose retarded TLD's, that once used, can't be gotten rid of?

      Also, apologies are in order. ORSC did the all.your.bases. thing. Sorry.

      One other thing. You should be encouraging everyone to run BIND, and if security is a concern, mirror a copy of the chroot howto on your site. If that's enough to walk a fool like me through the procedure, then most lower primates should be able to do it also. Resolv.conf isn't the answer. Besides, if they are hosting their own domain, like they should be anyway (cable modem blocks on port 80 notwithstanding), they'll need to run it.

      Also, I feel you are missing an opportunity, in not trying to implement dyndns from the ground up. Granted, there are major technical hurdles, but if someone wants a small website somewhere, that gets 5 hits per month, there is no reason they should pay $50 per month for webhosting, especially when most hosting companies are total bungholes. Those who don't want the hassle, they're still free to do that, but some people are low on the fundage side of life, but still want/need control over things. Let's design this so they have the freedom they need too. I can finally afford such myself, but I haven't forgotten what it's like.

      I'm not a total communist. There is a place for money in such things, a large commercial site is an appropriate candidate. But when AT&T suggests that I should pay for a business account for using port 80, is wrong. Similarly, why should I pay for webhosting, if it's just a small dumb site? Geocities, tripod, etc... just another way to keep us all down. I'd really love to see them wither and die.

      Besides, I like the idea of taking money out of the equation entirely. Every time a member signs up at my registry, that will be money sucked straight out of ICANN's wallet. Either directly, or indirectly when those web hosts can't pay icann taxes or bribes.

    2. Re:Just out of curiosity... by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Also, I have concerns about creating new TLD's. Certainly more are needed, but ideally, I think that excluding ccTLD's, there need be no more than 70-80 TLD's. Any more than that, and they all lose meaning.

      There are several alternate TLD organizations. Each has their own list of TLDs. I want to be able to resolve all of them, if A) they don't conflict with each other, B) they don't conflict with ICANN, and C) they don't have technical problems (unreliable servers, config problems, etc.). I don't necessarily want any new ones to be created - there are plenty already - but I do want the existing ones to resolve. It looks like OpenNIC is the only organization attempting to make this happen.

      One other thing. You should be encouraging everyone to run BIND, and if security is a concern, mirror a copy of the chroot howto on your site.

      A TLD organization, be it ICANN or OpenNIC or AlterDNS or whatever, should not be recommending what particular software I use. It is certainly reasonable to expect that only nameservers will directly use the service. However, it's nice of them that they also provide public nameservers, for those lacking the technical competence to run their own nameserver and whose ISP has a differing philosophy regarding alternate TLDs.

      Also, I feel you are missing an opportunity, in not trying to implement dyndns from the ground up.

      I get the distinct impression that you're trying to create a TLD that behaves like a second-level domain. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but be aware that that's what you're trying to do.

      I'm not a total communist. There is a place for money in such things, a large commercial site is an appropriate candidate. But when AT&T suggests that I should pay for a business account for using port 80, is wrong.

      I couldn't agree more, which is why I chose an ISP that allows me to run services on a residential connection.

      Similarly, why should I pay for webhosting, if it's just a small dumb site?

      If you're going to host it yourself, you shouldn't - the ability to do that should be included as part of what you pay for Internet connectivity. If you want someone else to host it, you should not expect it to be free.

      Geocities, tripod, etc... just another way to keep us all down. I'd really love to see them wither and die.

      I have no idea what you're talking about. Last I checked, they offered "free" Web hosting in exchange for plastering ads all over your site. Not something I'm interested in personally, but I strongly support their right to offer that service, provided the user knows what they're getting into and can choose alternatives if they wish.

      Besides, I like the idea of taking money out of the equation entirely.

      It's great that you're willing to volunteer your time and resources. On a large scale, it starts getting expensive.

      Sorry, this post wasn't very well thought out. Just trying to point out problems with yours.

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    3. Re:Just out of curiosity... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 0

      When I said they should be advocating the use of BIND, that should have read "dns daemon of server software". I'm pretty much agnostic to which that happens to be, but there aren't many alternatives. Off the top of my head, I only know of 3, one of which is windows software (M$'s own, which has the taints of WINS).

      What I meant about dyndns was this. The root server itself only points to a dns server authoratative for that domain (or to be more accurate, if I understand, points to a tld server, which points to the authoratative domain server). This is fine, when that domain's dns server has a static IP. The main trouble, is that those without a static IP, are often the same people for whom it's more difficult to afford hosting services, precisely the people I want to help the most. Obviously, as soon as they register and disconnect, that dns record means nothing. Why not allow them to update that record, as long as it doesn't kill the root server? Now, obviously, this becomes way too complicated, if they have both a primary and secondary dns record, but if they are dialup, this level of robustness is most likely wasted anyway. The trick is, a single dns record for them, with decent dynamic updating. The downside, is of course, the possibility that many less talented windows users with Personal Web Server and bind for windows, will be a big security booboo. I'd like to hear suggestions on this though.

      The tripod/geocities thing is this (gee, I do tend to become less articulate as the post grows, don't I?). They are becoming particularly hostile to their own users, who often feel it to be the only free (beer) method of having a small site. It certainly isn't free (speech). Even to a tolerable point (illegal speech is certainly fine to prohibit, and maybe even those clearly obscene or beligerent). Not to mention that at times, they have attempted to lay claim to your intellectual property, while at the same time rabidly enforcing those rights on behalf of corporate america. Not that I believe in IP per se, but I do tend to grant people creative rights to their work, with few exceptions.

      I don't agree with all your conclusions, but I welcome criticism such as this. Especially if you're just warming up to suggestions...

    4. Re:Just out of curiosity... by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      It appears that I spoke out without really understanding what you were saying. Let me see if I understand you:

      If my Web server were on a dynamic IP and I wanted my own .com domain, here's how it would normally work: the root server says .com is handled by the gTLD server. The gTLD server says mysite.com is handled by the nameservers listed on the domain registration, which are operated by a dynamic DNS hosting service I have signed up with. When I get a new IP, I run a script that contacts my DNS hosting service, and they update the DNS information.

      What I first thought you were proposing was, you run the root servers, the aTLD servers, and the DNS servers, and I connect to you with a script when my IP changes. The only difference to me is, I'm using a different TLD (which of course only works for a handful of my friends).

      What I now think you're proposing is, you run the root and aTLD servers, and I run my own DNS server on my dynamic IP. When my IP changes, I update my own zone files, etc. Once I've done that and reloaded, my script contacts your aTLD server, and you now point my domain to my server on the correct IP.

      This is a very interesting idea that I had not considered seriously before. It would only work with aTLDs, because the NSI Registry doesn't update on the fly, which would be required for this proposal.

      Biggest issue I see is that too many people aren't competent enough to run a DNS server, but like your idea, so would do it anyway. The question is, what's the worst thing they can possibly do? If they hose their config, are they just hurting themselves, or do they cause problems for others? If they can potentially cause problems for others, can you set up your system to ensure that doesn't happen? How will you deal with irate users who are upset because your service doesn't work, when in fact it's their own fault?

      Now, assuming all the technical details are worked out and this is in fact a good idea: I have to recommend that you coordinate with the existing aTLD organizations out there, such as OpenNIC or New.net or whoever. Reason: too many groups trying to manage TLDs is a Bad Thing(tm). Your aTLD is useless if you don't have a broad user base, or if you conflict with another aTLD (because you don't know about each other or whatever). You'd still be authoritative for your own TLD (and able to do the dyndns thing), but let someone else manage the root.

      By the way, the way I think aTLDs should be handled is a config file included from named.conf that contains a list of aTLDs and aTLD servers. Everything else should drop back to the official root servers. If all aTLD-related services were to drop offline, or if the data on their servers became corrupt, or whatever, my ability to resolve .com, .uk, etc. should not be affected in the slightest (because the official TLDs should still use the official root servers). This is what would make me the most comfortable as a DNS admin. From your previous post it sounds like you agree. I noticed that new.net offers this as an option; do you know who else does?

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    5. Re:Just out of curiosity... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 0

      The problems with dynamic dns at this level, are several. As you said, only aTLDs can do this, for one. If they hose their own config, it does only hurt them... but there are other issues. Without a secure authentication method, it's possible to temporarily hijack domains. The good thing though, is they can only be stolen until you update them again. Also, with 20 million AOLers dynamically updating their dns server records on the TLD server, not only will you need a fat pipe, but a powerful cpu to keep up with it. TO be honest, I've only started to work out all the issues with this, and I'm hardly a DNS guru, by any standard.

      And yes, I would have you run your own primary dns server for the domain, I see no reason to make it possible for you to host your own domain, only to have to pay someone else to resolve it. I can't over-emphasize the need to lock it down tight, but if you can install and run apache, then a dns daemon isn't that much tougher.

      And on the last point, I agree. In our experiments, my friends and I have added the aTLDs to their named.conf. Each one as type forward, with our two "root/tld" servers as the forwarders, they continue to use the othrodox root for everything but these TLDs. Ideally, one of us will get around to modifying bind so that instead of listing every IP in the forwarder clause, we can simply do "file aTLD.cache;" and be done with it.

      I will check into allying with OpenNIC, but the others I have already ruled out. ORSC sickened me, they already have so many aTLDs, that the whole point of TLDs will be lost. I think they are working toward one tld per domain, forgive the exaggeration.

  57. pettition process for webspace on domains by netmouse · · Score: 1

    Believe it or not, there are plenty of domains that exist but do not have websites! Is there something inherently wrong with this? I think not. I hope nobody thinks so.


    I think so in some cases. It's almost a type of cybersquatting. When there are really obvious names like "america.com" that have had nothing on them, web-wise, for a number of years I'm temped to say the owner should have web rights stripped of them and given to someone else.



    I also wonder what people think of the tendency to register lots of unrelated domain names to pull people into a generic commercial site, sich as how america.org and Top50.com both send you the same site.



    Personally, both these sites (and usa.com {looksmart and infospace content channelled through a different name/site} ) are a pet peeve of mine. I'd like to see or put something up about my own country using the name of the country as a domain that isn't a clone of 500 other portals. At least USA.org is part of the open directory project.


    For a while people really were squatting on these names and auctioning them off. (and yes, there is active auctioning on america.info and usa.info that I'm hoping will either go to someone creative and/or be screwed by the start-up phase away from the registrars that are trying to pump the price and to (randomly selected) registrars with smaller-time non-rich folk using them.)


    perhaps I'm an optimist

  58. Re:You a crazy troll, man. You crazy! by a.tomaka · · Score: 1

    I think your taking his post a little too far. There is a big difference between having either a mispelled current domain to trick users into visiting than to have a site (that is named...slashdot for example) on the domain that doesn't seem to match. Amazon.com is a company name, hence relating the domain to the site..but that is really irrelevant.

    The fact of the matter is someone needs to be watching out for the web users. I certainly wouldn't have enjoyed being in my school district's shoes when a computer teacher told a class to go to the whitehouse site, and about two thirds of the class went to www.whitehouse.com. It musta been really fun trying to explain to those kids parents when they were all pissed that their children saw some pornography.

    People make typo's, make mistakes in choosing the proper .com, .org, .net, etc....and those people don't deserve to be forced to see something offesnive.

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  59. Decreasing Board Members by yasa · · Score: 1

    The decreasing of board members from 9 to 6 members should only be allowed if there is a big election of all at large members who can elect the 6 board members. Otherwise the whole democratic process behind the ICANN system is just a fake! I am realy suspicious about the pseudo democratic elections at at-large. Maybe an alternativ root dns server might help, but I am have not too much convinience in that ( i would realy miss the sience servers (universities etc.) but the rest goes up in my ass!). I wonder what would happen if there is a large (lets say a majority of internet users/providers) which make their own regulations organization. I wonder if these laws would been accepted by countries. I think it wouldn't because the big companies lobbys put too much money in the politicans asses! I think it is time to make some real grass root politics in the context of the internet. At least it was our way to freely communicate.

    Sorry for my bad english

    - Yasa ((Y)et (A)nother (S)tupid (A)lias)

  60. Up yours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the most boring thing I've ever read. Anyone who sits here and quibbles over some bureaucratic bullshit from a bunch of fart collecting government morons needs to get laid, fast, even if you have to pay for it, which you probably do.

    ICANN. Jesus. More like ICANTGETITUP

  61. Scarcity is in the eye of the domain (be)holder by dotmaudot · · Score: 1
    Domain names are primarily valuable currently because they are a scarce resource .

    I don't know what the meaning of "scarce resource" is. Two months ago, I decided I wanted a domain just-for-me, and I got xmau.com . A four-letter name in the most crowded TLD, the first choice I searched for. This for scarceness.

    We may argue whether there is a need for indefinite number of Top Level Domains: my personal opinion is that either there is some body who "owns" TLDs and checks whether the requirer har genuine interest in the field named by the TLD, or we end up having .microsoft , .ibm , .whatever instead of microsoft.com, ibm.com, whatever.com. What an enlargement of the namespace!

    I have serious doubts about the utility of ICANN-At-Large, but I do not believe either that liberalization of TLD is the Graal.

    ciao, .mau.
  62. Re:You a crazy troll, man. You crazy! by mosch · · Score: 2
    see, you're not thinking this problem through.

    You're recommending that an arbitrary group of people be allowed to censor the web at will. Think about this for a minute and see if you really mean that?

    Your domain, for instance, is called whoisandy.com, which does not appear to be a registered TM or SM. Let's say Nickelodean comes up with a new kids show called "Who Is Andy?", which is about the life of a fictional character, Andy. Should you lose your domain, since you don't hold the trademark? You're obviously causing public confusion for purely personal gain.

    For a less contrived example, let's think 'pokey.com'. You know the one where the little kid was nicknamed pokey, but there's also a much more famous, Claymation figure named Pokey? And the "Big Bad Corporation" took it away? What you're saying is that the child had no right to own that name.

    Sure it's inconvenient to hit spelling error related websites, but the consequences of eliminating the problem, especially when you keep in mind that the web is global, is far too dire to even consider.

    If you want to keep the kids from hitting whitehouse.com, buy a proxy that can filter out such requests. They're mighty common these days and very reasonably priced. Don't do it by restricting my rights.

  63. Re:You a crazy troll, man. You crazy! by a.tomaka · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I really don't know how to say what I want to. I do think some sort of ruling on domain names needs to be implemented to keep things working without huge problems but how that can be accomplished is beyond me.

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